Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.
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@flabdablet said in [Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.]
This would be a better world if it contained a really really good programming language called Cunt.
This would be a better world if it contained a really really good programming language.
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Microsoft has faced criticism for changing the pop-up box encouraging Windows users to upgrade to Windows 10.
Clicking the red cross on the right hand corner of the pop-up box now activates the upgrade instead of closing the box.
What a dick move MS!
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@cabrito said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
the update is now labelled "recommended" and many people have their PCs configured to accept recommended updates for security reasons
Well, fuck. Time to change that setting, I guess. But it's probably only a matter of time before they label it "required"...
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@cabrito said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
MS!
In an un-sourced quote in that article:
"Customers can choose to accept or decline the Windows 10 upgrade."
Is that so? something something leading the witness blah blah burp...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
In an un-sourced quote in that article:
"Customers can choose to accept or decline the Windows 10 upgrade."
Is that so?
Technically, when someone fires bullets at you, you can avoid being harmed by dodging them.
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@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Technically, when someone fires bullets at you, you can avoid being harmed by dodging them.
Ah, but then you might get called out for willfully avoiding joining Ascension!
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@cabrito said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Microsoft has faced criticism for changing the pop-up box encouraging Windows users to upgrade to Windows 10.
Clicking the red cross on the right hand corner of the pop-up box now activates the upgrade instead of closing the box.
What a dick move MS!
If I'm not mistaken it is exactly the same as how the update notifications in Windows 10 itself work, so at least it gives a good preview of the upgrade.
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@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Technically, when someone fires bullets at you, you can avoid being harmed by dodging them.
That's the best kind of dodging!
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@flabdablet Or just stop crying about it and upgrade.
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I hope that on August 1st, Microsoft shows one last message that says "Well congratulations, you don't get your free upgrade. Have fun doing it anyway in 3 years AND paying us for it since Windows 7 goes out of support."
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@anonymous234 said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Have fun doing it anyway in 3 years
Or sooner, if the corporate refresh cycle's farther along.
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@FrostCat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@flabdablet Or just stop crying about it and upgrade.
Or leave your perfectly functional (though perhaps a little slow by modern standards) laptop running its existing perfectly satisfactory OS and plan to replace it with a Windows 10+ box when it reaches the end of its useful hardware life in three years or so.
For many, many people, an OS upgrade that doesn't coincide with a computer upgrade is simply not worth the trouble. That doesn't make those people backward or stupid, and it doesn't make their desire to preserve their customary computing environment unreasonable.
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Even Fanboy Paul Thurrott is fed up
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@TimeBandit I've got a couple of customers who have had a 10 upgrade foisted upon them unintentionally and are now unable to find documents, photos etc. that they used to have on their machines. I haven't actually had them over my desk yet, but I'm guessing they just followed the defaults during the upgrade, ended up with shiny new Microsoft accounts and therefore new Windows profiles, and simply don't know where to go looking for their old stuff.
Of course, even if they did know where to go looking there's a good chance that NTFS permissions would stop them being able to see.
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@flabdablet the horror! To think, security would disallow access to files! The horror!
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@Magus These are people who (like at least half of Windows users) are shaky at best on the whole concept of "folders", and yet MS expects them to navigate the subtleties of a security model that suddenly assumes that they're a whole different person?
Uh huh.
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@TimeBandit This guy from Thurrott's comments section has just been schooled to perfection:
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@flabdablet I hope at least someone at MS has been fucked over by that dialogue box. Or they've had to play tech support for their family after someone accidentally enabled the upgrade.
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@flabdablet A friend of mine got tricked. At first, everything seemed to work.
I guess it's normal, the only thing installed on this machine, beside what comes with Windows, is Chrome.Then, 5 days later, no more internet access.
I stopped by to have a look, thinking he did something to it.
Turns out, wireless adapter can't get an IP anymore.
Connected the laptop with an ethernet cable, same problem.Ran the Network troubleshooter, which said "everything is fine". Yeah, thank you fuckin piece of shit.
When I checked the properties on both adapters, where it says "This connection uses the following items", the list was empty. And the "Install..." button was disabled.
Followed all the instructions on this page.
Notice how it is so nice to be using Windows, you always have a GUI, not like those piece-of-shit open-source-garbage OS.
As an example :
And I just love this note at the bottom of the page :
It fails ? Just run the same command again and again until success !
Anyway, after all these magical incantations, guess what ?
Still no network.In the end, I restored the OS. But hey, at least this worked !
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@TimeBandit Also amusing to see Steve Gibson releasing yet another Steve Gibson software title from Gibson Research Corporation, in which Steve Gibson puts a Steve Gibson spin on Steve Gibson re-implementing other people's work in a more Steve Gibson kind of style, with nice big Steve Gibson red and green text by Steve Gibson to draw the user's attention to what Steve Gibson has to say and including an "IMPORTANT NEW v1.3 RELEASE" because Steve Gibson didn't test Steve Gibson's software properly before Steve Gibson's website published Steve Gibson's first version.
Filed under: Steve Gibson
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@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
the Network troubleshooter
HATE!
It's something that's never seemed to do anything useful since the world moved on from dialup…
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@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Ran the Network troubleshooter, which said "everything is fine". Yeah, thank you fuckin piece of shit.
Oddly enough, the Network Troubleshooter is the only Windows troubleshooter, to the best of my recollection, that has ever done anything useful for me.
It's nowhere near as reliable as the "repair this connection" feature in XP used to be, but it does at least occasionally manage to reset a hung-up wireless card.
@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
so nice to be using Windows, you always have a GUI
Heh.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Or leave your perfectly functional (though perhaps a little slow by modern standards) laptop running its existing perfectly satisfactory OS and plan to replace it with a Windows 10+ box when it reaches the end of its useful hardware life in three years or so.
Sure, as long as you're OK with it no longer getting updates when support ends.
I liked 7 at the time, but I prefer 10. At this point, too, I'm so used to the 10 UI that getting on a computer with an older OS feels weird.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Of course, even if they did know where to go looking there's a good chance that NTFS permissions would stop them being able to see.
Fortunately, Explorer will prompt you--even if you're not an administrator--if it sees you trying to view a directory you don't have permissions to, and update the ACL for you. I've used that a bunch.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Steve Gibson
Is Steve still writing everything in 100% assembly language because it's so fast?
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@FrostCat Steve Gibson codes exclusively in the Gibson Research Corporation's own proprietary Steve Gibson computer language that Steve Gibson invented for Steve Gibson to code Steve Gibson programs in, so it's way faster than mere assembly language.
Filed under: Steve Steve Steve Steve Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson
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@FrostCat Also, Peter Norton paid Steve Gibson for the rights to this pose:
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Filed under: Steve Steve Steve Steve Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson
Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Gibson Mushroom MUSHROOM!
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@dkf Fake! It's a fake! Oooooh it's a fake!
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Fake
Can't be. It says Steve Gibson™ all over the place.
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@FrostCat Golly, you're right. How did I miss that?
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@dkf said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
It's something that's never seemed to do anything useful
Not to mention takes whole minutes to even start up the app.
I mean, how long does it take to "Gather information" of the sort necessary to detect "Huh, wifi isn't connected to the network"?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
"Huh, wifi isn't connected to the network"?
It's worst: WiFi and ethernet are not connected, no valid IP on any adapter, can't reach a gateway, no DNS setup, etc.
Yet, it comes out with "Didn't find anything wrong"
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@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Yet, it comes out with "Didn't find anything wrong"
"No information is good information"?
Or, more likely,
It seems you don't have any networking equipment or software. Nothing to do here, move along!
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@Tsaukpaetra You are not connected to any network, which is good since you are more secure that way !
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@dkf said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
It's something that's never seemed to do anything useful since the world moved on from dialup
My favourite thing about the network troubleshooter is how if it can't work it out it tries to search for information on the Internet.
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@Jaloopa said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
My favourite thing about the network troubleshooter is how if it can't work it out it tries to get the user to search for information on the Internet. Or even ask for help from a friend over the internet
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@Jaloopa It also likes to tell you to contact your system administrator. Because every home has someone knowledgeable hanging about to act as one of those…
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@Jaloopa said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
My favourite thing about the network troubleshooter is how if it can't work it out it tries to search for information on the Internet.
Probably because a lot of the time it's brought up is stuff like, "why can't my PC send video to my Xbox One?" and has nothing to do with not having an internet connection.
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@blakeyrat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
nothing to do with not having an internet connection.
It's a network troubleshooter! It should know if there's internet!
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@AyGeePlus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
It's a network troubleshooter! It should know if there's internet!
Network does not necessarily equate to Internet.
However, majority of compute services are crippled without it, so it might as well be a footnote to check anyways
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@AyGeePlus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
It's a network troubleshooter! It should know if there's internet!
At least, it should know if you are connected to ANY network at all.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Network does not necessarily equate to Internet.
Yes, I know. However, when offering you solutions to your network problem(unspecified) perhaps the network troubleshooter should take into account the fact that your network problem might be 'no network'? You know, just a quick check to see if msdn is available before recommending it as a solution. Or a DNS server. Anything, really.
Because when the network problem is 'no network' the recommended step is to open the troubleshooter, which will then recommend you impossible things 100% of the time.
Sure, maybe it's not worth checking for all the other troubleshooters(it is) but for the one program that's always opened in the event of a network outage?
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@AyGeePlus said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
the one program that's always opened in the event of a network outage?
Unfortunately, it seems that that One Program is a generic host, and at the end of a troubleshooting flow it always offers those same options if the flow didn't end positively.
Try it! Run literally any other troubleshooter package, and if you end up at the screen "Troubleshooting couldn't identify the problem", you'll get the same page asking you to go online for help.
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@Adynathos said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
I wanted to make the update from Win8.1 to Win10...
Idiot.
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@Lorne-Kates your funy
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@Jaloopa said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Lorne-Kates your funy
*your're
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@bb36e said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Jaloopa said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Lorne-Kates your funy
*your're
There
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@Jaloopa Reminds me of when I installed an early version of Ubuntu, back when I was on dial-up (not sure where I got the CD from.) I discovered that Ubuntu had drivers for my modem. But you had to go online to get them...