Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.
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@FrostCat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Remove the X
People who upgraded don't have to go through this.
and you know what..... it's really not so bad on the new version.....
all hail the oracle of Redmond.... All hail.... hail....
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@FrostCat I never had this problem. And my OS is much ahead, we're already on version 16.04.
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@powerlord said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
apt / dpkg doesn't remove older kernels
Did you never notice the "run apt-get autoremove to get rid of the old kernels" message that comes up every time you install a new kernel?
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@ben_lubar doesn't sound very auto if you have to type it in yourself
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@ben_lubar I've never seen said message come up. If it does, it's buried in the hundreds of other messages apt tosses to the console during the install process.
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@fbmac said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@powerlord not long ago I had to do some cleanup because my /boot partition couldn't fit more kernels
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@ben_lubar said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Did you never notice the "run apt-get autoremove to get rid of the old kernels" message that comes up every time you install a new kernel?
I've never seen that on Debian or Ubuntu. As far as I'm aware, kernels have long been specifically excluded from the autoremove process by default in both those distros.
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@flabdablet Ubuntu 14.04 for sure (as in “I run a system that does this”) needs old kernels cleaning out from time to time. Typically only something you do when you're sure you're booting stably and won't want to drop back a version.
Keep those /boot partitions clean.
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@fbmac said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
And my OS is much ahead, we're already on version 16.04.
Lemme know when I can play GW2 on Linux.
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@fbmac said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
my OS is much ahead, we're already on version 16.04.
Windows wrapped around at some point after 2000
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@FrostCat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@fbmac said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
And my OS is much ahead, we're already on version 16.04.
Lemme know when I can play GW2 on Linux.
The official Mac client is just an old version of Wine with the Windows version embedded.
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How about an $87,000 internet service bill for auto-downloading Win10 in the African bush?
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@FrostCat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@fbmac said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
And my OS is much ahead, we're already on version 16.04.
Lemme know when I can play GW2 on Linux.
guild wars isn't open source, so it's unethical and doesn't respect your freedoms
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@mott555 said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
How about an $87,000 internet service bill for auto-downloading Win10 in the African bush?
Totally change the definition of "free upgrade"
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@TimeBandit How could they not know about setting their connection to metered‽
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@boomzilla From the article
Microsoft issued a statement to Newsweek that said the Chinko Project had the “choice” to turn off its computers
The safest way to use Windows.
N.B.: I dropped the part right after on purpose.
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@TimeBandit said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
the Chinko Project
The everything is racist thread is
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ben_lubar said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
The official Mac client is just an old version of Wine with the Windows version embedded.
Wine? I don't think so.
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@mott555 said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
How about an $87,000 internet service bill for auto-downloading Win10 in the African bush?
Well, "estimated" bill based on a range of costs.
“If a forced upgrade happened and crashed our PCs while in the middle of coordinating rangers under fire from armed militarized poachers, blood could literally be on [Microsoft’s] hands,”
What are these guys doing, using Skype instead of walkie-talkies or phones?
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@FrostCat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
What are these guys doing, using Skype instead of walkie-talkies or phones?
Presumably come sort of command and control software. Probably displays the situation and the players on a map or something?
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@boomzilla said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Presumably come sort of command and control software.
If I've learned anything from movies such as Tremors 5, it's that there's no such thing in use--it's all done by a bunch of cowboys using sat phones that look like 2004-era flip phones.
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@FrostCat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@mott555 said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
How about an $87,000 internet service bill for auto-downloading Win10 in the African bush?
Well, "estimated" bill based on a range of costs.
“If a forced upgrade happened and crashed our PCs while in the middle of coordinating rangers under fire from armed militarized poachers, blood could literally be on [Microsoft’s] hands,”
What are these guys doing, using Skype instead of walkie-talkies or phones?
At a previous job we used to supply laptops with GPS, mapping, and other coordination software to a local county sheriff for use in their squad cars. Maybe this is something similar.
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@flabdablet said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
I've never seen that on Debian or Ubuntu.
$ sudo apt dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: linux-headers-3.13.0-85 linux-headers-3.13.0-85-generic linux-image-3.13.0-85-generic linux-image-extra-3.13.0-85-generic Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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@ben_lubar said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Did you never notice the "run apt-get autoremove to get rid of the old kernels" message that comes up every time you install a new kernel?
"It's automatic, but you have to type it manually. In a console. Which people assure Blakeyrat you no longer need to use Linux, but they are liars."
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@blakeyrat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
It's automatic, but you have to type it manually. In a console.
Do you walk up to car salesmen and try to argue that automatic transmission isn't a thing that can possibly exist because you still have to drive the car?
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@FrostCat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Lemme know when I can play GW2 on Linux.
Heh, as far as my computer goes, this may be one thing Linux does better than Windows.
At least if it didn't run at all, it wouldn't be taunting me with "super-low, but not low enough to be COMPLETELY unplayable" framerates. At that point, I'd rather have a "doesn't work, fuck you" dialog.
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@blakeyrat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
super-low, but not low enough to be COMPLETELY unplayable
Yeah, that 23 fps you were complaining about really seems a lot worse than the 30 fps you get in TESO. How can you live?
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@ben_lubar said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Yeah, that 23 fps you were complaining about really seems a lot worse than the 30 fps you get in TESO. How can you live?
Like I told you over IM, TESO may not be hugely faster when nothing's on-screen, but it never goes below 30 even with a hundred players all blasting spells.
GW2 starts at like 23 and if even 3-4 people are doing combat, drops to single digits immediately.
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All these people talking about their horrible experience with double-digit framerates.
I'm lucky to get more than 4 FPS when my computer thinks it's anything warmer than "cat sitting on your lap" warm...
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@blakeyrat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Heh, as far as my computer goes, this may be one thing Linux does better than Windows.
I just don't get why it doesn't work for you. As I said previously, for me, it plays cromulently, if on low settings, on an i3-3230m laptop.
I suppose you never tried unplugging a monitor to see if that made it work.
Yes, I know you wouldn't actually play that way. But as I said previously, at least you'd know what the problem is, and could, I dunno, get on Arena.net's forums and yell at them.
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@FrostCat I was going to post a big "help me get Guild Wars 2 running" topic over the weekend but the forum crashed while I was composing it and I didn't.
I refuse to believe the problem could have anything to do with a second monitor. Why would they even have a
fullscreen (windowed)
option if they didn't expressly support that scenario? How would they develop the game without multiple monitors?
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@mott555 said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
squad cars
We are talking about the African bush, so it's more like Land Rovers and probably sat phones, if that.
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@ben_lubar said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Do you walk up to car salesmen and try to argue that automatic transmission isn't a thing that can possibly exist because you still have to drive the car?
Since the car seamlessly transitions between all forward gears, your counterexample isn't quite apposite.
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@cheong said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Windows 7 also had the ability to recover specifically from graphics card driver failures (as well as certain other driver failures), but obviously something else is clearly going on, we've just moved the goal posts....
I don't know. After Win10 is installed, his problem automagically goes away.
Just in case if anyone is interested to know, my brother's PC which has mysterious reboot problem right before the upgrade, installed Win10 for a month and not a single "unexpected reboot" occurred during the period. Maybe it's really driver problem. (Most driver bugs cannot bring down the system on Win10)
I recommands anyone who have similar "mysterious reboot problem" try to upgrade to Win10 and see if things got fixed.
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@cheong said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
not a single "unexpected reboot" occurred
That's because with Win10 you always expect a reboot at any time.
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@ben_lubar said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@blakeyrat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
It's automatic, but you have to type it manually. In a console.
Do you walk up to car salesmen and try to argue that automatic transmission isn't a thing that can possibly exist because you still have to drive the car?
That's a very bad analogy. A more apt one would be to complain that you have to shift every time you want to go from drive to reverse.
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@Zecc Datapoint: I've got a Win10 system at home and that gets shut down every night. Because the motherboard driver designers thought that flashing the (bright blue) power light when sleeping was a great idea.
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@NedFodder said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
i've fixed so many status LEDs with that stuff. it's awesome
in some other more extreme cases i've ripped off the case and replaced the blue LEDs with a red LED and an apropriately sized resistor.
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@Tsaukpaetra You spoiled brats with your fancy monitors and frames per second. I have to print every frame on a dot matrix printer! I get one still frame per two minutes!
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@NedFodder or you can just disconnect that single led from the motherboard?
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@blek said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
You spoiled brats with your fancy monitors and frames per second. I have to print every frame on a dot matrix printer! I get one still frame per two minutes!
My 5th grade class pretty much hated me because we had a dot matrix 📠 in the room, and I'd print stuff on it often (because writing by ✋ is hard). Much fun when I upgraded the computer from 3.11 to 95 so I could properly connect to the Netware server...
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@dkf said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
@Zecc Datapoint: I've got a Win10 system at home and that gets shut down every night. Because the motherboard driver designers thought that flashing the (bright blue) power light when sleeping was a great idea.
You mean my nightlight? That's not a bug, it's a feature!
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@blakeyrat said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Heh, as far as my computer goes, this may be one thing Linux does better than Windows.
Who are you, and what have you done to blakey?
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I just slide my laptop under the bed. The bed skirt mostly blocks the sleeping comp blinkenlight, and as a bonus I'm less likely to step on it or knock it over.
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@error said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
You mean my nightlight?
Technically it'd be my nightlight unless you're sleeping on top of my wardrobe, which would be a bit creepy…
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@blek said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
I have to print every frame on a dot matrix printer! I get one still frame per two minutes!
Upgrade to a proper drum printer. They might have a bit lower resolution, but they'll spit that frame out at astounding speed.
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@dkf TIL. Cool tech, for its time.
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@anotherusername Your typical 600lpm drum printer looks a bit meh when stacked up against one of these:
http://www.thecomputerarchive.com/thearchive/Printers/High Volume/DataProducts BP-1500-2000 Band Printers.PDF
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@flabdablet kinda puts the LP0 ON FIRE message into perspective, that.