Apple's full of shit



  • I don't even like open source, but the thing I hate more than open source it's

    #FUCKING LIARS!

    At worst, that's the world's most blatant lie. At best, it demonstrates the kind of ignorance of computer technology you'd expect from, say, a Napoleonic Wars grenadier. And it's on their "developers" page!



  • "major computer company"

    "key part"

    "significant quantities"

    There's so many qualifiers and vague terms there, it might as well be true.



  • IBM Linux Commercial: The Kid – 01:34
    — NOSMax

    There's no way you could interpret that in a way that excludes IBM.

    And of course there's a BILLION other counter-examples if you slightly widen the definition of "major computer company".



  • Actually maybe it works if you bend time, and say that Apple made open source a "key part of its software strategy" back when OS X was brand-new in 2001, but then consider Apple a "major computer company" using their performance in the 2010-present timeline.

    Because they sure as fuck weren't a "major computer company" back when they adopted NeXT. (Which, BTW, is also not the same thing as making open source a "key part of their software strategy-- they got it as a SIDE-EFFECT of acquiring NeXT-- nobody at Apple gave a shit that NeXT was using open source code.) They probably could have been stomped by RedHat at that point; they'd been surviving on nothing but goodwill for like 4 years.


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    You don't say...



  • What is "48-bit power"?


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    @LB_ said:

    What is "48-bit power"?

    I don't know, but it has nothing on Atari Jaguar!

    Atari Jaguar Commercial – 00:31
    — RetroGamerNet



  • The only major corporate contributors to OSS are Red Hat and Google, IMO. I would hardly consider Apple to be one.

    Microsoft seems to be doing a bit of contribution to OSS, too, but not enough (yet)...



  • With an ad campaign like that, I can't imagine how Atari only sold 3 of those.

    I imagine a board room, the Atari CEO is looking at a chart on the wall: "sales figures". The Genesis line is straight up, green ink. The Atari line is red and flat. The CEO is muttering to himself, "but how can this be? 64 is more than 32!"


  • area_deu

    Not to forget, Sun Microsystems when they were still around.



  • I've had a keyboard like that on my Surface for years.



  • Well, Apple created the Apple II, so we think it's fair to think on them like a major computer company back then in 2001.



  • They're just jumping on the "cool" train and twisting the narrative for their fanboys who belive everything apple says. Revisionist history FTW!

    Not like their hipster fanbase knows any better anyways.



  • "WE WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO THINK OF THIS" has been Apple's tagline on absolutely everything they have ever done.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    64 is more than 32!"

    Remember, 6 is greater than 1!





  • My opinion is that this thread title would be funnier without the apostrophe.



  • @Buddy said:

    My opinion is that this thread title would be funnier without the apostrophe.

    I read it the same way I read "Sid Meier's Civilization".



  • See what I mean? A civilization of Sid Meiers would be way funny.



  • So according to that page, Apple invented Unix, Webkit, LLVM, make, and also "bringing multicore technology and 48-bit power to the mass market", which could only possibly have happened because of Apple and not because of any of the mainstream Windows or Linux computers that already ran on x86 before Apple decided to jump on the bandwagon.



  • I recently read a review of the new Lumias, including how they have a fancy new feature called 'living images', as seen on the iPhone.


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    @ben_lubar said:

    "WE WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO THINK OF THIS" has been Apple's tagline on absolutely everything they have ever done.

    They just claim to have thought of it first, with the condition that they sat on it for a decade or four.


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  • Apple changed one of the pages that that crazy arrogant bragging:

    https://twitter.com/dotMorten/status/673609299789086720

    However, it's still on the "open source" page on the main (non-developer) site.

    Maybe I'm wrong. If the open source community can make Apple be slightly less asshole-ish, maybe they can accomplish anything.


  • Dupa

    @uncreative said:

    Not like their hipster fanbase knows any better anyways.

    Heh, guess that disqualifies me… :confused:

    Soooo:

    APPLE HAS INVENTED IT AND EVERYTHING AND IS THE FOREFRONT OF INVENTION I ALWAYS BUY APPLE THE DAY IT'S RELEASED BECAUSE IT IS TEH BEST OMGOMGOMG APPLE [orgasm]

    Did I do well?



  • @kt_ said:

    Did I do well?

    Sounds about right for the Fanboyiest fanboys of fApple fanboy fandom
    .
    filed under Alliteration rulz



  • I will never understand why Apple wants to claim to have invented everything. That's like saying "send all your customerscrazy people to us, we'll helpdeal with them for you." Umm, thanks, but you're only shooting yourself in the foot...



  • @LB_ said:

    I will never understand why Apple wants to claim to have invented everything. That's like saying "send all your customerscrazy people to us, we'll helpdeal with them for you." Umm, thanks, but you're only shooting yourself in the foot...

    Anti-competition. You might remember that Apple invented "thin rectangular cuboids with rounded corners"...at least, that's what it said in the patent they sued Samsung over. Won, too.

    So being "first to invent everything" is how you keep competitors out.



  • very opensourcey of them



  • @ben_lubar said:

    "WE WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO THINK OF THIS" has been Apple's tagline on absolutely everything they have ever done.

    What's really ironic is that they stole that line of bullshit from IBM.



  • As opposed to Sid Meier being the living embodiment of the abstract concept of "civilization"?



  • Sid Meier's Discourse



  • Now, now, there's no need to insult him like that.



  • Apple, the first and only major computer company

    FTFT

    Geez, I was an Apple fan in the 1990s.



  • I learnt how to from Sid Meier's Diss Course



  • I was too. And it was a lot easier to give Apple the benefit of the doubt when they actually had a superior product. Now, though, I find this disgusting.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said:

    6 is greater than 1

    Reminds me of a poster I have from the 90's which features the BSD Daemon and a caption that reads only "4.3. > 5.4".

    I liked that ad campaign, even though it's pure preaching to the choir.



  • @ben_lubar said:

    "WE WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO THINK OF THIS" has been Apple's tagline on absolutely everything they have ever done.

    Funny, but it's often that those who think of it before Apple produce something that looks like it was knocked together from wooden sticks and glued with shit. When Apple thinks of it, it usually produces something usable and not disgusting to have a hand on. There are exceptions, of course, of varying notability degree.



  • @uncreative said:

    filed under Alliteration rulz Alliterations are awesome

    FTFY


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    @wft said:

    Funny, but it's often that those who think of it before Apple produce something that looks like it was knocked together from wooden sticks and glued with shit. When Apple thinks of it, it usually produces something usable and not disgusting to have a hand on.

    Apple are good at design, true. But the things they actually think of, rather than waiting until they're mature and making is sound like they thought of it, are worse than their normal stuff by a long chalk



  • @Jaloopa said:

    Apple are good at design, true.

    They USED to be good at usability and terrible at design. Now all they do is design, and fuck usability.

    I'd rather have the old ugly Apple back.



  • @wft said:

    it usually produces something usable and not disgusting

    Usable - for some definition of the word, yes. Actually, in many cases, quite usable indeed. (Edit: some of the things I like about Apple)

    Not disgusting - that's a matter of taste and nothing else.

    @wft said:

    those who think of it before Apple produce something that looks like it was knocked together from wooden sticks and glued with shit

    Would be interesting to count how often this is the difference between a hobbyist and a billion dollars global player.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    good at usability and terrible at design

    Was that during the period where Steve Jobs wasn't with them? He seems to have been mainly a design and marketing guy, I can see him ignoring the usability side to make things look pretty and be easy to sell



  • @Jaloopa said:

    Was that during the period where Steve Jobs wasn't with them?

    And much of the time he WAS. Steve Jobs changed during the time he was away, much more than Apple did.

    Apparently spending a few years running movie special effects gives you that "make it flashy, who cares if it works" attitude.

    @Jaloopa said:

    He seems to have been mainly a design and marketing guy, I can see him ignoring the usability side to make things look pretty and be easy to sell

    Marketing yes, design? I don't know. Maybe? Every OS was ugly in the 80s and 90s, but even by those standards people considered Mac OS the ugliest of the ugly. Apple certainly had attention to detail, but I would not say they had a good design sense.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Apple certainly had attention to detail, but I would not say they had a good design sense.

    I can judge by the fact that I don't feel the urge to CUSTOMIZE ALL THE THINGS! on a Mac. An urge I feel when using any other platform. I guess "just works" is design.

    My other OS of choice is Linux, and while there's nothing I can do on OS X I can't do on Linux (the reverse is not true), I prefer OS X precisely for the lack of need to tweak it.



  • @wft said:

    My other OS of choice is Linux, and while there's nothing I can do on OS X I can't do on Linux (the reverse is not true), I prefer OS X precisely for the lack of need to tweak it.

    I run Windows as my main OS because all my games run on it. If all my games were ported to Linux, I would have exactly 0 programs I couldn't use without Wine.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Apple ... actually had a superior product.

    Is Mac Classic like the Betamax of computers?



  • I like Apple as a company and have far too many of their products, but that's just obviously not right. Not even in the context of Apple-speak verbiage (beautiful, magical, reinvent, crisp, etc).



  • @blakeyrat said:

    They USED to be good at usability and terrible at design. Now all they do is design, and fuck usability.

    I'd rather have the old ugly Apple back.

    http://m.fastcompany.com/3053406/how-apple-is-giving-design-a-bad-name



  • The classic Mac OS was certainly not a superior product.

    Its memory management was rather interesting, for example. In case you haven't used it: Every executable file had a user-configurable setting in its file attributes, determining the size of the ram slice to allocate. The program could not start with less free memory (even if it wouldn't need it) and could not take more memory (even if it would be available).

    For example:

    In this screenshot, there is still more than 100 mb of free memory, but still you wouldn't be able to open another 5mb picture in ImageJ, because it has almost run out of its memory slice. Solution: shut down the program, increase its ram slice and restart it. But making the memory slice too big would prevent other programs for being started at the same time.

    Moreover, when using swap, the page file needed to duplicate the size of the available physical memory. So, in the picture above, the swap file of 257mb effectively gives you just 1mb of extra virtual memory compared to the 256mb of the physical memory.

    Oh, and Mac OS also didn't support preemptive multitasking.

    So, actually, I'd say that even Windows 3.1 was better than any release of the classical Mac OS.


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