Chrome's window control fuckery
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I remember when I called up my IT guy and asked if the office was getting upgraded to Shit Ignoring What Users Actually Wanted, strangely he was confused by that
Because he was infested with the Microsoft Brainworms, and can't hear words except for "EVERYTHING IS A TABLET".
What, uh, what site do you download that on?
MyLittleDipshitCunt-QueefandSparklestheme.com
Obviously.
scrollbar
What's a scrollbar?
I do like having tabs up on the title bar, it's a much more practical use of the space.
Not to be insulting or start a flame war-- but you are literally the dumbest grandfatherfucker that ever existed, and everything you know and like is so wrong you should be murdered for lowering your nation's IQ by a statistically significant factor.
Tabs are related to the pages your viewing, and should be attached to those pages. They are the first UI you hit moving up from the screen. They shouldn't be above the dev tools, address bar, menu bar, in the middle of some nebulous "upthere land" in the middle of the screen.
One of the worst decisions of modern UI, and I will gladly respond to anyone who provides aid and comfort to this enemy by removing them from the genepool so they don't accidentally pass on this crippling brain mutation.
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I didn't know 8.1 counted, since it was a free upgrade from 8.0
By that same logic, Windows 10 doesn't count either.
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I do like having tabs up on the title bar, it's a much more practical use of the space.
Maybe if windows had a standard way to do that.
Some Linux window managers can group whichever windows you want in tabs. Add that to the list of things it can do that Windows can't.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
They shouldn't be above the dev tools, address bar, menu bar, in the middle of some nebulous "upthere land" in the middle of the screen.
Depends.
Are those tools context sensitive?
Does the context switch with the tab?
Then, yes, tabs are the highest context in the application. And therefore everything should exist in the individual tab's context, which puts the tabs at the top.
If say, the address bar remained the same as you switched tabs, then yes, address bar should be above tabs.
If say, the address bar contents changed as you switched tabs, then no, address bar should be below tabs.
Same goes for dev tools.
If those switched context depending on the tab. Like the dev tools reattached to the active tab, same thing.
The only thing you have a point for, is non context sensitive menus, like file, and options.
That's why we have what's called....
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a context menu.At which point, I'd like to note that the main menu having context sensitive items while the context menu is available is the abuse, not the other way around.
Maybe you're a mac user, and you prefer the application menu being divorced from the window???
I will agree that they should have never removed the option to choose where the tabs go.
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One of the reasons I prefer this sort of layout:
In my view, vertical space is a premium, so I shove the task bar to one side. Also, when I am in dual screen mode (side by side) it is not far away and the entire second screen can be used.
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I find it highly amusing that MS would put the button to "Start" things right in the place of the button that would normally "Close" things when the taskbar is on the right-side.
Then again, if they shifted everything down and allowed the Maximised window to have the control buttons there instead it would be even more ...
Filed under: Would be easier to do graphic design at this point...
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The clicking the wrong thing on the wrong window I have done a million times, especially when you are looking for a popup or modal (?) that does not come into view when you focus on the parent. So I have developed a fixed attitude of "every window has it's own task bar button". Of course these days things are easier with the aero view thingy fucker and the like, but old good habits die hard.
ps. On slow machines, I also do the "no frills, W95 look" interface
Additional Edit: One of the best browser enhancements was the NOT resizing of tabs when closing. So you can just click, click, click etc. Until you get it wrong.
I absolutely hate web interface that you have to reposition the mouse every time you click next etc, or those that load stuff and buttons, you reposition the mouse over the button, then the page resizes something and it all fucking jumps. /rant
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I'll admit, I'm a little confused about your reply. Is this the correct thread?
FWIW (Related to your post), I also never have Group Like Applications turned on. Excel hates it, but it's easier to track things.the NOT resizing of tabs when closing
I always thought I was just doing it wrong when they kept creeping around. I just got really good at counting my rapid-clicks...
Filed under: INB4: Someone blithers about Keyboard Hotkeys
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Is this the correct thread
I think so, but now I am confused, because I have no idea what window I'm typing this in.
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LINUX MASTER RACE!
Too bad it looks like shit with the system title-bar.
Also, if you're minimizing windows one by one by clicking the minimize button, something is wrong with your workflow.
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22px by my measurements on this theme. Also, I only have one panel which is... 24px, I think? That's probably less or close to the start/task/whatever_the_proper_name_is bar on Windows, combined.
If I were that bothered I'd install Unity / extension that moves the buttons and menus to the panel. But I'm not.
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On Windows 8.
Uses system theme AND doesn't have useless titlebar to eat up vertical screen space.
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That's nice. Now get that shit off my lawn. It's new and I don't like it!
Nah, seriously, I'm fine with that on Linux actually. I do find it a bit annoying on Windows because it's so damned hard to move the window if you have many tabs without the Alt-drag functionality.
Speaking of, did they add something like that in 10?
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Uses system theme AND doesn't have useless titlebar to eat up vertical screen space.
Same on OSX. The extra few pixels are the height of the stupid user-switching button which is taller than the tab for some reason.
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Yeah, because it's so hard to emulate the system theme on OSX and Windows, what with all those thousands of them you can download and apply!
Wait...
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I do find it a bit annoying on Windows because it's so damned hard to move the window if you have many tabs without the Alt-drag functionality.
Damn, this is a problem nobody ever in the history of windows users has ever fixed... oh wait
Filed Under: And no, they didn't add this to windows 10
Also Filed Under: For any other fooling around with windows on Windows there is always Preme for Windows
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Damn, this is a problem nobody ever in the history of windows users has ever fixed... oh wait
I use this on every Windows machine because it's so much fucking nicer you can use Alt to drag and resize windows without needing to find a special draggable 2 pixel area or if your window is off-screen it's easy to drag it back. Yes you can use the "Move" option from taskbar but meh I don't use Alt for anything else anyway with the mouse.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
One of the worst decisions of modern UI, and I will gladly respond to anyone who provides aid and comfort to this enemy by removing them from the genepool so they don't accidentally pass on this crippling brain mutation.
What? You gonna throw bullets?
I don't mind having the tabs up there. They take the place of a "normal" title bar, in the sense of being a title for what you're looking at. The only annoyance is that it reduces the amount of screen real estate for dragging the window. But since I use KDE, I'm just an ALT from making any part of the window able to drag it around.
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Are those tools context sensitive?
Does the context switch with the tab?
No and no. That would be stupid.
which puts the tabs at the top
Never. Look at the post you're reading. Now move your eyes up until you can see the tab you're on.
Is the first thing you hit after leaving the viewport the tabs? If yes, good. If no, your UI gone done failed.
Additional Edit: One of the best browser enhancements was the NOT resizing of tabs when closing. So you can just click, click, click etc. Until you get it wrong.
+ (that is the first autocomplete result when trying for :infinity:)
What? You gonna throw bullets?
Yes. Really, REALLY hard. I may need a running start. I could jump at the exact moment I throw for additional force. Maybe get one of those movie-stunt launching ramps. Add some explosives there too for a flash and a bang.
I literally cannot see any better way of explosively propelling a bullet.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I literally cannot see any better way of explosively propelling a bullet.
You already asked to borrow a hammer to pound the bullets.
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You already asked to borrow a hammer to pound the bullets.
For self inflicted bullets. How do you propose you pound a bullet into someone ELSE? They have this habit of screaming, running away and fighting back. (Or, as we Canadians do, politely ask you to stop murdering them, please)
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@Lorne_Kates said:
How do you propose you pound a bullet into someone ELSE?
The firing pin of a gun, of course. But you've already ruled out sane options like that. Which shouldn't surprise anyone. You're a known and admitted Firefox user, after all.
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The trick is to place the bullet on the ground, facing up, then get the person to fall on it.
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And KDE let you choose the size of the title bar
You can even set options for a specific windows
So now you have Chrome without a title bar.
The keyword here is : Options
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So now you have Chrome without a title bar.
I don't use the system title bar, so I doubt that would work and I'm not motivated enough to try any of that in any case.
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Yes, Chrome can pretty much do that already, but you can apply the same thing to any program.
Maybe someday Windows willcopyinnovate that feature, like they did with virtual desktops.
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So you can choose your degree in ugliness?
As opposed to relying on MS's ugliness judgment? Definitely.
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So you can choose your degree in ugliness?
I didn't find a KDE theme that looks like Win8 yet, so NO
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Well hell, the window I have maximized right now? I don't want that one. I want a different one. I suppose I COULD hunt through the task bar to find the right one, but the task bar is allll the way down there, and my cursor is alllll the way up here. And besides, it was one of the last few windows I used. I'll just start minimizing until I find the right one.
tl;dr - you tried to do something stupid and it didn't work.
Fascinating.
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Chrome on linux does follow title bar configuration to a degree - at least under gnome the setting which title bar buttons you want is followed, although the switch profile icon is always on the right-hand side.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
No and no. That would be stupid.
You mean the debugging tools and inspection tools stay attached to the tab you opened them on, stay visible as you swap tabs, and point to information that's no longer visible?
Hmm.... seems broken.
@Lorne_Kates said:
Is the first thing you hit after leaving the viewport the tabs? If yes, good. If no, your UI gone done failed.
It's broken because it's broken....
Ok, then. I'll just have to take the wise Lorne's word for it.
@Lorne_Kates said:
Is the first thing you hit after leaving the viewport the tabs?
The first thing I hit is the bookmark bar.
That's arguably in the wrong place since it's not a part of the tab context.
Then the address bar. It's displaying the current tab's address. There's a good reason it's below the tabs.
If the address bar was above the tabs and switched addresses as I switched tabs, that would break good UI behavior.
If information is pertaining to the tab, it should be within the tab. That's just good context based UI.
To the right of the address bar is the menu and extension buttons.
The menu and some of the extension buttons should be on the same row as the tabs, preferably on the left, where menus usually are. My "tamper monkey" equivalent doesn't belong inside the tab context, because hitting it opens a window that alters global settings.
But one of my extensions is IE tab, and that takes the address from the address bar and replaces the tab context with an IE content context. It makes sense to put IE tab extension below the tabs.
But I mean, if all you're going to come at me with is
"You're wrong because you're wrong"
Then I'm going to move on.
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I'll just have to take the wise Lorne's word for it.
Now you're learning. (ps: Discourse)
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WINDOWS 7. TWO FULL VERSIONS BEHIND THE CURRENT OS RELEASE.
Three versions behind. Unless you don't think 8.1 was a full version ahead of 8. (I'm prepared to debate that point, briefly.) And 10-7=3. ;)I like Windows 10. It boots a chunk faster than 7 did on the same machine. (And for ... reasons ... that machine has acquired an old HP DeskJet 1280 A3 printer since the update, and it is still faster.)
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Three versions behind.
@Lorne_Kates said:
You can't even get this right. Three full releases
CONTENT ID! DMCA! COPYRIGHT CLAIM! FUCK YOU GIVE ME MONIES!
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@Lorne_Kates said:
CONTENT ID! DMCA! COPYRIGHT CLAIM! FUCK YOU GIVE ME MONIES!
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Tell me what a mony is, and I'll consider it.
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Tell me what a mony is, and I'll consider it.
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Yeah, I figured you'd drag that up. Shrug. Looks like you found all the monies you could need all by yourself.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I like the better performance
If you actually get better performance with themes off, then you should throw out that 2004-era POS you're using.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
I like the better performance
If you actually get better performance with themes off, then you should throw out that 2004-era POS you're using.
Either it's a placebo, or the fact that I'm more productive with a UI that behaves and responds as I expect. In either case, I get better performance.
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Maybe it's just me, but I never use the close button on windows. I always accidentally do something I don't want. These days I go File -> Exit/Close
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What when there isn't a File menu?
I always use the Close button on Windows. Mostly on purpose.
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Alt - F4
Haha. That'll only partially close our program! (keeps running in the background) If you really want to close it, you have to use ctrl+Q (or file->close). Raisins.
Edit: And since the close button == alt+F4, that also only partially closes us.
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@loopback0 said:
What when there isn't a File menu?
Alt - F4
I'm afraid to press ALT-F4. Early versions of Windows, if no window was focused, would capture ALT-F4, interpret it as "Logoff / Shutdown" and shut down without any further prompts.