Guy "buys" google.com for $12
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I'm not telepathic.
One of these days, Blakey is going to get bitten by a telepathic spider, and gain telepathy. And then on that day, literally NONE of this posts will be true anymore.
Blakey, why is future you such a filthy fucking liar?
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Telepathy != time travel.
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Telepathy != time travel.
Oh, so now you know what secondary mutant powers you'll get from that spider? What are you, TELEPATHIC?
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This post is deleted!
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Of all the endearing lovely bugs in Discourse, being notified of deleted posts is probably my least favorite.
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That case is actually NOT bullshit. It turns out, McDonalds had been purposely turning up their coffee warmers to around 190 degrees, which even their own research found would cause third degree burns in about 12 seconds. The reason? They thought people would drive a long distance before drinking their coffee, because absolutely nobody tries to drink coffee right away.
Also keeping coffee at that temperature for long periods of time would definitely make it shittier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants
or do bugs get a certain degree of leeway
It's my understanding that you are held responsible for bugs, at least for serious things like where HIPPA and similar are concerneda little sarky
ehh...
Isaac Newton
You are severely underselling his accomplishments and I significantly resent that. Isaac Newton was an active scientist and did innovative experiments to understand the universe as best he could.
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It turns out, McDonalds had been purposely turning up their coffee warmers to around 190 degrees, which even their own research found would cause third degree burns in about 12 seconds.
Also, they'd already been explicitly warned that it would cause injury. Maybe even by a previous court case. Courts really hate being ignored or mocked; that's when the penalties start to ramp up massively.
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That case is actually NOT bullshit. It turns out, McDonalds had been purposely turning up their coffee warmers to around 190 degrees, which even their own research found would cause third degree burns in about 12 seconds.
Bullshit. At 190 degrees, it would instantly evaporate. I believe there could be severe burns in this case, but not to the client.The reason? They thought people would drive a long distance before drinking their coffee, because absolutely nobody tries to drink coffee right away.
Fun fact: no one I know does it.BTW the burns weren't due to drinking, but spilling it.
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At 190 degrees, it would instantly evaporate.
20,000ft upside Everest, maybe. At sea level however…
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IMO, google doesn't own the domain, they own rights to the domain.
If all the DNS go down, can google setup their own DNS without contention? Just to point their domain to their IP?
Google doesn't own the house, they own the rights to use the house.
Just like I really don't own the land my house is on.
I own the rights to the land.
Because I still pay taxes on it and eminent domain says the government can take my land and give me money for it.
However, I own my vacuum cleaner. No one can take it, no one makes it operable externally. I don't have to return it to the store if I fail to pay for it next year.
Therefore, google technically sold the rights temporarily, but the registrar wasn't notified.
Just like I sold my car but haven't transferred the title yet.
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Always assume all measurements are in the appropriate SI unit unless explicitly indicated otherwise. Degrees implies Celsius. (Kelvin doesn't get prefixed with degrees, and 190 Kelvin doesn't require heating).
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I always assume the preferred units of the speaker.
However, it would be nice to enforce "Numbers make no sense unless the unit is formally declared".
It's the speakers responsibility to ensure communication succeeded, however, just like in defensive driving course. The universe doesn't respect fault in a wreck, it just lets bad stuff happen, to whoever it happens to.
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They thought people would drive a long distance before drinking their coffee, because absolutely nobody tries to drink coffee right away.
Let's not forget they'd already paid medical bills for a number of other people who'd been burned on their coffee. I never heard a good reason why this case, they decided to fight.
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Bullshit. At 190 degrees, it would instantly evaporate. I believe there could be severe burns in this case, but not to the client.
Stella Liebeck spilled coffee all over, IIRC, sweatpants. That holds the near-boiling liquid right against your skin.
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Also this particular family only sued for medical costs. Seriously.
The court added the punitive damages of its own accord.
The Stella case is probably the most misrepresented court case in history.
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190 F (87 C)...
I know. I just love this joke.IMO, google doesn't own the domain, they own rights to the domain.
Always assume all measurements are in the appropriate SI unit unless explicitly indicated otherwise. Degrees implies Celsius.
Celsius aren't SI.I always assume the preferred units of the speaker.
I always assume the opposite for comedic effect.Stella Liebeck spilled coffee all over, IIRC, sweatpants. That holds the near-boiling liquid right against your skin.
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You see, services are hard to relate ownership, like concrete objects.
Whatever form that buying the domain takes, there is a system in place to map that domain to an IP, and as such, the product you are buying is the service, and not a thing.
This creates nuances that make very small unnoticeable distinctions that play out in scenarios like these, such as direct owner to buyer sell of the domain.
In essence the person temporarily owned the domain.
But in practical terms they didn't, because the registered owner didn't change to knowledge of the entity providing the domain to ip mapping.
So while, it's pedantry to talk about whether Google owns the domain in any terms.
It's not pedantry in this case.
OTOH, it's splitting hairs, and the practical result was that the person never made use of the domain, making the discussion a wash.
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@PleegWat said:
Always assume all measurements are in the appropriate SI unit unless explicitly indicated otherwise. Degrees implies Celsius.
Celsius aren't SI.
Ah, it all makes sense. I'm sure you could indeed get some serious injuries from spilling coffee at 190K on yourself.
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Me too.
Actually they've set the domain to be non-transferable (from whois: Status: clientTransferProhibited), even if the domain sale service goes wrong, there will never be "official ownership transfer" occuring.
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Whatever form that buying the domain takes, there is a system in place to map that domain to an IP, and as such, the product you are buying is the service, and not a thing.
I'd say that owning a domain is different from both wares and services. I'd say it's more akin to owning a patent, but again not quite.Fucking error 500.
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Actually they've set the domain to be non-transferable (from whois: Status: clientTransferProhibited), even if the domain sale service goes wrong, there will never be "official ownership transfer" occuring.
The real transfer of ownership would be a legal thing; if a court decides it was sold, it really was sold and the technical and bureaucratic systems will give way (eventually).
Though in this case I'd guess the court wouldn't decide that. ;)
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Fun fact: no one I know does it.
Mcdonald's own research showed them people are just as likely to try to drink it straight away.Nevertheless, I do want to concede that the majority of places that serve coffee still serve it roughly the same temperature, and the majority of cases like this do get thrown out of court. The coffee lobbies push for better packaging, which is a great way to prevent injury from scalding coffee
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Mcdonald's own research showed them people are just as likely to try to drink it straight away.
In how big sips? From my observations, it's less than 1ml at once. Coffee isn't vodka shot, you don't drink it all instantly.
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My point exactly.
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How big sips? Well, the best way to find this out, would be to source some almost boiling liquid, and attempt to drink it in busy traffic. Good luck
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Good luck in proving my point above? Sure, thanks?
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I mean I don't really care if you "prove" your point or not, but I'd get a small giggle out of you burning your mouth with scalding liquid
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I could google but.....
Care to elaborate? I was under the understanding that they are related in that one causes the other
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I was under the understanding that they are related in that one causes the other
It's like the difference between boiling and char-grilling.
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Ahh pedantry... Alright then:
I mean I don't really care if you "prove" your point or not, but I'd get a small giggle out of you
burningCausing unspecified physical damage to the cells inyour mouth withscalding liquidA substance whose thermal energy is likely to cause said unspecified damage
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Care to elaborate?
No.OK.
Burning is when you use solid or gaseous methods, scalding is when you use liquids.
pedantry
Yeah, that
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Burning is when you use solid or gaseous methods, scalding is when you use liquids.
When you use burning oil, you've got an edge case.
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Burning is when you use solid or gaseous methods
I thought it could also refer to the damage caused
pedantry
Oh no! I learned today! Curse you people!
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Burning is when you use solid or gaseous methods, scalding is when you use liquids.
Steam engine boiler explosion.
WHICH IS IT.
As I watch the train man there on the ground, writhing in agony as his flesh melts away, I need to know exactly what word to give the 911 operator.
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As I watch the train man there on the ground, writhing in agony as his flesh melts away, I need to know exactly what word to give the 911 operator.
'Dead' would seem to be the best word to use
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YOU RUINED MY PUNCHLINE YOU ASS. I had that all planned out too.
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@mrguyorama said:
Mcdonald's own research showed them people are just as likely to try to drink it straight away.
In how big sips? From my observations, it's less than 1ml at once. Coffee isn't vodka shot, you don't drink it all instantly.You can talk about tiny sips, but when the cup is known to be particularly flimsy and prone to collapsing and dumping its contents all over...
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If the cup just broke apart and dumped all its content, then it's definitely the seller's fault - and the client should receive compensation for all damage, but it's regardless of whether the liquid inside is at boiling point, freezing point, 0K, the Sun's surface temperature, or anything else. But if the client simply knocked over the cup, then it's his fault (or just a simple random event with no one to blame - but that's exactly what health insurance is for).
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The cups were known to collapse easily under normal usage conditions. Specifically, the lid provided necessary structural integrity, but had to be removed in order to add cream or sugar.
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Specifically, the lid provided necessary structural integrity, but had to be removed in order to add cream or sugar
Pretty much any paper cup is a massive danger when you take the lid off. They have next to no structural integrity on their own. Does Mcdonalds not put cream and sugar before giving you the coffee?
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Does Mcdonalds not put cream and sugar before giving you the coffee?
I think it's normally left up to the buyer; they know what they want, after all
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Yes but at Tim Hortons for example, you simply tell them when you order and your preferred combination is premixed by the time you get it
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I'm guessing Tim Hortons is a bit pricier than MaccyDs
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I would say the price difference is negligible but at the sales volume of fast coffee, I don't think even a couple of cents is negligible
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I'm guessing Tim Hortons is a bit pricier than MaccyDs
It's a hell of a lot more Canadian.
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@RaceProUK said:
Burning is when you use solid or gaseous methods, scalding is when you use liquids.
When you use burning oil, you've got an edge case.
Steam is a gas but causes scalding. I believe this is what @blakeyrat was hinting at.
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On a remotely related note, there was an unconfirmed story (I heard it second or third handed, so have no way to verify whether it did happened. Just treat it as rumors) that goes like this:
There was a IT folk got fired. On the day he left the company, he changed the company's DNS record to point the company's domain to some other IP address.
On the next day, they were told that the company's website get 404 as response. However when they try to open the website in their company, it appears the website to be up-and-running. Everyone tried hard and they don't know what happened. (Noone appear to aware the domain name is the problem. The web server's domain name / IP address is added to the coperate domain's DNS so when doing "nslookup" inside the company, everything appears normal.
It takes about one week for the company to hire replacement IT support, who suggested to modify the machine's DNS to point to 8.8.8.8, and then they immediately be able to spot the problem. However the company's website already got the "down time" of about a week.