:wtf: How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread)
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@mott555 They aren't recommending that setup for anyone, I think they created this hosting option for companies that require stupidly high SLAs from the context, and are dogfooding it on meta.
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@sockpuppet7 That makes a little more sense then. Seemed to me they were just discussing the normal operating costs of Meta.discourse.
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@loopback0 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@sockpuppet7 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
$1000/month just to host Meta?!
His Jeffness wrote:
Note that meta is deployed as “super enterprisey” in our testing so it is somewhat … overprovisioned.
Ya think? Maybe just a little.
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@sockpuppet7 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
They also said it could be running in a 80$ ocean droplet of not for the monitoring and redundancy.
$80 for operation and $920 for monitoring and redundancy. That $920 could get you 11 identical instances in other data centers, with $40 left over for the fail-over between them. Yeah, I suppose the fail-over setup might cost more than $40, but that's still a heck of a lot of redundancy. Does a frickin' forum really need 99.999% availability?
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@sockpuppet7 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@mott555 They aren't recommending that setup for anyone, I think they created this hosting option for companies that require stupidly high SLAs from the context, and are dogfooding it on meta.
True, but why would anyone ever need that kind of SLA for a discussion forum? Unless you're stupidly abusing your forum for a purpose it's not designed nor suitable for, like a bug tracker, but who would ever be that stupid?
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I think the craziest thing to me was that, if I'm reading Jeff's image post correctly, when they completed the initial migration to AWS, they were paying THREE thousand dollars a month, and they've only just now gotten it down to ONE thousand over six months of work!
I guess the VC money must be starting to run out...
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
His Jeffness wrote:
Note that meta is deployed as “super enterprisey” in our testing so it is somewhat … overprovisioned.
Ya think? Maybe just a little.
Excessively overpriced but probably no better fits the term "enterprisey" quite well.
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@djls45 I'm sorry but:
- Only Launchpad called him that
- He said "double-D" not "DD"
- Why the fuck was Disney riffing on the Batman cartoon like they didn't have anything better to do
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@blakeyrat Goddamnit.
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@sockpuppet7 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@mott555 They aren't recommending that setup for anyone, I think they created this hosting option for companies that require stupidly high SLAs from the context, and are dogfooding it on meta.
True, but why would anyone ever need that kind of SLA for a discussion forum? Unless you're stupidly abusing your forum for a purpose it's not designed nor suitable for, like a bug tracker, but who would ever be that stupid?
In their last posts they explained that most of this cost will be shared by other forums they put there
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@sockpuppet7 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Found this in a comment:
Their product is completely free and open source, so there's nothing stopping you from running their software on a DO droplet, a colocated server or a Raspberry Pi attached to your home router.
Hahahaha. Raspberry Pi. Yeah, you can do that if no one ever uses your instance. Ever. Maybe.
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@loopback0 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Don't forget that it already had pagination for when Javascript was disabled.
Oh, yes. I did forget that, because I never tried to use it with JS disabled.
It's really for Google et.al.
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@boomzilla I know; that's (one reason) why I never tried to use it.
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@hardwaregeek yeah, it's really peak
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@doctorjones said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Jeff seems to take bug reports as personal attacks, and cannot separate his ego and self worth from his software
@pie_flavor said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
He couldn't take the constant actual abuse.
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
We will never add a paginated interface to Discurse
Which was extra funny, because if you disable javascript, DuckSauce is a paged forum.
<noscript>
</noscript>
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Does a frickin' forum really need 99.999% availability?
Of course it does! If it goes down, how else will people be able to file bug reports, submit timesheets, run payroll, co-ordinate shipping & receiving, print street-level flyers, and run the security camera array at HQ?
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@sockpuppet7 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@mott555 They aren't recommending that setup for anyone, I think they created this hosting option for companies that require stupidly high SLAs from the context, and are dogfooding it on meta.
True, but why would anyone ever need that kind of SLA for a discussion forum? Unless you're stupidly abusing your forum for a purpose it's not designed nor suitable for, like a bug tracker, but who would ever be that stupid?
Bug trackers don't need that level of SLA either.
OTOH, the argument that they're doing it to test how things work for those enterprisey customers who are willing to pay for it, well, that's actually sane. (The customers are crazy, but selling them what they want isn't, and neither is testing it before claiming to be meeting that SLA.)
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@boomzilla said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
there's nothing stopping you from running their software on
Other than lack of support because if you go to
the bug trackermeta.d and mention you're not running it on one of the officially supported platforms, you're SOL.I mean, yes, you'll get a similar reply from many commercial vendors as well, but I find it interesting how they are tooting the open source and community angle so hard only to show people the door when they try to fiddle with it. You know, pretty much the main reason some people prefer open source stuff?
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@onyx you'll probably get a hostile response from Jeff for your trouble too. I've seen him get snippy with plenty of people because they've done something slightly different with their Discourse install. He'd probably flip his shit if someone ran into a problem running it on a raspberry pi.
: Hi, I'm having this strange problem with Discourse, it shits itself whenever anyone tries to post anything. I'm running the latest version, on a Raspberry Pi.
: If you're having problems running it on a Raspberry Pi, then DON'T RUN IT ON A RASPBERRY PI!
: Hi guys, I've also got this problem, but not on a Raspberry Pi. My forum is installed using the officially sanctioned methods.
: Look, I've already addressed this bug report, DON'T RUN IT ON A RASPBERRY PI.
: But I'm not using a Raspberr...
: This topic is now closed
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
True, but why would anyone ever need that kind of SLA for a discussion forum? Unless you're stupidly abusing your forum for a purpose it's not designed nor suitable for, like a bug tracker, but who would ever be that stupid?
The bug tracker brainworm thing still totally baffles me. I love how they are still totally oblivious to the WTFery of it all, and the amount of bug reports that Jeff has deleted. Good luck finding those regressions, boys!
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@doctorjones said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
The bug tracker brainworm thing still totally baffles me.
Clearly, the worm ate their brains.
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@doctorjones said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Good luck finding those regressions, boys!
We know they don't test for them anyway, so...
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@dkf said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Bug trackers don't need that level of SLA either.
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@hardwaregeek I'd like to take a moment to reiterate my demand for a "Banned From SO Forever For No Discernible Reason" badge. Yes, to you personally.
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@doctorjones said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
The bug tracker brainworm thing still totally baffles me. I love how they are still totally oblivious to the WTFery of it all, and the amount of bug reports that Jeff has deleted. Good luck finding those regressions, boys!
I still have the "Senior Tester" for logging 20 bugs on Meta that got liked by the DiscoCrew. I'm banned until 2043
At a quick glance I think there are 4 users with that badge from here, 3 are banned.
49 of the 20 bug s have been awarded.
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@doctorjones said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Good luck finding those regressions, boys!
Don't worry, those regressions will be PLENTY easy to find.
...
oh, you meant by someone other than the end user. My mistake.
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@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Does a frickin' forum really need 99.999% availability?
To be fair, meta.d is THE public-facing instance, so it would be pretty bad for business if it went down. I bet if someone posted a screenshot of meta.d shitting itself here it would get a couple dozen upvotes.
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@bb36e said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
I bet if someone posted a screenshot of meta.d shitting itself here it would get a couple dozen upvotes.
I am willing to upvote even the suggestion of it shitting itself.
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@bb36e said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@hardwaregeek said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Does a frickin' forum really need 99.999% availability?
To be fair, meta.d is THE public-facing instance, so it would be pretty bad for business if it went down. I bet if someone posted a screenshot of meta.d shitting itself here it would get a couple dozen upvotes.
I'm sure someone here has an unpatched denial-of-service lying around.
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@pleegwat said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
I'm sure someone here has an unpatched denial-of-service lying around.
But please, no.
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@pleegwat said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
I'm sure someone here has an unpatched denial-of-service lying around.
Back in our Discourse days, that was called a "web browser".
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@bb36e said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
To be fair, meta.d is THE public-facing instance, so it would be pretty bad for business if it went down.
Bad for CDCK's business? I'm not really seeing a lot of downside.
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@izzion said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Maybe over 500. I was quite active there but then, the admin went rouge and started to impose a lot of censorship and is constantly dishonoring the request to remove my account.
Once you go rouge you never go...euge?
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@doctorjones said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@sockpuppet7 Every forum has its own ground rules, and Jeff even joined in with the trolling over here.
His problems really started when he started abusing his admin privileges by moderating despite
1) saying he wouldn't to start with
b) got told to stop doing it when he started
ß) carried on doing it anyway.There's a reason his name is a verb on here.
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@coldandtired said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@izzion said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
Maybe over 500. I was quite active there but then, the admin went rouge and started to impose a lot of censorship and is constantly dishonoring the request to remove my account.
Once you go rouge you never go...euge?
Methinks this would be a good use case for GDPR.
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@pjh The first time someone disobeys an unwritten rule, must've been an accident, just fix it silently.
The second time someone disobeys an unwritten rule, must've been another accident, just fix it silently again.
The third time someone disobeys an unwritten rule, clearly they will never learn. Ban them.
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@pleegwat said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
The third time someone disobeys an unwritten rule, clearly they will never learn. Ban them.
He had more than three chances. Background for those who haven't seen it yet.
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@coldandtired said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
dishonoring the request to remove my account.
May I interest you in a Discobot? The legends are true, they do exist.
Set it to:
- Reply to every post with the word "fart"
- Start a new thread that is just 500 links to YouTube and let DumbBox take down people's browsers
- Create a 32,000 word post that is spelled entirely with DiscoLetters. Melt down that CDN!
- Change your password to the text of the Guttenberg library
- Create a thread. Then it replies to the first post, quoting it. Then it posts two replies to the first post, quoting the quotes. Then four replies with full nested quotes, then eight, etc. Exponential nested quotes surely will break something.
PMstart a hidden thread with ever user, sending them the word "fart" once a second.- roll through the entire forum, and LIKE every post. Once it hits then end, roll through and remove the LIKE. Then repeat. Remember that each click of the LIKE button generates 15MB of bandwidth and requires a small server farm to process.
I think they may remove your account eventually.
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@loopback0 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
I'm banned until 2043
Pffft. Lightweight.
Get on my level, bruv.
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@onyx said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@loopback0 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
I'm banned until 2043
Pffft. Lightweight.
Get on my level, bruv.
Only until April? Lightweight.
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@pjh BUT WAIT!
I'm actually banned for 57 minutes longer!
Wait.
It... shows different times on the error dialog than in profile?
WHAT THE... Oh, no, wait, that's expected.
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@onyx said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
It... shows different times on the error dialog than in profile?
Off to Meta to report another...
Oh. Wait.
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@pjh BST is UTC+1, yes? I'm UTC+2 currently.
I'm betting
we got bannedour bans got prolonged right about midnight UTC.Also, with 57 minutes of difference, a question arises: did someone do it manually, or did a script take an hour to finish?
I don't know which option is more sad, actually.
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@onyx
I mean, judging by the spottiness with which accounts got bannzor'd, and the Disconsistency of the reason messages, it was almost certainly done manually.
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@pjh said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@onyx said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
@loopback0 said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
I'm banned until 2043
Pffft. Lightweight.
Get on my level, bruv.
Only until April? Lightweight.
You're not an unperson?
I like the irony of the "member" trust level.
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@boomzilla said in How can this be so wrong??? (AKA the Discopocalypse thread):
You're not an unperson?
I like the irony of the "member" trust level.
Only by proxy.
Filed under: boomzila_alt21958287
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@boomzilla I once got a 0-second ban from a forum