Shutting down Windows is hard
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See, with Linux I am aware that most things are small seperate programs that just pass params along.
For Windows... some events must happen for me to realize that.So here I am, trying to shut down my PC. A pretty common task on a pretty common PC.
What I didn't realize is that one of my programs had unsaved files. Thats fine. Windows tells me "Hey, there are programs still open: Proceed / Cancel"
So I cancel, save my work and try to shut down again.
Only - and here comes that bit from the start into play - the startmenu is a seperate program on Windows 10 it seems. Because I can't open my startmenu anymore.
So, what I assume happened is that Windows tried to shut down all programs. But instead of doing the sensible thing and shutting it's own programs down after all user-opened programs are gone it just pretty much took the noobs way to shut down.
Thank you Windows....Filed Under: Yes, I managed to shut it down via Ctrl+Alt+Entf. You don't need to help me. I just want to vent a bit!
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Win+R shutdown /p Enter
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I've had the same thing many times after waking from sleep across a number of Windows 10 devices. I hope Microsoft actually makes an effort to fix a lot of these killer UI bugs in upcoming patches rather than just introducing another raft of features that don't work.
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You mispelled "format c:"
Filed Under: Not fixing that for you, though!
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Only - and here comes that bit from the start into play - the startmenu is a seperate program on Windows 10 it seems. Because I can't open my startmenu anymore.
Huh?
So once you cancel a shutdown, you can no longer use the start menu? That is the bug?
So, what I assume happened is that Windows tried to shut down all programs. But instead of doing the sensible thing and shutting it's own programs down after all user-opened programs are gone it just pretty much took the noobs way to shut down.
I don't even know what this means. Are you implying that Windows shut down Explorer.exe before anything else?
But if it had, you'd have no start menu button at all, since Explorer.exe (at least in previous versions of Windows-- maybe it's changed?) draws that. If you kill Explorer.exe, you also kill the entire task bar.
So... I have no idea what's going on with your computer. But it's probably due to some third-party crap you have installed.
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So... I have no idea what's going on with your computer. But it's probably due to some third-party crap you have installed.
Or it could just be another shell regression. I've found 2. (SHBrowseForFolder and SetCurrentProcessExplicitAppUserModelID)
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So once you cancel a shutdown, you can no longer use the start menu?
Thats how I interpret things, yeah.... I might be wrong. It just happened to me and I needed a place to complain! And apparently this here is a good placeAre you implying that Windows shut down Explorer.exe before anything else?
I know it used to be explorer.exe. I don't know if it still is with all the animated cells and stuff... I also wouldn't say "before anything else" but "not as the last thing to shut down" which would make sense to me.But it's probably due to some third-party crap you have installed.
I mean, I can't deny that. But that PC has very little things actually installed. It has Steam, Firefox, a few games on steam and OBS and stuff to stream said games...of those only steam and the OBS-stuff was open... (at least on purpose... I mean there could be virii and the likes... I dunno). None of those should actually alter explorer.exe too much (besides maybe adding things to context menu?)Filed Under: Unrelated: Why did you change your avatar? It is so dark and monochrome that I have trouble identifying you!
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It doesn't happen on my computer, therefore it doesn't exist.
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None of those should actually alter explorer.exe too much (besides maybe adding things to context menu?)
You do realize that that's the source of like 95% of Explorer.exe problems.
You should read Raymond Chen's blog, he's constantly talking about badly-behaved Explorer plug-ins, and pretty much all context menu additions are those. (Unless it's just adding a new verb to a file type, it's a plug-in.)
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I was aware. I actually read his blog for a while...
But reading it and experiencing it first hand are two different things. Especially since I didn't mess with explorer.exe (at least not on purpose) and as far as I can tell, neither are the programs installed.
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You should read Raymond Chen's blog, he's constantly talking about badly-behaved Explorer plug-ins, and pretty much all context menu additions are those.
I thought they're simple registry entries? At least the one I made is just a simple registry entry.
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It doesn't happen on my computer, therefore it doesn't exist.
Now I'm tempted to pirate a copy of Windows 8, redeem my free Windows 10, install it on Virtualbox and check it out myself.
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IIRC if you want any kind of "smart" functionality (like, "this menu item applies only to .zip files" or "this menu should only show up in a folder that's inside a subversion repo"), you basically need to make a full-on plug-in.
I have not written one myself, so maybe I'm off-base or my information is out-of-date.
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SVN repos, probably. But ZIP files you can do with just registry - just put a new key under
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOOT/.zip/shell
and you're done. I did this for directories, not files, but the concept is the same.
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No, the cancelled shutdown killed Cortana or something Cortana relies on, meaning the start menu "app" failed to launch.
Of course, the easy way to solve this problem is to use the power button or Alt+Ctrl+Del
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Of course, the easy way to solve this problem is to
use the power button or Alt+Ctrl+Delyank the fucking cord out of the wallFTFY
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Tried that with my work laptop. Took over 4 hours to shut down.
Bad solution.
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Dunk it in the sink. Problem solved. Another problem caused, but one solved.
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Is that what they mean when they say to do a 'clean install'?
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I always assumed so, what else could they mean? @cartman82 could stand to give him desktop a good scrubbing.
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bb36e@home~ $ cd kitchen/sink && make clean
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Did you try clicking "Shutdown" on the Start Charm?
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some third-party crap
Ah yes, the legendary third party. The one where they rolled up all the UX design documents to snort cocaine through.
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pirate a copy of Windows 8, redeem my free Windows 10
Please, please reassure me that doing this does not result in a fully functional Windows 10 product key.
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Ah yes, the legendary third party. The one where they rolled up all the UX design documents to snort cocaine through.
Occasionally you can be pretty funny, for a Communist SJW Aussie.
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Technically no, but maybe?
Depends on method of activation. If using KMS, you're expected to keep the KMS activation upon upgrade.
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Oh, actually no. I remember a shutdown button being there now that you mention it, though. Next time this happens, I will give it a shot, just to see if thats also locked up!
Filed Under: Windows was probably trying to teach me to using that :D
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Oh, actually no. I remember a shutdown button being there now that you mention it, though. Next time this happens, I will give it a shot, just to see if thats also locked up!
Filed Under: Windows was probably trying to teach me to using that :D
Charms don't exist in 10...
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Unless @Lorne_Kates actually means the right-click start menu power user thing... Which actually might work depending on what it's tied into...
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It has been repurposed into the notification bar. And AFAIR there is a shutdown button located there.
If Explorer.Exe crashes, this will probably also die. If the problem is Cortana, this might actually work.Filed under : at least I understood him this way
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Nope.
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Have you looked under "All settings"?
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So once you cancel a shutdown, you can no longer use the start menu? That is the bug?
You're not even trying anymore, are you?
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You were correct, good sir!
Have you looked under "All settings"?
That is just the new "Control Panel". No immediate shutdown button in sight there!Filed Under: But if you always keep a windows update lying around, you can probably restart using that! #GoodIdeas,IAmLackingThem!
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No immediate shutdown button in sight there!
one wonders if good old D+ALTF4 works in this situation....
@sloosecannon, what say you there?
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So... I have no idea what's going on with your computer. But it's probably due to some third-party crap you have installed.
Of course, every Windows problem is always caused by third-party apps and/or plugins.
If an Explorer plugin, using MS's designed interface can screw up Explorer, it's not MS's fault for badly designing that said interface.
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I just installed Windows 10 in a VM.
Shortly after, it just stopped working. Applications wouldn't open, the start menu wouldn't open. I had to reboot.
Dafuq.
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it's obviously due to some third-party crap you have installed
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Mine did the same on a laptop. After 3-4 reboots it's fine.
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After 3-4 reboots it's fine.
Windows : if you reboot and the problem is not fixed, you have a REAL problem
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That is pretty much what every bluescreen before 7 (I think) explicitely told you!
Filed Under: Should the problem persist. You can try these steps but they don't really fix things!
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That is pretty much what every bluescreen before 7 (I think) explicitely told you!
They then made a huge improvement in 7 : trap the fatal error and reboot the machine automagically !No more bluescreen. Except once rebooted, you have a nice little message box saying a bluescreen occurred.
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That is pretty much what every bluescreen before 7 (I think) explicitely told you!
From 8 onward they just tell you "sorry :( thing went wrong :( pls forgive :("
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I actually don't mind the Windows 8+ :( unsmiley faces that much. It's nowhere near as bad as sassy-ass Firefox telling me constantly how embarrassed and sorry it is for crashing and running slow.
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Unless @Lorne_Kates actually means the right-click start menu power user thing... Which actually might work depending on what it's tied into...
No, @Lorne_Kates was being a sarcastic fucknut pointing out how macktruck-fartedly retarded Microsoft UI is.
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