In other news today...
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A teacher accidentally fired a pistol inside a California classroom while lecturing about public safety and injured three students, according to police...Shortly after the incident, class resumed as usual.
The teen’s father, Fermin Gonzales, said he rushed his son to the hospital after the 17-year-old returned from school with blood on his shirt and a neck injury.
“He’s shaken up, but he’s going to be OK,” Gonzales told KSBW. “I’m just pretty upset that no one told us anything and we had to call the police ourselves to report it.”
...Alexander also serves as a reserve officer for Sand City police and is a Seaside city councilman...
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@bb36e said in In other news today...:
A teacher accidentally fired a pistol inside a California classroom while lecturing about public safety and injured three students
That's a lesson they won't forget
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@bb36e said in In other news today...:
A teacher accidentally fired a pistol inside a California classroom while lecturing about public safety and injured three students, according to police...Shortly after the incident, class resumed as usual.
The teen’s father, Fermin Gonzales, said he rushed his son to the hospital after the 17-year-old returned from school with blood on his shirt and a neck injury.
“He’s shaken up, but he’s going to be OK,” Gonzales told KSBW. “I’m just pretty upset that no one told us anything and we had to call the police ourselves to report it.”
...Alexander also serves as a reserve officer for Sand City police and is a Seaside city councilman...
You bolded the wrong part (for me at least). I'll refrain from anything political here...
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@timebandit He can have the cell next to Martha Stewart.
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@bb36e said in In other news today...:
A teacher accidentally fired a pistol inside a California classroom while lecturing about public safety and injured three students, according to police...Shortly after the incident, class resumed as usual.
The teen’s father, Fermin Gonzales, said he rushed his son to the hospital after the 17-year-old returned from school with blood on his shirt and a neck injury.
“He’s shaken up, but he’s going to be OK,” Gonzales told KSBW. “I’m just pretty upset that no one told us anything and we had to call the police ourselves to report it.”
...Alexander also serves as a reserve officer for Sand City police and is a Seaside city councilman...
Three in one shot? Nice.
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Did anyone that has an iPhone see Apple's news app notification for Stephen Hawking's Death?
It had this in the first line:
Stephen hawking who transcended his own physical limitations.
I obviously heard the news earlier on and saw it in the new app later on.
Maybe I've been reading too much of the new Vader comic but it made him sound like he turned into some sort of "
JediScience Force Ghost"
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@bb36e said in In other news today...:
A teacher accidentally fired a pistol inside a California classroom while lecturing about public safety and injured three students, according to police...Shortly after the incident, class resumed as usual.
The teen’s father, Fermin Gonzales, said he rushed his son to the hospital after the 17-year-old returned from school with blood on his shirt and a neck injury.
“He’s shaken up, but he’s going to be OK,” Gonzales told KSBW. “I’m just pretty upset that no one told us anything and we had to call the police ourselves to report it.”
...Alexander also serves as a reserve officer for Sand City police and is a Seaside city councilman...
Three in one shot? Nice.
TIL you can get scattershot pistols
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@boner said in In other news today...:
Well... Someone did not secure the cargo sufficiently, going by that big hole in the aft.
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@carnage They are fortunate to be alive. If the cargo didn't break a hole in the rear door, they would quite likely end up like the guys from National Airlines in Bagram in 2013.
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@bulb said in In other news today...:
@carnage They are fortunate to be alive. If the cargo didn't break a hole in the rear door, they would quite likely end up like the guys from National Airlines in Bagram in 2013.
Yeah...
As a side note... If as a worker you'd like to steal a few gold bars, botching the loading in this way seems like a pretty good way to hide that a few bars went missing during the loading. For varying definitions of good...
Not that I actually think there is anyhing more to it than a bunch of drunk russians.
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@bulb said in In other news today...:
@carnage They are fortunate to be alive. If the cargo didn't break a hole in the rear door, they would quite likely end up like the guys from
National Airlines in BagramGermanwings 4U 9525 in 20135.MTFY
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@carnage said in In other news today...:
Yeah...
As a side note... If as a worker you'd like to steal a few gold bars, botching the loading in this way seems like a pretty good way to hide that a few bars went missing during the loading. For varying definitions of good..."Technical engineers at the Yakutsk airport who prepared the plane for takeoff have been detained."
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@boner said in In other news today...:
The cargo was reported to be owned by Chukota Mining and Geological company; 75 per cent of the private company is owner by Canadian Kinross Gold.
I'm sure they will apologize
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I am against registries of all sorts, for exactly this sort of reason:
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@carnage said in In other news today...:
@boner said in In other news today...:
Well... Someone did not secure the cargo sufficiently, going by that big hole in the aft.
Sounds like it's going to be a gigantic pain in the aft to clean up.
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@masonwheeler They buried the lede, unsurprisingly:
Alexander also serves as a reserve officer for Sand City police and is a Seaside city councilman.
I guess Cop accidentally fires gun in classroom doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Emergency personnel respond to the scene of a deadly bridge collapse in Miami on Thursday, March 15. The bridge was installed Saturday at Florida International University.
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@timebandit wow. Just ... wow.
I doubt they are going to find any survivors in those vehicles.
This tweet didn't age well...
That was a really long, flat, heavy, unsupported bridge for it to be made out of concrete. If they put a shitton of structural steel in the deck, it might have been alright, but obviously they didn't. Even if the deck did have a shitton of steel in it, I would think it should've had more bow to it. The concrete probably started to fracture underneath from all the shear stress and down it came.
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FIU is about building bridges and student safety. This project accomplishes our mission beautifully
I don't think so
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Found some concept art on the Facebook page for MCM, construction company involved...
The original photo has been taken down. Screenshot:
Looks like the final plan was to have suspension support from the center column, but that hadn't been added yet. Presumably they thought that it could adequately support its own weight until they got around to adding those...
edit: the section that fell down was actually half the bridge. The other half was going to go across the river.
Pretty unfortunate decision to start with the side that went over the street...
edit: people have determined from the plans that the "cables" are actually cosmetic and are non-load-bearing, so it should've stood without them.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Presumably they thought that it could adequately support its own weight until they got around to adding those...
It must be just for decoration
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
edit: the section that fell down was actually half the bridge. The other half was going to go across the river.
Pretty unfortunate decision to start with the side that went over the highway...
Ah, now those angled "truss-like" parts make sense - they were supposed to have cables attached to them...
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@anotherusername This reminds me of a large bridge around here which was similarly moved into place over the highway with a huge transport. Apart from having an arc construction that was already in place, it had been standing on its endpoints for months before they put it in place.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Looks like the final plan was to have suspension support from the center column, but that hadn't been added yet.
From the installation tweet, it looks like they didn't even have the bottom half of the column installed. So the bridge was spanning the entire road with no support.
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@dcon No, the bottom section of the center column was installed -- it's the column supporting one end of the span that collapsed. The span that collapsed was only half of the bridge.
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Reports indicate that they were stress testing the bridge, maybe the upper level anchors (where the suspension cables were to attach, I guess?), by crane when the collapse occurred.
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@anotherusername I don't know much at all about bridges or engineering so I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems a bit weird that they'd do that with traffic passing underneath. What exactly did they intend to happen in the event that it failed the test?
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@carrievs No clue. The fact that such a long span was set up with no supports except on the two ends is, frankly, hard for me to comprehend.
It does appear to me that the stress test involved using a crane to pull upward on the anchors on the top, so they probably thought that it was fine. However, any sort of mechanical failure -- if the hook or cable snapped or came loose -- the shock from suddenly releasing the bridge would've rippled all the way through it. I don't know if that's what happened, but they definitely should've taken it into consideration.
Electrical and computer engineering, so bridges are not really my cuppa, but we were still given the horror stories about collapses due to structural failures. The investigation on this one is going to be interesting.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@dcon No, the bottom section of the center column was installed -- it's the column supporting one end of the span that collapsed. The span that collapsed was only half of the bridge.
Ah, got it. From the "completed" image, it looked like cars on the far side, so it looked (vaguely) like there was going to be a pillar between the lanes of traffic.
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@carrievs said in In other news today...:
it seems a bit weird that they'd do that with traffic passing underneath
I wouldn't say weird. I would say completely fucking mental, with a side of negligent homicide.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Reports indicate that they were stress testing the bridge
It's possible that's a misunderstanding on the span being stressed rather than a stress-test. I've just read that the construction was supposed to be post-tensioned concrete, so this is the time they'd be doing that tensioning once it was on the supports.
/Not a MechE either.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Electrical and computer engineering, so bridges are not really my cuppa, but we were still given the horror stories about collapses due to structural failures. The investigation on this one is going to be interesting.
But don't we need extra
resourcesstruts andsecurity checkscranes?Who cares about
securitysafety with such a prestigious project? It's anMVPself-supporting span, ship it!
Filed under: Any resemblance to typical software management is coincidental
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@cursorkeys said in In other news today...:
I've just read that the construction was supposed to be post-tensioned concrete, so this is the time they'd be doing that tensioning once it was on the supports.
I doubt that. It would be significantly weaker before it had the tensile steel added and tightened. That puts the concrete under compression; concrete is extremely weak by comparison when it's under tensile or shear force. It would be absolutely mental to support it just from the ends like that when it's designed to be supported by suspension cables from above and doesn't even have full structural strength yet.
I'm fairly certain that they would've tensioned it while it was on the ground and supported from more than just the two ends. They may have needed to check or tighten it after it was in place, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't put it up without that already in place and reasonably tight. Plus, they were using a crane... I'm not sure they would've needed that if they were tensioning it.
Putting more of an arch in would also help keep the concrete more under compression and less under shear or tension, but it occurred to me after I realized that the bridge was only half complete that it may have only formed one half of the arch -- which may have seriously diminished the amount of strength the arch would add, especially if the end at the center wasn't anchored extremely securely -- it wouldn't need to be, once the other end of the arch was in place, because they'd press against each other. But without the other end in place, that could've been a point of structural failure.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@carnage said in In other news today...:
@boner said in In other news today...:
Well... Someone did not secure the cargo sufficiently, going by that big hole in the aft.
Sounds like it's going to be a gigantic pain in the aft to clean up.
Well, either that, or a golden opportunity.
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@carnage said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@carnage said in In other news today...:
@boner said in In other news today...:
Well... Someone did not secure the cargo sufficiently, going by that big hole in the aft.
Sounds like it's going to be a gigantic pain in the aft to clean up.
Well, either that, or a golden opportunity.
mmm....
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one of the incidents involved the doorbell of the Indian deputy High Commissioner J P Singh being rung at 3 am. Since the Indian side felt that this was done by Pakistan’s security agencies, the Pakistan deputy high commissioner Syed Haider Shah’s door bell was also rung at 3 am in next few days.
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@timebandit said in In other news today...:
We've had plenty of bridge problems around here lately. First in December the footbridge collapsed:
(fortunately no fatalities)
then the city freaked out at the structural engineers report about another (big, road and tram) bridge and closed it
creating quite a havoc in traffic. And also this bridge that collapsed during motorway reconstruction
It was to be torn down anyway, so the road under it was closed and only one worker was injured, but still (the web search shows it's not actually that rare kind of accident).
So at least we are not the only ones with bridge problems.
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@boner said in In other news today...:
one of the incidents involved the doorbell of the Indian deputy High Commissioner J P Singh being rung at 3 am. Since the Indian side felt that this was done by Pakistan’s security agencies, the Pakistan deputy high commissioner Syed Haider Shah’s door bell was also rung at 3 am in next few days.
If kids ever need any reassurance that when they grow old they don't have to grow up, all they have to do is look to international diplomacy.
Edit: Also, that Web site is the worst Web site for a news site I've ever seen. The /lite/ version of the article URL didn't work, had to go to home page to look up the article, home page took about two and a half minutes before it was even scrollable, eventually got to article with each intermediate step taking another couple minutes, then when I was on a different tab, that tab crashed in the background.
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@heterodox You're not wrong
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
I doubt they are going to find any survivors in those vehicles.
Update: the official death toll is currently "at least 6".
An official speaking on live coverage just stated (roughly) "we're not even going to give numbers anymore because we know there are more vehicles under there, and we're going to give a grand total once we've uncovered all of the vehicles".
Among those treated at the scene was Richard Humble, a sophomore at FIU who said that he was in the passenger seat of a car with his friends at the exact moment the bridge collapsed.
"We were parked at a red light and I started to hear the bridge creak," Humble said. "So I looked up and I saw the bridge falling on top of us."
He said the roof of the car caved in on his head, squishing his neck. He frantically called out to his friend in the driver's seat.
"I was screaming her name so loud cause I just wanted her to hear it," Humble said, "and she just wouldn't respond."
Humble got out of the car to call his mother. He doesn't know what happened to his friend, who is still considered missing.
It appears that some cables were being tightened:
Cables were attached to the walkway to take the weight off the structure, renderings show. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio tweeted Thursday that the cables had loosened and the engineering firm requested that they be tightened.
"They were being tightened when it collapsed," Rubio wrote.
Some other articles say that they were "suspension" cables, although obviously not the main suspension cables that it should've had, since the center column to which the main suspension cables would have needed to be anchored at the top was not yet installed (and they couldn't anchor the cables on just one side anyway, as the load would be off balance).
CNN reports that a security video showed the moment the bridge collapsed:
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Video is worth a watch.
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@boner Why didn't anybody hit the kill switch ?
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@timebandit from what I can make out it was in reverse powered only by gravity. Should be some sort of brake though.
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@boner said in In other news today...:
Should be some sort of brake though
It should not be possible to go in reverse
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@timebandit I have to point out what Picard says to confirm his orders, for reasons related to your sentence. Too tired to make an actual joke of it.