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I had a friend who worked for a rural Florida power company tell me that most of their service interruptions were due to squirrels getting crispy-fried in pole-mounted transformers. Says they make a nice blue flash as well.
Birds are normally fine when they sit on a power line,. Except when the lines sway too close together...the birds don't survive, if you're wondering.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
You joke but:
Yeah, not a new idea.
("To drive like a singed sow" is still a common expression in German.
Corollary: The Autobahn is just collective trauma therapy for Roman war tactics. TYL!)
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
Says they make a nice blue flash as well.
Bluebird
sizzlingsingeing in the dead of niiiight …
SCNR
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
They don't often get into crashes, do they? Especially not when pressurised, because that is usually done in the port before diving; in transit, they are usually not pressurised.
It's pretty rare but they occasionally explode. There used to be (still is?) a story going round where a tank was dropped and the valve shot off and went through various people, boats, walls, etc.
I've never heard of them being filled at the port, though. They're filled at the shop and transported.
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@coldandtired said in In other news today...:
a story going round where a tank was dropped and the valve shot off and went through various people, boats, walls, etc.
Like this?
(Courtesy @ender from Discord)
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
when the lines sway too close together
In 120V/60Hz land, I think the neighborhood primaries are 7200V phase to neutral, so 7200 * sin(2π / 3) = 6235V phase to phase... yeah, I like my birds a little rarer than that.
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@coldandtired That's not an explosion, though.
As has already been stated, such vehicular tanks will be designed to fail safe (or at least safe-ish). If its structural integrity becomes compromised to a point where the pressure would rip it apart then no one aboard will have been alive due to the sheer forces exerted by the crash anyway.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
They don't often get into crashes, do they? Especially not when pressurised, because that is usually done in the port before diving; in transit, they are usually not pressurised.
For some anecdata; we'd always store and transport ours pressurised. Filling takes about half an hour and most locations that even have fills available seem to only have a handful of whips, so you'd spend the whole day waiting for a group of people to get charged tanks.
I've only dived inland and off the coast from RIBs in the UK so maybe other places do it differently though.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
@coldandtired said in In other news today...:
a story going round where a tank was dropped and the valve shot off and went through various people, boats, walls, etc.
Like this?
Pretty much. It happened once in a company I had a student job at. Reportedly some guy transported an oxygen welding cylinder on a forklift and it fell off when he miscalculated a corner. I only saw the hole in the concrete wall where it had gone trough before landing on the adjacent company's yard.
And yes, all the dive companies I've used so far just threw (OK, carefully tied) the cylinders on a truck and took them to the embarkation point like that.Edit: tangentially related, exceptionally good German humor RE forklift security
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@coldandtired said in In other news today...:
They're filled at the shop and transported.
The shops for these sorts of things tend to be in close proximity to ports; no sense hauling stuff further than you need to.
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@dkf It's more about time (each tank takes a while to fill) or availability (filling trimix, nitrox, pure O2, etc. needs special equipment and training).
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@Cursorkeys said in In other news today...:
@Bulb said in In other news today...:
They don't often get into crashes, do they? Especially not when pressurised, because that is usually done in the port before diving; in transit, they are usually not pressurised.
For some anecdata; we'd always store and transport ours pressurised. Filling takes about half an hour and most locations that even have fills available seem to only have a handful of whips, so you'd spend the whole day waiting for a group of people to get charged tanks.
I've only dived inland and off the coast from RIBs in the UK so maybe other places do it differently though.
It depends on how close your base is to the diving area I suppose. If you go somewhere within days trip, you'll have the bottles filled already. If you are going somewhere far, you are more likely to get them filled there — after all, they won't let you put pressurised ones on a plane.
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@coldandtired Sure, but the deliveries from the main gas suppliers can be to anywhere easily enough (they supply a lot of other businesses too, so they have to support delivering all over). Diving gas suppliers therefore are still best off close to where their customers are.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
Diving gas suppliers therefore are still best off close to where their customers are.
Exactly. But in the UK, that isn't by the sea. The most popular location for recreational diving is in Leicester, followed by Brum. And for mixed gas stuff it's Stoke.
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@coldandtired said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
Diving gas suppliers therefore are still best off close to where their customers are.
Exactly. But in the UK, that isn't by the sea. The most popular location for recreational diving is in Leicester, followed by Brum. And for mixed gas stuff it's Stoke.
I only got to visit Stoney once, it was very clear and IIRC there was a sunken helicopter. My local was Dosthill which one of my last log book entry says was: visibility 5m, and water temp 8 °C...with a wet suit. I think Dosthill had a bathtub and a large tree, nothing particular interesting at depth.
It's been a decade for me, I really need to do a refresher and go diving somewhere interesting. It was very good fun, and much more so once I got my dry suit ticket. The UK is too cold for me and wet suits!
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@coldandtired said in In other news today...:
They're filled at the shop and transported.
The shops for these sorts of things tend to be in close proximity to ports; no sense hauling stuff further than you need to.
Usually they're in a port where some/many of their trips leave, but especially on islands where you have dive spots all over the place, sometimes more of the trips start from somewhere else. E.g. in Bali that can mean 120 km on scary roads that would count as single lane in most places but have traffic in both directions anyway.
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@Cursorkeys My first dives in the UK were there in February, in a semi-dry. I think I bought a drysuit the next week!
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Started diving 25 years ago in cold, shit-vis quarries in upstate NY. Got my dry suit back when I didn't care too much about where I dived, as long as I got to dive. Nowadays, I'm a warm-water wuss, although perhaps it'd be different if I lived in a place with good technical diving. Shit, I'd love to go places like Florida caves, Scapa, Bikini... maybe in my next life.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
I mean, that's definitely cool but not something I needed on a Monday morning at 08:00 am. We were wide awake afterwards, though.
Brb - asking if I can do that on my morning lectures. Don't even care if the students are awake, I'd mostly be doind that for muself. Hard to give a sensible lecture when you're half asleep.
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@LaoC said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
You joke but:
Yeah, not a new idea.
("To drive like a singed sow" is still a common expression in German.
Corollary: The Autobahn is just collective trauma therapy for Roman war tactics. TYL!)The swedish armed forces did have a research facility (in the 70s I believe) where they were experimenting with training actual seals for military usage. It does give a new meaning to the term "navy seal" I admit.
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On the other side of the aisle, arguments FOR CC’s Code of Conduct include:
- Fostering an inclusive and safe space for women, LGBTQIA+, and People of Color, who in the absence of the CoC are excluded, harassed, and sometimes even raped by cis white males.
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@pie_flavor What a massive storm is brewing there, but I don't know whether it is in a teacup or not.
My general take is that if your community is so toxic that the only way you can take contributions is by filtering the whole thing via a quasi-legalistic code-of-conduct document (complete with enforcement thought police) then the community is too toxic and it is time to bail. Yes, we should treat each other properly but we should do this without explicit rules stating what this means and instead err on being generous-of-spirit towards others as their life experiences given them viewpoints that let them see things that we might miss (and we should expect the reverse too).
Morality shouldn't be legislated. Legislation can be left to actual politicians instead of being replicated in microcosm.
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@dkf
Well, it's a good thing they're targeting relatively benign communities such as Linux kernel now, and not, for instance, builders or dockworkers.
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Although... given the state of things in a few years I might be laughing the other side of my face about having written this.
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@pie_flavor Once more from the article:
On the other side of the aisle, arguments FOR CC’s Code of Conduct include:
- Being against the CoC means you want women, LGBTQIA+, and People of Color to be harassed.
"If you're not with us you are against us"? I can understand that they don't want the CoC to be immediately watered down until it amounts to nothing, but putting yourself in the corner like that is disingenuous.
EDIT: Of course that statement could have been added when the article author made the summary, though I could equally well envision people making that statement.
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The OG article is actually fairly decent, if targeted at the super-technical-nerd audience of "security" "experts". But the /. summary is definitely a case study in link-trap-telephone and blowing things out of proportion.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other news today...:
@dkf
Well, it's a good thing they're targeting relatively benign communities such as Linux kernel now, and not, for instance, builders or dockworkers.
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Although... given the state of things in a few years I might be laughing the other side of my face about having written this.Builders and dockworkers tend to have pretty low tolerance for folks who mean to "help" but their full contribution is just to tell all the actual workers how to do their jobs.
Hopefully that doesn't change anytime soon.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
Yes, how giant of a difference the third-party status makes them. Obviously MS Solitaire Collection is still okay, just not any of that not-Microsoft dogshit.
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@pie_flavor isn't Solitaire Collection also 3rd party?
Edit: going by Wikipedia:
The software, designed by Microsoft Studios and developed by Arkadium
So it really depends on just how pedantic you are and which evidence you want to ignore. How about a compromise - second-party software?
Edit 2: to my great surprise, there actually exists an ISO definition of what the second party is, and it's different from the first party.
Edit 3: Reading further, the ISO definition of second party is actually a very good description of the Solitaire Collection situation. Once again, my joke has been ruined by reality.
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@boomzilla Apparently that's the second time that's happened. Wow.
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@Gąska So it's all parties round here…
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@BrisingrAerowing said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla Apparently that's the second time that's happened. Wow.
That first driver should have cleared a path with his SUV. This guy just followed.
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@coldandtired said in In other news today...:
On the other side of the aisle, arguments FOR CC’s Code of Conduct include:
- Fostering an inclusive and safe space for women, LGBTQIA+, and People of Color, who in the absence of the CoC are excluded, harassed, and sometimes even raped by cis white males.
This is dangerously close to garage material, but I'm sure many attempted rapes were prevented by a proper Code of Conduct.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
What sounds much more dangerous than the CoC non-sense is that they can revoke a GPL license to begin with.
Is that really true, can a copyright owner arbitrarily decide to revoke license rights like that? Is this true for GPL only or also for much simpler (and understandable by non-lawyers) licenses like the BSD or MIT?Copyright (c) <year> <copyright holders>
Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Software.THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
SOFTWARE.Because this license says without restriction ...subject to the following conditions. Revoking those rights post facto is horrible.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
Because this license says without restriction ...subject to the following conditions. Revoking those rights post facto is horrible.
Yes, it's pretty horrible but still allowed. I'd argue that these neo-McCarthyites need stopping at any cost, this might just be that cost.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@coldandtired said in In other news today...:
On the other side of the aisle, arguments FOR CC’s Code of Conduct include:
- Fostering an inclusive and safe space for women, LGBTQIA+, and People of Color, who in the absence of the CoC are excluded, harassed, and sometimes even raped by cis white males.
This is dangerously close to garage material, but I'm sure many attempted rapes were prevented by a proper Code of Conduct.
We've got you covered: https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/25760/kill-switch
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
What sounds much more dangerous than the CoC non-sense is that they can revoke a GPL license to begin with.
Is that really true, can a copyright owner arbitrarily decide to revoke license rights like that? Is this true for GPL only or also for much simpler (and understandable by non-lawyers) licenses like the BSD or MIT?Copyright (c) <year> <copyright holders>
Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Software.THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
SOFTWARE.Because this license says without restriction ...subject to the following conditions. Revoking those rights post facto is horrible.
A copyleft license is just a certain ideology applied to writing a copyright license. Copyright licenses can be revoked; that's how they work. Hell, the GPL has clauses dictating certain cases where the license gets automatically revoked.
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No true sporting event...