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@ChaosTheEternal
$30,000
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@TimeBandit A point of note, the $30,000 is paid by whoever is requesting for the star. Some of that $30k goes to the Trust and some covers the installation. I would assume subsequent upkeep is on the Trust, though.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/arts/television/trump-star-destroyed-pickax.html
To get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, people must apply to the Chamber of Commerce, and demonstrate success or talent in the entertainment world. If selected, they pay $30,000, part of which goes to the Hollywood Historic Trust, and part of which covers the installation of the star.
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@ChaosTheEternal Would accomplishing this with a depleted uranium slug from orbit be simple vandalism, wanton endangerment, or would it depend on the accuracy of the targeting mechanism?
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
@Cursorkeys and making things easier makes them more frequent (on the margins). And divorce (even amicable divorce) screws any kids involved. I see them all the time--
- Children who, even though their parents get along, are bounced from one house to the other so they never know where their stuff is or have any stability
- Children who are used as bargaining chips/weapons against the other (former) spouse.
- Children who are left thinking that they're to blame for their parents breaking up.
While divorce is (generally) better than staying in an abusive relationship, most divorces aren't due to such issues. Most issues can be worked out if both parties are willing to put in the effort. Lowering the barriers to divorce decreases (on the margins again) the willingness to put in the effort.
Regardless of whether it's abusive or not, parents who divorce turn out better kids than parents who keep it together 'for the kids'.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
On one hand, I'd be happy with removing most of those benefits to begin with, but that's maybe another discussion.
Right. We should move those benefits to a new tier of relationship, super-marriage, which it's difficult to get out of.
I wonder what world you currently reside in, because I doubt it's this one.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
Regardless of whether it's abusive or not, parents who divorce turn out better kids than parents who keep it together 'for the kids'.
Citation needed.
I'm sure a lot depends upon how the 'for the kids' is expressed to the kids.
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@Karla Quick google.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/when-kids-call-the-shots/201703/why-bad-marriages-are-worse-kids-divorce
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
@Cursorkeys and making things easier makes them more frequent (on the margins). And divorce (even amicable divorce) screws any kids involved. I see them all the time--
- Children who, even though their parents get along, are bounced from one house to the other so they never know where their stuff is or have any stability
- Children who are used as bargaining chips/weapons against the other (former) spouse.
- Children who are left thinking that they're to blame for their parents breaking up.
While divorce is (generally) better than staying in an abusive relationship, most divorces aren't due to such issues. Most issues can be worked out if both parties are willing to put in the effort. Lowering the barriers to divorce decreases (on the margins again) the willingness to put in the effort.
Regardless of whether it's abusive or not, parents who divorce turn out better kids than parents who keep it together 'for the kids'.
You know what actually works better than either? Working through your problems like adults because you took vows to honor and cherish the other in all conditions till death do you part. Heck, many people are more loyal to their pets than their spouses. Making divorce easy makes marriages less meaningful. Being married shouldn't be a purely self-interested thing. Both of you have to be willing to compromise and grow together as one.
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@benjamin-hall said in In other news today...:
Being married shouldn't be a purely self-interested thing.
I am most fearful of entering relationships for this specific thing...
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
Right. We should move those benefits to a new tier of relationship, super-marriage, which it's difficult to get out of.
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Don't know what kind of people you hang with, but with "remove" I actually mean "remove" and not "rename to something different and keep as-is".
I wonder what world you currently reside in, because I doubt it's this one.
One where it's perfectly possible to live together (and have kids) without first getting a stamp of approval from somebody else. (You still can, of course, if you're into that kind of thing.)
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@cvi So what you're saying is that there should no longer be a relationship level that has actual commitment to it rather than you say you're committing but really could nope out at any time?
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@pie_flavor He said neither of that.
He said something about "removing most of those benefits". Maybe he meant tax breaks, but nothing about commitment.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@cvi So what you're saying is that there should no longer be a relationship level that has actual commitment to it rather than you say you're committing but really could nope out at any time?
If I parse that correctly, then I think you're mixing up several different things.
One point was that I don't think that marriage should give you benefits such as tax breaks or similar. (There are other ways to give more targeted benefits, e.g. if the goal is to support raising children.)
I also don't think that you need to get married in the first place, but that's a separate thing. Getting some legal papers drawn up may be a good idea for other reasons, especially if the relationship is getting more serious and long-term.
If your relationship with somebody needs a demonstration of commitment or whatever beyond ... well, beyond having that relationship, that's your problem. The legal system doesn't need to be involved.
If you want to get married or similar due to your or your partners beliefs, that's also up to you. If you (plural "you") value that, go for it! Again, legal system doesn't need to be involved.
Fake Edit: What topspin said.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
One point was that I don't think that marriage should give you benefits such as tax breaks or similar. (There are other ways to give more targeted benefits, e.g. if the goal is to support raising children.)
Raising children in general is worth benefits.
Raising children in a stable household is worth much more.
The point of marriage having benefits is so you not only cement the relationship, but also cement the household your children will be living in.
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@pie_flavor but living as a couple already brings implicit financial benefits (if just from economy of scale), there's no need to throw in tax breaks.
Incentives for marriage are nonsensical anyway as few people are likely to get married or stay married for tax reasons.
The children who are likely to be worst off are those raised by a single parent - so if the aim is to benefit children then how does it make any sense to penalise the more vulnerable for a decision made by their parents?
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@japonicus Leave it to a non-American to equate one side getting a benefit with the other side getting penalized.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
Raising children in general is worth benefits.
Raising children in a stable household is worth much more.Give tax breaks for children then.
Just an idea, you don't have to agree with it.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
The point of marriage having benefits is so you not only cement the relationship, but also cement the household your children will be living in.
If the benefits of marriage is the only thing holding your relationship together, I would suggest that you're probably doing it wrong. If it's not, then you don't need the benefits of marriage to cement that. (But if you still want to get married for personal reasons, that's OK too.)
Providing a stable household is commendable. It's commendable regardless of whether it's provided by married people, by unmarried, by divorced, or by re-married (or whatever combination you want to thrown in there). Perhaps there's a more direct way of supporting stable households? Besides, it's not as if all married couples automatically provide stable households either... (Nor do married couples automatically have children, for that matter.)
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@japonicus Leave it to a non-American to equate one side getting a benefit with the other side getting penalized.
Not sure what nationality has to do with it
Perhaps a matter of reading comprehension?
from the OED, Penalize: v.t. inflict a penalty on; put at a disadvantage
If you make extra money available to children only if their parents are married then the second definition of penalize fits pretty well...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
"Milk Shake"
WHO DOES THAT?!?!?
People with Parkinson's disease
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@japonicus said in In other news today...:
from the OED, Penalize: v.t. inflict a penalty on; put at a disadvantage
I'll tell you who gets penalized. The poor overworked @mods who get asked to divorce this subthread from the news thread. I'd rather they stay together for the sake of the "said in" links.
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@pie_flavor said in In other news today...:
@Karla Quick google.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/when-kids-call-the-shots/201703/why-bad-marriages-are-worse-kids-divorce
Well sure, well behaved divorced parents are better than poorly behaved married parents.
All things being equal...kids want their parents to stay together.
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https://eand.co/how-american-economics-is-ruining-your-life-d66bcb4bac45
This paragraph really got me:
Americans live uniquely terrible lives. Short, nasty, brutish, lonely, mean, unhappy. How much so? Life expectancy is higher in Chile, for example. It’s almost impossible to overstate just how uniquely bad American life is — school shootings, medical bankruptcies, young people trying to crowdfund insulin, skyrocketing suicide rates, opioid epidemics, one year olds on trial. These things don’t happen anywhere else in the world, really. Not even poor countries.
The frustrating thing isn't just how wrong it is, but that Medium shows it as the "most highlighted content". Christ, people.
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@boomzilla Please keep this content in the garage where it bel--
may not [...] fit into maintenance barns.
Oh.
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I walk past the "Seattle Streetcar Garage" almost every day and I've commented to my buddy "wow they build those doors with like 2" of clearance on either side, weird they didn't make them more roomy."
Anyway.
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@blakeyrat said in In other news today...:
I walk past the "Seattle Streetcar Garage" almost every day and I've commented to my buddy "wow they build those doors with like 2" of clearance on either side, weird they didn't make them more roomy."
Anyway.
Driving any railed vehicle is an extremely demanding job, as you have to keep right on top of the rails all the time. Deviating even a centimeter can have disastrous consequences.
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Fucking GDPR.
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@Boner I'm pretty upset that they won't let monkeys smoke. All in all it seems fine to me.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
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Fucking GDPR.
It's a news website. They could serve you the simple-most static HTML a browser from the 90s can render. If they do shit that's not GDPR compliant, the fault is entirely on them.
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RIP Hipchat. Good riddance...
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@Tsaukpaetra Maybe users' feature requests will be implemented more than once a quarter if that migration happens. For fuck's sake, you can't even delete rooms in Stride.
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@heterodox said in In other news today...:
For fuck's sake, you can't even delete rooms in Stride.
Wut.
I mean, I thought it was silly you can't delete messages, but whole rooms? :O
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
I mean, I thought it was silly you can't delete messages, but whole rooms? :O
You can definitely edit and delete messages. But once a room has been created, it's in the rooms list forever.
Note that I'm referring to Stride; I don't think HipChat had the ability to edit or delete messages. (We almost had a colleague's surprise party ruined because of that inability. :P)
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@heterodox said in In other news today...:
You can definitely edit and delete messages.
On Stride? I wouldn't know. HipChat, I know I definitely can't despite being an Admin.
It theoretically could, because menu. But nope.
@heterodox said in In other news today...:
Note that I'm referring to Stride; I don't think HipChat had the ability to edit or delete messages. (We almost had a colleague's surprise party ruined because of that inability. :P)
Gotcha.
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@Boner said in In other news today...:
Cairo's International Garden municipal park denies painting black stripes on the animal.
What's their statement on white stripes?
INB4 Jack White jokes
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@Zecc said in In other news today...:
@Boner said in In other news today...:
Cairo's International Garden municipal park denies painting black stripes on the animal.
What's their statement on white stripes?
INB4 Jack White jokes
And who would come supply them?
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@Tsaukpaetra A stripe painter!
(I never really understood this joke)
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.
Fucking GDPR.
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