:baby_symbol: Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit
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@Luhmann said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Rhywden
I would rate that scale a GG major or G minor?
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
I never said I thought letter grades were damaging and I don't think that has anything to do with the reason the school chose colors. It is a visual chart on the wall. Colors can be seen.
BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH POOR DISADVANTAGED COLORBLIND KIDS? DISCRIMINATION!!!!
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@masonwheeler said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
I never said I thought letter grades were damaging and I don't think that has anything to do with the reason the school chose colors. It is a visual chart on the wall. Colors can be seen.
BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH POOR DISADVANTAGED COLORBLIND KIDS? DISCRIMINATION!!!!
Usually they are boys, so no one cares.
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@Polygeekery said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Polygeekery said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
My son had ~40 minutes of homework a night in kindergarten. 20 minutes of written homework and expected to do 20 minutes of reading.
Now that I think about it he also had homework in preschool.
There might something lost in translation here, I'm not sure what the difference is between kindergarten and preschool (I thought the two were more or less synonymous, but clearly not).
To clarify what I meant: here, children start learning to read (write, count...) at age 6, when they start "primary school". The year(s) before that are actually optional (even though everyone does it nowadays), and the last year before that they start to learn letters, drawing their name etc. but it's not really "school" (it's called "maternal school", and I'll let for another thread the whargablblbl about sexism or feminism or whatever).
So, to me, having homework before that 6-yo threshold is a huge . From that point on, I did have homework and it was the norm historically to have some, even if there is a move away from having homework until about 9-10. So having homework in (what we call) primary school doesn't strike me as odd.
I always thought that US primary school was starting at the same point as what we call "primary school" here, i.e. 6 yo (and the year they start formally learning to read, write etc.), and that kindergarten/preschool were basically interchangeable words for "before primary school", where they might start to learn letters and basic words, but they're not expected to know how to read.
For a while anyway. Until myself and another mother put the end to that bit of nonsense, which is kind of an amusing story if anyone wants to hear.
I've yet to see a story from you that no-one wants to hear.
(and no, that's not a challenge)
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@remi kindergarten is about age 6. Technically not mandatory in some places, but most do.
Pre-school is ages 3-5. Totally not mandatory in most places, but used as day-care for working parents.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
kindergarten is about age 6
Generally, kids must be at least 5 when they begin kindergarten
Most will turn 6 sometime during the school year.
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@Benjamin-Hall Oh, right. So kindergarten is just one year, the year before you start (primary) school? And pre-school is... everything before that?
OK then, I guess it makes more sense to have some homework at that point. Not how it works here, but not a either.
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@boomzilla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
kindergarten is about age 6
Generally, kids must be at least 5 when they begin kindergarten
Most will turn 6 sometime during the school year.
Hence my "about". It also varies by location and era--growing up it was 6+, but it keeps moving earlier and earlier. Lots of parents do red shirt their kids (especially boys), delaying their entry into kindergarten by a year to help them mature a bit.
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@remi said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Benjamin-Hall Oh, right. So kindergarten is just one year, the year before you start (primary) school? And pre-school is... everything before that?
OK then, I guess it makes more sense to have some homework at that point. Not how it works here, but not a either.
The way I learned it, if you've got first grade, second grade, etc., then kindergarten is zeroth grade. It's basically just the introductory year to school. I never knew it was optional in some places.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@boomzilla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
kindergarten is about age 6
Generally, kids must be at least 5 when they begin kindergarten
Most will turn 6 sometime during the school year.
Hence my "about". It also varies by location and era--growing up it was 6+, but it keeps moving earlier and earlier. Lots of parents do red shirt their kids (especially boys), delaying their entry into kindergarten by a year to help them mature a bit.
NYS doesn't allow red-shirting. You can skip kindergarten...but your 6 yo will go to 1st grade.
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@remi said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Benjamin-Hall Oh, right. So kindergarten is just one year, the year before you start (primary) school? And pre-school is... everything before that?
OK then, I guess it makes more sense to have some homework at that point. Not how it works here, but not a either.
My issue with homework is that it already is a long day, when I went kindergarten it was a half-day and I had no homework until 4th grade.
I want her to think learning is fun...and too much structure too soon could have a negative effect on that.
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@Karla
Gotta make sure no redshirts corrupt the competitive integrity of the First Grade Field Day.
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@homoBalkanus said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
red-shirting
Intentionally hold them back from kindergarten, usually so they mature a bit more.
My consideration for it wasn't about maturity but about keeping it fun.
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
Intentionally hold them back from kindergarten, usually so they mature a bit more.
That part I understood from context. It's the expression itself that I don't get. Are kindergarten teachers afraid of red?
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@homoBalkanus said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
red-shirting
Ohhhhhhh, that's going to be a blood bath.
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
blue, green, yellow, orange, red
Oh so close... Standard placement colors:
Blue: 1st
Red: 2nd
White: 3rd
Yellow: 4th
Green: 5th
(no orange - at least thru 10th, in the US)
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
Intentionally hold them back from kindergarten, usually so they mature a bit more.
Some parents do it so their kids do better in sports.
Those parents are retarded.
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The origin of the term redshirt was likely from Warren Alfson of the University of Nebraska who, in 1937, asked to practice but not play and wore a Nebraska red shirt without a number.
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@izzion TIL, that's a nifty little bit of trivia.
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@Polygeekery said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@izzion TIL, that's a nifty little bit of trivia.
Yeah, I didn't know the origin either.
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Polygeekery said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@izzion TIL, that's a nifty little bit of trivia.
Yeah, I didn't know the origin either.
Same. I'd only heard the term, usually in context of sports.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Polygeekery said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@izzion TIL, that's a nifty little bit of trivia.
Yeah, I didn't know the origin either.
Same. I'd only heard the term, usually in context of sports.
Only know it from Star Trek which is why my initial reaction was more on the level of: "Hmmh, they probably have a spare child."
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Now to contradict everything I said in order to gloat. My daughter got 5/5 on both her first math test and first spelling test.
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@izzion said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
because IT WAS FUCKING PRESCHOOL!!!!!1111ELEVEN
You know, that might be a little young to start them out...
She has used the word "fucking" correctly in a sentence. We were so proud.
We had the dreaded repetition of some (minor) road rage the other day. Apparently some parents get annoyed and tell the child off. We both cracked up instead, as there aren't many things funnier than hearing a two year old you thought was asleep pipe up "nob" in a very cheery voice
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@boomzilla Followed ten minutes later by "I'm hungry" again, but refusing to eat any more of their dinner.
Assuming you can even get them to eat their dinner in the first place. My younger two are both very picky in what they'll eat, and of course not in compatible ways. Though it's not so bad now that they're a bit older and I can just say "I'm making {x} tonight, get yourself something else."
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@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla A B C D F.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your point. I thought you were saying both colors and letters are anxiety inducing. So equivalent. I was asking what is the alternative if you didn't use either.
This is kindergarten...they've never experienced letter grades. The colors is a simple visual representation.
I'm not saying to get rid of it, I'm just saying it's dumb to use some different marker for the 5-point system because you think that letter grades are damaging.
Pre school kids are more likely to be familiar with colours than the alphabet, especially in terms of immediate recognition
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
Lots of parents do red shirt their kids
Send them on an away team to get killed? Seems a bit harsh
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@izzion said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
because IT WAS FUCKING PRESCHOOL!!!!!1111ELEVEN
You know, that might be a little young to start them out...
She has used the word "fucking" correctly in a sentence. We were so proud.
Catching up here, but my daughter did something similar when she was 2.
STORY TIME!
For context, for a little while I lived with my ex (the daughter's mother) and the guy she was living with at the time, because I had recently been forced to move out of the place I was in because my roommate took off for Florida unexpectedly and I couldn't afford the place on my own.
One night at around midnight-1AM, I'm sitting on the couch downstairs watching those two have an argument, and only really paying attention in case I need to stand up and stop them from kicking the shit out of each other, when from behind me up the stairwell I hear a series of muffled thumps that continue to get louder. I look over my right shoulder and see my daughter climbing over the baby gate at the bottom of the steps.
The argument at this point has stopped, all is silent, as all three of us are now watching the child to see what's going on. My daughter drops down from the baby gate, walks over between the two of them in the middle of the living room where they were standing.
My daughter looks at her mother for a couple seconds.
My daughter looks at him for a couple seconds.
My daughter turns back to her mother for a couple more seconds.
Finally, my daughter fully turns to him, and in perfect tone and inflection, jabs a pointer finger in his direction and yells "FUCK YOU!"
I lost my shit and spent the next 15 minutes trying to breathe because I was laughing so hard.
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@Jaloopa said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@izzion said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
because IT WAS FUCKING PRESCHOOL!!!!!1111ELEVEN
You know, that might be a little young to start them out...
She has used the word "fucking" correctly in a sentence. We were so proud.
We had the dreaded repetition of some (minor) road rage the other day. Apparently some parents get annoyed and tell the child off. We both cracked up instead, as there aren't many things funnier than hearing a two year old you thought was asleep pipe up "nob" in a very cheery voice
We try not to crack up because that will probably encourage her. We try to calmly say to not say that word.
No calls from school yet.
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@Jaloopa said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla A B C D F.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your point. I thought you were saying both colors and letters are anxiety inducing. So equivalent. I was asking what is the alternative if you didn't use either.
This is kindergarten...they've never experienced letter grades. The colors is a simple visual representation.
I'm not saying to get rid of it, I'm just saying it's dumb to use some different marker for the 5-point system because you think that letter grades are damaging.
Pre school kids are more likely to be familiar with colours than the alphabet, especially in terms of immediate recognition
That's my thought.
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@Jaloopa said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
Lots of parents do red shirt their kids
Send them on an away team to get killed? Seems a bit harsh
They were some baaad kids.
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I'm old enough to remember when the Bee was satire...
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@boomzilla
I don't think it's ok to post pictures of @Polygeekery 's son
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Mini rant: Told my son that I'm out of socks and that he should make himself useful and get a load of whites gathered up and moving through the wash. He reappears a few minutes later, "Well, I only found about 3 of your socks, Dad."
What?!? So I ask if he went through the laundry basket and looked around on the floor (because close isn't just good for hand grenades and horseshoes after all).
Yes. Well, I didn't get through much of the basket.
Why the fuck not?!
Because of mom's shoes!
goes up and looks for shoes blocking the path to the laundry basket, finds none What are you talking about?
points to the shoes he's wearing
He's gotten in trouble for wearing shoes and walking on laundry that's on the floor in the past, so he's not completely brain dead, but it's far too much idiocy for me.
So take your damn shoes off! That's a problem you should know how to solve!
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@boomzilla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
(because close isn't just good for hand grenades and horseshoes after all).
And atomic bombs.
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Polygeekery said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Polygeekery said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
My son had ~40 minutes of homework a night in kindergarten. 20 minutes of written homework and expected to do 20 minutes of reading.
Now that I think about it he also had homework in preschool. For a while anyway. Until myself and another mother put the end to that bit of nonsense, which is kind of an amusing story if anyone wants to hear.
Technically, my daughter did too. It was reading and we were supposed to log the book and her assessment of it. We never did because IT WAS FUCKING PRESCHOOL!!!!!1111ELEVEN
Believe it or not, I never had homework until high school. The principal
eof the elementary schools sent out a memo/letter that we were not to have homework. In fifth grade, Miss Lupi tried to give us homework, but I objected that it was against the policy. She never forgave me.
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@Rhywden said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla A B C D F.
You're missing an
E
there.The only place which I ever came across which made use of the E was my college, for which that was Conditional Failure.
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla A B C D F.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your point. I thought you were saying both colors and letters are anxiety inducing. So equivalent. I was asking what is the alternative if you didn't use either.
This is kindergarten...they've never experienced letter grades. The colors is a simple visual representation.
I'm not saying to get rid of it, I'm just saying it's dumb to use some different marker for the 5-point system because you think that letter grades are damaging.
I never said I thought letter grades were damaging and I don't think that has anything to do with the reason the school chose colors. It is a visual chart on the wall. Colors can be seen.
By everyone. Yeah, that's a whole lot better than keeping grades private.
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@tharpa said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
Believe it or not, I never had homework until high school. The principle of the elementary schools sent out a memo/letter that we were not to have homework. In fifth grade, Miss Lupi tried to give us homework, but I objected that it was against the policy. She never forgave me.
Your principal may have had a principle that caused him to send the letter, but no principle will ever send a letter, they're too inanimate :)
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@masonwheeler said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
I never said I thought letter grades were damaging and I don't think that has anything to do with the reason the school chose colors. It is a visual chart on the wall. Colors can be seen.
BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH POOR DISADVANTAGED COLORBLIND KIDS? DISCRIMINATION!!!!
Usually they are boys, so no one cares.
I would bet that, on average, there are more girls who get blues for conduct than boys.
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@tharpa said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla A B C D F.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your point. I thought you were saying both colors and letters are anxiety inducing. So equivalent. I was asking what is the alternative if you didn't use either.
This is kindergarten...they've never experienced letter grades. The colors is a simple visual representation.
I'm not saying to get rid of it, I'm just saying it's dumb to use some different marker for the 5-point system because you think that letter grades are damaging.
I never said I thought letter grades were damaging and I don't think that has anything to do with the reason the school chose colors. It is a visual chart on the wall. Colors can be seen.
By everyone. Yeah, that's a whole lot better than keeping grades private.
It isn't their grade. It is a measure of their behavior at that moment.
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@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@tharpa said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@pie_flavor said in Parenting advice - you're gonna get hit:
@Karla A B C D F.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your point. I thought you were saying both colors and letters are anxiety inducing. So equivalent. I was asking what is the alternative if you didn't use either.
This is kindergarten...they've never experienced letter grades. The colors is a simple visual representation.
I'm not saying to get rid of it, I'm just saying it's dumb to use some different marker for the 5-point system because you think that letter grades are damaging.
I never said I thought letter grades were damaging and I don't think that has anything to do with the reason the school chose colors. It is a visual chart on the wall. Colors can be seen.
By everyone. Yeah, that's a whole lot better than keeping grades private.
It isn't their grade. It is a measure of their behavior at that moment.
Short-term behavior grades.