WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
every x86 CPU since 1993 has a hardware FPU that can't be disabled.
I used the 386SX for a while, which was the last version of Intel machine without an FPU. One of the good features of the early Linux kernel was that it included the FPU emulator in the kernel instead of needing you to screw around with one in application space.
I'm glad those days are gone.
The days of zero security when kernel-mode math code was considered a good feature? Yeah, me too.
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I'll give a favorite that relates to Windows 10 and how programs use the Documents folder: the way Microsoft keeps bugging me to replace my Documents folder with OneDrive's Documents folder. My Documents folder is ~6x the size of my allowed OneDrive space without me keeping any of my actual documents in it!
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It sounded to me like you want the copy process to stop on the first conflict to ask you what you want to do, which is exactly what Explorer used to do however many iterations of the conflict dialog ago.
Used to do? ??? It still does it.
If I drag a file to a folder and there's already a file there, with that same name, Windows/Explorer asks me what I want to do. If I drag a folder to another drive or another location where there is a folder with the same name, Windows/Explorer asks me what I want to do.
As far as I can tell, in those situations, Windows doesn't do anything until you tell it how to proceed.
The dialog box that Windows pops up now (in Win 10) is stupid and retarded, but as far as I can tell, the actual behavior hasn't changed and Explorer doesn't do anything until you tell it to continue. That's how my copy of Windows works.
What is it that Explorer "used to do" that it doesn't do now?
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'll give a favorite that relates to Windows 10 and how programs use the Documents folder: the way Microsoft keeps bugging me to replace my Documents folder with OneDrive's Documents folder. My Documents folder is ~6x the size of my allowed OneDrive space without me keeping any of my actual documents in it!
Disable OneDrive. No more nagging. Problem solved.
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@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Got an email back. Basically he's SOL, which I figured. They said he has to log into the school's network at least once every two weeks to prevent that from happening. I sent back a much politer email than I wanted to asking that means. He's attending school every day with it.
Fuckers.
Sooo... What is the "school network" then?
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'll give a favorite that relates to Windows 10 and how programs use the Documents folder: the way Microsoft keeps bugging me to replace my Documents folder with OneDrive's Documents folder. My Documents folder is ~6x the size of my allowed OneDrive space without me keeping any of my actual documents in it!
Disable OneDrive. No more nagging. Problem solved.
Now it nags you to enable it.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It sounded to me like you want the copy process to stop on the first conflict to ask you what you want to do, which is exactly what Explorer used to do however many iterations of the conflict dialog ago.
Used to do? ??? It still does it.
If I drag a file to a folder and there's already a file there, with that same name, Windows/Explorer asks me what I want to do. If I drag a folder to another drive or another location where there is a folder with the same name, Windows/Explorer asks me what I want to do.
As far as I can tell, in those situations, Windows doesn't do anything until you tell it how to proceed.
The dialog box that Windows pops up now (in Win 10) is stupid and retarded, but as far as I can tell, the actual behavior hasn't changed and Explorer doesn't do anything until you tell it to continue. That's how my copy of Windows works.
What is it that Explorer "used to do" that it doesn't do now?
It doesn't do it for certain special folders like Documents because apparently enough people were getting confused that someone thought it was better to silently start merging those folders instead of the normal thing.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It sounded to me like you want the copy process to stop on the first conflict to ask you what you want to do, which is exactly what Explorer used to do however many iterations of the conflict dialog ago.
What is it that Explorer "used to do" that it doesn't do now?
If there are non-conflicting items in the drag, it copies all of those and then prompts you for all of the conflicting files. Previously it went in whatever order, stopping at the first conflict and prompting for that one file with (effectively) "Overwrite", "Overwrite All", "Skip", and "Cancel without copying any further conflicting or non-conflicting files". The current version also has the option to look at a list of all the conflicting files and pick for each one.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Disable OneDrive. No more nagging. Problem solved.
Then it'll nag you to reenable OneDrive. :) - Ninja'd!
I do have one use for OneDrive: I put some files in it that I'd like to have available on all of my Windows machines. Background pictures, a couple of utility programs, stuff like that. Nothing critical.
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@Parody Somewhere in the Vista era it also had a separate dialog that said "There's a folder in the destination with the same name as the one you're copying. We're merging them and will annoy you about conflicts." They got rid of it because user response was a near-unanimous "FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT ASK ME TWICE WHEN I TRY TO COPY ONCE?"
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody Somewhere in the Vista era it also had a separate dialog that said "There's a folder in the destination with the same name as the one you're copying. We're merging them and will annoy you about conflicts." They got rid of it because user response was a near-unanimous "FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT ASK ME TWICE WHEN I TRY TO COPY ONCE?"
Yeah, I hated that version too. :P
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody Somewhere in the Vista era it also had a separate dialog that said "There's a folder in the destination with the same name as the one you're copying. We're merging them and will annoy you about conflicts." They got rid of it because user response was a near-unanimous "FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT ASK ME TWICE WHEN I TRY TO COPY ONCE?"
Yeah, I hated that version too. :P
If you try to rename a folder to the same name as one of its siblings:
But that's okay. that's what I w—
Files that didn't conflict have already been moved. So what If I change my mind? What's a rollback?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The days of zero security when kernel-mode math code was considered a good feature? Yeah, me too.
You seem to be assuming it did something other than what it actually did. What it did was emulate the FPU (on getting the instruction-not-implemented trap), and any problems were moved straight back into the user mode code to handle. What it was was very slow but really convenient as it meant you could use
float
anddouble
in your code without having to link a special implementation library and maintain a separate build for the 386SX and 386DX. (The people who needed the performance would have the hardware.)The FPU didn't have a lot of instructions for doing memory access, and the kernel's always known how to read and write in the application address space. (That's sorta required for it to work at all.)
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@Watson said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Files that didn't conflict have already been moved. So what If I change my mind? What's a rollback?
Rollback? That's a good one!
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Then it'll nag you to reenable OneDrive. :) - Ninja'd!
Been a year and a half, no nagging.
@echo off
cls
rem ----------------------------
rem Disable OneDrive
rem ----------------------------
taskkill /F /IM OneDrive.exe /T > NUL 2>&1
reg delete "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run" /v "OneDrive" /f > NUL 2>&1
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\OneDrive" /v "DisableFileSyncNGSC" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\OneDrive" /v "DisableMeteredNetworkFileSync" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\OneDrive" /v "DisableLibrariesDefaultSaveToOneDrive" /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
sc config OneSyncSvc start= disabled
net stop OneSyncSvc > NUL 2>&1
reg add "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\OneSyncSvc" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d 4 /f > NUL 2>&1
reg add "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID{018D5C66-4533-4307-9B53-224DE2ED1FE6}" /v "System.IsPinnedToNameSpaceTree" /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Wow6432Node\CLSID{018D5C66-4533-4307-9B53-224DE2ED1FE6}" /v "System.IsPinnedToNameSpaceTree" /t REG_DWORD /d 0
exit
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I used the 386SX for a while, which was the last version of Intel machine (or maybe it failed testing and was disabled in order to boost effective yield) without an FPU
There was also a 486SX with no FPU. I had one. Both the 386SX and 486SX actually had an FPU but it was disabled because it failed testing, so Intel just sold them as "No FPU" so that they didn't have to throw them out.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I do have one use for OneDrive: I put some files in it that I'd like to have available on all of my Windows machines.
And my phone. That's where my password file lives. Well, at least one incarnation. My backup strategy consists largely of duplicate/duplicate/duplicate.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The days of zero security when kernel-mode math code was considered a good feature? Yeah, me too.
You seem to be assuming it did something other than what it actually did.
You made it sound like the CPU entered Ring 0 just so it can add two numbers together, and any process was allowed to invoke that at any moment with any numbers it wants. Did I misunderstand something?
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Been a year and a half, no nagging.
That's why Windows is superior to Linux, you don't need to use the CLI or edit some weird config file to do anything
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I do have one use for OneDrive: I put some files in it that I'd like to have available on all of my Windows machines.
And my phone. That's where my password file lives. Well, at least one incarnation.
Yup, me too.
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status: was wondering what was interrupting the video stream in Zoom (this building has shit Internet because privilege or something), when I discovered Windows decided it wanted to start downloading updates right fucking now! You know, despite me clearly using up 99 percent of the bandwidth.
I motherfuckin need that, bitch!
Wouldn't have noticed except people started complaining that the broadcast suddenly started sounding like robots and the video was frozen.
WTF happened to Game Mode that's supposed to prevent shit like this?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WTF happened to Game Mode that's supposed to prevent shit like this?
You think you have any control over the Windows Update process?
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I do have one use for OneDrive: I put some files in it that I'd like to have available on all of my Windows machines.
And my phone. That's where my password file lives. Well, at least one incarnation. My backup strategy consists largely of duplicate/duplicate/duplicate.
I keep that kind of stuff in Dropbox. While they're contemporaries, I used Dropbox for a few years before my Windows 8 tablet reminded me OneDrive existed.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WTF happened to Game Mode that's supposed to prevent shit like this?
Zoom isn't a game?
I thought that Game Mode just stopped it trying to install updates rather than downloading them, although my Windows 10 doesn't bother doing anything with updates when I'm using the computer.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I do have one use for OneDrive: I put some files in it that I'd like to have available on all of my Windows machines.
And my phone. That's where my password file lives. Well, at least one incarnation. My backup strategy consists largely of duplicate/duplicate/duplicate.
I keep that kind of stuff in Dropbox. While they're contemporaries, I used Dropbox for a few years before my Windows 8 tablet reminded me OneDrive existed.
Dropbox pissed me off back when I used SVN (and toroisesvn). I would tweak the IDs for overlay icons (because of the base Windows issue that only allows a limited number of overlays) so SVN got them. Every fucking time, Dropbox said and stole them back.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
WTF happened to Game Mode that's supposed to prevent shit like this?
Zoom isn't a game?
I told it it was.
I thought that Game Mode just stopped it trying to install updates rather than downloading them, although my Windows 10 doesn't bother doing anything with updates when I'm using the comnputer.
It could use the other 167 hours it lays dormant each week for all the above. Why wait until I'm clearly actively using it before starting?
Also, apparently Active Hours are also summarily ignored...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It could use the other 167 hours it lays dormant each week for all the above. Why wait until I'm clearly actively using it before starting?
Also, apparently Active Hours are also summarily ignored...No, they're working just as designed. Windows need to be sure you're in front of your PC and using it actively when it installs updates and reboots your computer. What would be the point, otherwise?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You made it sound like the CPU entered Ring 0 just so it can add two numbers together, and any process was allowed to invoke that at any moment with any numbers it wants. Did I misunderstand something?
You did not misunderstand that part. The part you misunderstood is where you jump from that to “this is a security hole”.
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I'm glad to see that there is at least one person who is actually reading posts before posting irrelevant nonsense.
To clarify for the crowd who didn't, I first RENAMED a copy of Documents that existed on a different disk, and then copied Documents onto the same disk. With any normal directory, I was expecting to end up with two directories, one Documents (the fresh copy) and one Documents_old (or whatever I had renamed it into, the old one).
@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
He also wants it to prevent him from renaming any folder that's recognized as having a special name, or to have the rename apply to the underlying-filesystem name.
Yes, that was my first expectation. When I renamed a COPY of Documents, I expected it to actually rename it for real, not just fake-pretend. If actually renaming is too hard for (which I can accept), then don't let me do it in the first place.
Actually, that was my second expectation. My very first one was that when copying Documents to a different disk, it would make it a normal folder, not a special one. That would have solved the whole issue entirely and from the start.
@Parody He wants it to stop immediately if there's a folder with the same underlying-filesystem name, before copying any children of that folder.
That's the second line of protection, indeed. If the first one failed (either rename for real, or disallow renaming entirely), then when I copied it should have immediately told me "hold on, you think you're creating a new directory Documents but actually I'm gonna merge with what is currently called Documents_old, are you OK with that?" It should NOT have done so silently and only later prompt me about conflicts.
Kind of like it used to do, before people said "I'm sick and tired of this darn golly dialog asking me to confirm I want to do what I told it to do! I'm not even going to bother reading it and just mash whatever button gets it out of my way. And cancel means my copy doesn't get done!"
I guess we can't win against human stupidity...
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I used the 386SX for a while, which was the last version of Intel machine (or maybe it failed testing and was disabled in order to boost effective yield) without an FPU
There was also a 486SX with no FPU. I had one. Both the 386SX and 486SX actually had an FPU but it was disabled because it failed testing, so Intel just sold them as "No FPU" so that they didn't have to throw them out.
This was the case for the first series of the 486SX, Later Intel started producing them without the FPU.
It was another story altogether for the 386SX vs. DX. The 386DX was fully 32-bits, while the 386SX was 32-bits internally but had a 16-bits databus (externally).
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@nerd4sale said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It was another story altogether for the 386SX vs. DX. The 386DX was fully 32-bits, while the 386SX was 32-bits internally but had a 16-bits databus (externally).
Oh yes, I'd forgotten that part. (What I know is that the machines in question were terrible, and not just for that reason.)
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@JBert said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Got an email back. Basically he's SOL, which I figured. They said he has to log into the school's network at least once every two weeks to prevent that from happening. I sent back a much politer email than I wanted to asking that means. He's attending school every day with it.
Fuckers.
Sooo... What is the "school network" then?
The drained battery reset the BIOS clock.
- Last network access was January 2021.
- Time now is January 2015.
- 2015 - 2021 = 94 years
- 94 years > 2 weeks
- Wipe!
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P.S. Cheaper laptops don't have a separate BIOS battery anymore. The RTC runs on the main battery. Which, if run to cutoff, will reset the RTC. Any settings are stored in EEPROM, and are unaffected.
For most people, the inconvenience caused by this is limited to having a 1970 date on the system log entry for bootup, if the battery had been drained to cutoff. Soon after, the machine will fetch the correct time via NTP. And no-one notices or cares.
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@remi Something something copying
desktop.ini
and its "LocalizedResourceName" setting something.
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@Watson
something failed with an unspecified error, possibly something version something is missing
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Another Windows , though by no means a new one with Windows 10...
I was blissfully typing something when an update notification popped up. Being the good little corporate drone (it's my work machine so I install whatever IT pushes...), I clicked on it, and said that yes, I want to install the latest Java update. This started to churn in background, and I went back to typiti typiti type whatever I was typing.
Which is when the UAC (is it still called like this?) prompt came up and of course it was the full screen overlay with focus on it and of course the default pre-selected option was "cancel" and of course it popped up in the middle of sentence I was typing and it interpreted my key press as validating that button.
So not only the update was not done, but it's now gone from the notification bar so even if I was motivated enough to redo the install manually, I can't easily (I could dig up the Java updater somewhere but ).
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@remi we have a "Software Center" thing installed. I have no idea if this is part of Windows or a custom thing. But that's how corporate IT pushes stuff to us to install without us needing actual UAC / admin accounts. If you have something similar you might be able to do it that way.
I'm guessing you don't, though, given your post.
Filed Under: Remi didn't ask for help
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@boomzilla We do have a Software Center as well, so I'm guessing it's something semi-standard (for corporate installs at least). It's half-buggy but still more or less functional, is vaguely styled with our corporate logo (but not e.g. our corporate colours) and contains tons of stuff that apparently not even our IT knows about so that's all more reasons why it's probably semi-standard rather than developed in-house (far too many stuff and not really taylored to our use for it to be in-house, far too broken for... errrr... no, that one would fit either way).
For some reason the Java update still did its notification/UAC thing, which is indeed weird as I don't remember this happening ever, with Java or anything else (but that could be either that I forgot or that it was indeed a long time since IT cared to update Java).
Though I had a look in the Software Centre and couldn't find any Java stuff in there, so I'm not sure where it went (not that I care).
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@remi fuckin' Windows.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's half-buggy but still more or less functional,
Sounds like something which came with Windows, yes.
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Software Center is part of SCCM (or whatever that's called this week) so isn't part of Windows but is likely standard in an Enterprise centrally-managed domain.
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@Zecc Yeah, that part was irrelevant to determine whether it comes from Windows or our IT, I just mentioned it because... it's the truth?
The more relevant part is the half-assed corporate styling. If it came from inside, they would have been anal about using the Right colours. Like the Teams add-on (I guess?) they wrote where we have to say when we come to the office (the Covid-19 threads
isare ). It has three buttons to say if we want to come to the office, come and use the canteen (they need to plan in advance how many meals to prepare), or cancel dates we've planned before, and the three buttons carefully use our 3 corporate colours. And it's the same in a few other places. That's how I can tell that our IT wrote (at least part of...) this one. But not the Software Centre.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
half-assed corporate styling
We have this too, BTW. I dunno...not sure I'd call it half-assed, especially in the age of flat design. The color scheme is about what I'd expect and there's a banner at the top with the company logo.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You made it sound like the CPU entered Ring 0 just so it can add two numbers together, and any process was allowed to invoke that at any moment with any numbers it wants. Did I misunderstand something?
You did not misunderstand that part. The part you misunderstood is where you jump from that to “this is a security hole”.
All kernel-mode code is a potential security hole. The less you have it, the better. As CVE list shows us, not even long time kernel developers can be trusted with kernel development.
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@boomzilla I have a banner at the top with the company name (nothing else, not the logo). It's in light blue, which until now I'd assumed to be one of the standard Windows colour (it doesn't look very much different from any UI colour you might see elsewhere in Windows, though now that I'm looking closely I can't find another exact match -- not that it's telling much, in this age of carefully designed and coordinated applications
:sarkmark:
). But our company colours also include a light blue, so maybe it's actually one of those. None of the other company colours are visible anywhere though.Still, I don't see any more custom styling, which is definitely on the very light side (sounds like the IT admin who set it up went "Company name... picked one of the company colours... company logo? meh " which... isn't necessarily a bad thing after all!).
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
not sure I'd call it half-assed, especially in the age of flat design
Everything in the age of flat design is half-assed.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
not even long time kernel developers can be trusted with kernel development.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
not sure I'd call it half-assed, especially in the age of flat design
Everything in the age of flat design is half-assed.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Everything in the age of flat design is half-assed.
and not even designed
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
All kernel-mode code is a potential security hole.
That's the kind of thinking that leads to the conclusion that there's no point in doing any development at all.