WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@dkf it's the kind of thinking that leads to user-mode drivers, which are a very good idea.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That's the kind of thinking that leads to the conclusion that there's no point in doing any development at all.
As an alternative, you can reach the same point by reading WDTWTF.
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Sometimes I really don't understand why some posts get upvoted so much. Is shitting on me such a meme that it gets bajillion upvotes every time regardless of everything, or is it something else?
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You may need to recalibrate your "being shitted on" detector threshold.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
All kernel-mode code is a potential security hole.
That's the kind of thinking that leads to the conclusion that there's no point in doing any development at all.
If all development completely stopped, would anyone even notice? (other than the people with nothing to do).
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Sure. We'd figure out something changed when noticing that there are no new bugs in Windows 10.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Is shitting on me such a meme that it gets bajillion upvotes every time regardless of everything, or is it something else?
You're reading too much into the upvotes.
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@loopback0 upvotes usually indicate that someone agrees with the poster. Or not?
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@Gąska This does not mean it has anything to do with who the poster is responding to.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 upvotes usually indicate that someone agrees with the poster. Or not?
Sometimes it only means that the post was funny, witty or trolly.
Or, frequently, it only means that @Tsaukpaetra was here.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska This does not mean it has anything to do with who the poster is responding to.
But then it makes even less sense, because @dkf is objectively wrong there in a very obvious way. It's one thing when one person is wrong, but it's 4 of them now.
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@Gąska Personally I liked it because I thought it was funny, whether or not it was intended to be. Nothing to do with whether dkf is correct, nor anything to do with him replying to you.
Posts get upvoted for lots of reasons. Don't read too much into it.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dkf is objectively wrong there in a very obvious way. It's one thing when one person is wrong, but it's 4 of them now
What's wrong with being obviously wrong? Honest question, no trolling.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska This does not mean it has anything to do with who the poster is responding to.
But then it makes even less sense, because @dkf is objectively wrong there in a very obvious way.
The “Linus is a moron because Linux isn’t a minimalistic micro-kernel” debate is .
If you put things like “math” in user-mode drivers, there’s not much left you’re allowed to do besides message passing. And the context (386, no FPU) was in an era where “nothing should go in the kernel” wasn’t very prevalent. In engineering there can be more than one criterion to evaluate something.
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Holy de-derail, Batman!
The specs though...
According to Windows Latest, the medium configuration will include 2 vCPUs, 4GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD while the heavy configuration will be powered by 2 vCPUs, 8GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD. More demanding users though will be able to upgrade to the advanced configuration which includes 3 vCPUs and 8GB of RAM.
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@topspin are you sure you are arguing against me? Because you've just repeated everything I said myself. And regardless of all that, @dkf's point about "doing no development at all" was a total non sequitur and bullshit.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin are you sure you are arguing against me? Because you've just repeated everything I said myself.
I literally just skipped past the entire argument, but based on this line alone, YMBNH.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
According to Windows Latest, the medium configuration will include 2 vCPUs, 4GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD while the heavy configuration will be powered by 2 vCPUs, 8GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD. More demanding users though will be able to upgrade to the advanced configuration which includes 3 vCPUs and 8GB of RAM.
640K8GB Ought to be Enough for Anyone
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Honest question, no trolling.
We don't do that here.
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Also old Edge might finally be going. I thought it had already but don't really pay attention to Edge.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin are you sure you are arguing against me? Because you've just repeated everything I said myself. And regardless of all that, @dkf's point about "doing no development at all" was a total non sequitur and bullshit.
Am I? Then maybe I missed something.
From what I’ve read (or remember, I’m not reading it all again) it sounded like you’re saying that it’s crazy to put FPU emulation code in the kernel because all kernel code is a potential security hole. And while the last part of that is certainly correct, @dkf pointed out that it’s not the only thing to consider. “Getting things done”, at least back then and given seriously constrained hardware, was a valid choice. Would this even be used to run a multi-user environment?
Things have changed since then.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
According to Windows Latest, the medium configuration will include 2 vCPUs, 4GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD while the heavy configuration will be powered by 2 vCPUs, 8GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD. More demanding users though will be able to upgrade to the advanced configuration which includes 3 vCPUs and 8GB of RAM.
640K8GB Ought to be Enough for AnyoneIt ought to be, unless you’re running Windows 10.
(Or two tabs in Chrome)
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
According to Windows Latest, the medium configuration will include 2 vCPUs, 4GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD while the heavy configuration will be powered by 2 vCPUs, 8GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD. More demanding users though will be able to upgrade to the advanced configuration which includes 3 vCPUs and 8GB of RAM.
640K8GB Ought to be Enough for AnyoneIt ought to be, unless you’re running Windows 10.
(Or two tabs in Chrome)
Good thing I got 16 GB for my Windows 10 and 3 tabs! Just enough room for Solitaire.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Holy de-derail, Batman!
The specs though...
According to Windows Latest, the medium configuration will include 2 vCPUs, 4GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD while the heavy configuration will be powered by 2 vCPUs, 8GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD. More demanding users though will be able to upgrade to the advanced configuration which includes 3 vCPUs and 8GB of RAM.
Wait, did Microsoft just invent the VPS?
Filed under: What if there was a bookstore where you could just borrow the books for free?
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@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wait, did Microsoft just invent the VPS?
If by VPS you mean VDI...
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wait, did Microsoft just invent the VPS?
If by VPS you mean VDI...
If by VDI you mean....
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Status: Fuck you, Windows File Cache...
Been slowly increasing for the past five minutes, because the link is transferring at 30 Mbps and not 1.15 GBps.
Why can't they do a double-progress bar like on streaming video, showing the actual synced data versus data in the buffer?
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@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wait, did Microsoft just invent the VPS?
I'm relatively sure at some point a while ago there were planning to launch a computer-as-a-service / thin computer called "network computer", or something like that, but I've tried a few times to find articles on this and I couldn't.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
old Edge might finally be going
On today's todo list: re-enable old Edge to test some edge case ( ) where generated pdf's are not displayed properly (but are in every other fucking pdf reader). Apparently this requires some gifts to the gods ... anybody has a spare goat?
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@Luhmann Been there as well. Running Edge Legacy Side-by-side on 20H2 is not supported according to: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-sysupdate-access-old-edge
Haven't found a way to enable the PDF reader. What I do to run Edge Legacy itself is to install a "browser" from the Microsoft Store. Most/all are based on Edge Legacy at the moment.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Holy de-derail, Batman!
The specs though...
According to Windows Latest, the medium configuration will include 2 vCPUs, 4GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD while the heavy configuration will be powered by 2 vCPUs, 8GB of RAM and a 96GB SSD. More demanding users though will be able to upgrade to the advanced configuration which includes 3 vCPUs and 8GB of RAM.
Maybe that's only counting the resources dedicated to actually running your apps. That is, the Windows kernel and services will have their own cores. Then it would be perfectly acceptable for normal day to day office work.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Then it would be perfectly acceptable for normal day to day office work.
Yes, but the config with 2x vCPU and 8GB RAM is referred to as the heavy config not the normal day to day config.
I'm assuming it isn't Microsoft but the author of the original article calling it heavy but still.
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
anybody has a spare goat?
I think I had one, but I don't remember behind which door it is.
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@Zecc
Just pick a sequence and then invert that order
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm assuming it isn't Microsoft but the author of the original article calling it heavy but still.
The OP's article refers to this article:
The document also highlighted that Microsoft will offer different “service plans” for consumers. It will be offered in multiple configurations, such as Medium, Heavy and Advanced.
This sounds like the docs page it links originally listed the variants. Which are now removed, or at least no longer mentioned in the docs page.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Which are now removed, or at least no longer mentioned in the docs page.
The normal life cycle of a
mayflyMSDN page.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
8GB RAM is referred to as the heavy config
To me, that's just funny. 4 is unusable. 8 is barely acceptable. 16 is good for most people. Devs want at least 32. Of course, that's on metal. As someone else mentioned, maybe these are ... different.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: Fuck you, Windows File Cache...
Been slowly increasing for the past five minutes, because the link is transferring at 30 Mbps and not 1.15 GBps.
Why can't they do a double-progress bar like on streaming video, showing the actual synced data versus data in the buffer?
There's probably some real reason for this. I've seen Teracopy do the same thing: It'll get up to 100% quickly, then stay there for a few minutes while the actual transfer happens.
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@dcon Meh. I'm happy with just 8.
(it's fine for remoting to more powerful machines)
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status Yup, patch Tues. Took 2 reboots today. Installed the first (cummulative), reboot. Once up, .Net had a reboot waiting for me.
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: Fuck you, Windows File Cache...
Been slowly increasing for the past five minutes, because the link is transferring at 30 Mbps and not 1.15 GBps.
Why can't they do a double-progress bar like on streaming video, showing the actual synced data versus data in the buffer?
There's probably some real reason for this. I've seen Teracopy do the same thing: It'll get up to 100% quickly, then stay there for a few minutes while the actual transfer happens.
Yes, Windows' caching reports that the data was written as it fills its buffer. Since I have enough RAM to fit the entire fucking file, this effectively means the file gets loaded to RAM, and when the
sync
equivalent command is issued it simply hangs until the (hidden) buffer is actually finished writing out.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon Meh. I'm happy with just 8.
(it's fine for remoting to more powerful machines)
Fat clients! Thin clients!
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@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon Meh. I'm happy with just 8.
(it's fine for remoting to more powerful machines)
Fat clients! Thin clients!
Judging from the specs of current "thin" clients I have to wonder...
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Tsk tsk. The fat shaming thread is .
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
8GB RAM is referred to as the heavy config
To me, that's just funny. 4 is unusable. 8 is barely acceptable. 16 is good for most people. Devs want at least 32. Of course, that's on metal. As someone else mentioned, maybe these are ... different.
My little tablet has 2 GB. It's not unusable, but it is slow. Works fine for web surfing and PDF viewing. (It's my portable RPG rulebook and module reference.)
I gave my Windows Insider VM 4 GB and it's pretty pokey. I'd want more too.
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