WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
an external dock (USB 3.0)
Yeah those are almost without exception shittastic. Especially the "multi port" ones (i.e. those that can slot more than one drive). Any appearance of functionality is merely an illusion, and I don't recommend it unless you want IDE speeds.
In normal operation, mine is actually halfway decent. Moving data to/from the drives is significantly slower than my internal SATA-connected drives, but for what I use it for, it is perfectly fine (backups that run in the middle of the night while I'm sleeping).
I've always thought that using USB for hard drives is a big in the first place. External hard drives should connect using SATA just like internal hard drives. The bigger is that eSATA has existed for a long time but nobody uses it.
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My Windows has just updated, and internet stopped working. Troubleshooting indicates that DNS is dead.
But wait, how can it be dead if my sister has virtual classes right now and it works just fine? The problem must be with local configuration, and it must've changed during the update because everything was fine yesterday evening.
So I navigate to adapter's IPv4 settings, and sure enough...
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@Gąska Can it resolve
localhost
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@Gąska I'll be severely disappointed if IPv6 was not configured to ::1.
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Did anyone else brought their whole college network "down" by putting the preferred DNS IP into the static address by mistake, or was it just me?
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@Zecc IIRC we didn't have access to those settings.
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@loopback0 I probably could have; at one time I did have root access to the main UNIX timeshare system, but I didn't even know enough about sysadmin stuff to be dangerous. (I don't remember exactly why I had root access. I was porting some software and mucking about with termcap files for the vector graphics terminal; maybe editing the system termcap was why I needed it. In any case, I was a good boy and didn't use it for anything beyond the required task; also, I assume somebody was keeping an eye on what I was doing.)
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@Zecc no wait! You were right!
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@Gąska That sounds like someone had some kind of local DNS cache set up. That's a possible thing, but really quite unusual.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc IIRC we didn't have access to those settings.
Well, it was my laptop, so it would have been weird otherwise.
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@dkf yeah, but the weird thing is that:
- it was done during an update;
- the post-update cleanup didn't restore previous settings!
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
it was done during an update
It's possible that the local DNS server in question got flagged as a virus by MS in the most recent update and was auto-removed.
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@dkf THERE WAS NO LOCAL DNS SERVER AT ALL!!!!!!!
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc no wait! You were right!
My next question is why didn't @loopback0 like either of your posts.
I mean, you'd figure.
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@Zecc maybe he was annoyed by the extra traffic.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dkf THERE WAS NO LOCAL DNS SERVER AT ALL!!!!!!!
There's your problem
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@Gąska Did it update, or did you just get rootkit'd?
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@Tsaukpaetra yes.
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Wanted to install something, was told it's in the Microsoft store.
It's been spinning like this for a couple hours.
Good job Microsoft
FileUnder: I must be using Linux hardware
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@TimeBandit That may be a Chromium thing. I had the same problem with Steam on Monday, until I shut it down completely and restarted it.
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Poked a Windows install that had gone untouched for a while. Did update install, due to untouched system. But when the third update was taking too long to install Windows rebooted to finish the other updates, thereby causing it to lose the progress on the third update and have to restart it from the beginning. Conclusion: not even Windows Update is safe from Windows Update. Also, I got no 15 min warning about impending reboot. It just did it without warning.
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@acrow MS Store doesn't use Chromium though...
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@sloosecannon Apparently browser engines are the perfect way to implement any and all storefronts now. So, pics or it didn't happen.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@sloosecannon Apparently browser engines are the perfect way to implement any and all storefronts now. So, pics or it didn't happen.
Pretty sure it uses native UWP. Based on how the controls respond and stuff.
If not, it's using the (now out of date) Edge HTML rendering engine.
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@sloosecannon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@sloosecannon Apparently browser engines are the perfect way to implement any and all storefronts now. So, pics or it didn't happen.
Pretty sure it uses native UWP. Based on how the controls respond and stuff.
If not, it's using the (now out of date) Edge HTML rendering engine.
No reason not to wrap another browser into an app. It's so Web3.0 .
Wait. Did you mean that UWP limits the choise of browser engines like Apple Store and Google Play do?But since the Edge engine got abandoned, I expect them to switch to Chromium. If they didn't already.
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Status: Turned on my laptop from... a while ago.
Apparently Windows thinks it needs to show a bunch of empty tray icons...
Wondeful.
Wonder how soon it ll stat downloading the next windows upate...
Als the keybord is mising eypreess, what te fuc
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@sloosecannon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@sloosecannon Apparently browser engines are the perfect way to implement any and all storefronts now. So, pics or it didn't happen.
Pretty sure it uses native UWP. Based on how the controls respond and stuff.
If not, it's using the (now out of date) Edge HTML rendering engine.
No reason not to wrap another browser into an app. It's so Web3.0 .
Wait. Did you mean that UWP limits the choise of browser engines like Apple Store and Google Play do?But since the Edge engine got abandoned, I expect them to switch to Chromium. If they didn't already.
You can, but to use Chredge's engine you have to use the new WebView in the new WinUI in the newest blah blah UWP blah. The Store app was written long before any of that. It also doesn't use enough system resources to be a true Chromium-based application.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wonder how soon it ll stat downloading the next windows upate...
Fuck, WSUS must be broken again...
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*reboots @Tsaukpaetra's laptop*
*reboots @Tsaukpaetra as well, just to be sure*
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Wait. Did you mean that UWP limits the choise of browser engines like Apple Store and Google Play do?
Yes. But for a different reason: You are (were?) able to do native calls from Javascript to C# code and vice versa. So you are able, for example, to let your HTML based app do direct USB-based communication with some device you normally would not be able to reach from a browser.
In that context it makes perfect sense to restrict the available engines.
For example, you could whip up a website which does some kind of data display. And you could package the same site inside an UWP app which then displays data capturing options if it detects the proper USB device.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
newest blah blah UWP blah.
I suspect, also, it would require you to update to 2004 to display in that new engine, all other things aside, since it's an embedded system UI.
Also, MS Store serves the dual purpose of being a demo of UWP (and an arguably poor demo at that). It would defeat the purpose of that to wrap a webview...
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
*reboots @Tsaukpaetra's laptop*
*reboots @Tsaukpaetra as well, just to be sure*
Errror: stuck eeee. prsss any key too coonntnuee.
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*grabs the can of compressed air and sprays both the laptop's keyboard and @Tsaukpaetra's mouth*
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Errror: stuck eeee
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Status: Rediscovered that my laptop has NFC.
Windows barely does anything with it...
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@Tsaukpaetra When the OS has no clue, I wouldn't expect the hardware to, either.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra When the OS has no clue, I wouldn't expect the hardware to, either.
Hardware seems to be working fine. Windows just makes a pleasant sound, no notification or anything.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have NFC what you're talking about
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes, I was being clueless.
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@sloosecannon Some parts of the store are made with HTML/CSS and Javascript and running on EdgeHTML (the obsolete version of the Edge browser engine).
To find out if an UWP app is running with EdgeHTML, just download the Microsoft Edge DevTools Preview app from the Store, run it and check the local target while the app is running.
No idea what you can do with this information.
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@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
native calls from Javascript to C# code and vice versa
Why does this sound like ActiveX 3.0?
I.e. a very bad idea.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
native calls from Javascript to C# code and vice versa
Why does this sound like ActiveX 3.0?
I.e. a very bad idea.It's only available inside an UWP app. And you can only call the UWP API, i.e. you're quite locked down as to what you can do.
For example, you cannot simply connect to any USB device - you have to explicitly declare the USB identifiers of devices you want to have access to. You also have to explicity declare the websites your app will allow API access.
I really do not see why this would be a bad idea because you get the same level of access you'd have anyway if you went full native code.
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@Rhywden Mainly because it opens a whole new vector for malicious 3rd parties.
If the engine supports connecting to USB and C#, and the engine is shipped by Microsoft as a shared library, and (assumption) the same one is shared between Edge and UWP, then it means that Edge is just one security-SNAFU away from being a virus magnet.
And even if not, the kinds of apps running on a browser engine aren't exactly expertly coded half the time. For every competently written one there's bound to be an open-everything-and-kitchen-sink-and-xss app out there. "Competent Javascript developer" has been likened to an oxymoron.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden Mainly because it opens a whole new vector for malicious 3rd parties.
If the engine supports connecting to USB and C#, and the engine is shipped by Microsoft as a shared library, and (assumption) the same one is shared between Edge and UWP, then it means that Edge is just one security-SNAFU away from being a virus magnet.
Again, this is a locked-down API. You do not know what you're talking about. The default is "no access to USB".
This "What if the sky was falling" whining of yours is rather tiresome.
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@Rhywden He's concerned about the potential for trouble. Anything that punches a hole from one security domain (e.g., a webpage) to another (e.g., hardware control!) is generally hazardous. Certain capabilities are usually locked out in systems to prevent abuse; cross-domain stuff is very high on that list.
Is there a mechanism for doing the security control to ensure that these things cannot be abused? Such mechanisms might include code signing and locking of capabilities so that only particular signatures can use the C# module in question.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden He's concerned about the potential for trouble. Anything that punches a hole from one security domain (e.g., a webpage) to another (e.g., hardware control!) is generally hazardous. Certain capabilities are usually locked out in systems to prevent abuse; cross-domain stuff is very high on that list.
Is there a mechanism for doing the security control to ensure that these things cannot be abused? Such mechanisms might include code signing and locking of capabilities so that only particular signatures can use the C# module in question.
Well, considering that you can only access these capabilities from inside an UWP app, both Edge and UWP are sandboxed and everything you want to access has to be explicitly white-listed at compile-time, I don't see the need for all this hand-wringing.