WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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Additionally, because the unicorns I observed were robots, building a rocket, flying to mars, and thawing some ice may not help.
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Can a fox be dry-cleaned?
.... i'm not sure..... but if it would get me clean i'm willing to try.
I have also observed that unicorns are capable of running through the sky, so even rain will not be safe.
that's it. all unicorns must die! I'll never be clean otherwise
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They also seem to come back fairly frequently. Must be some kind of factory. They run until they die, and then are replaced.
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Feh.
Shit compared to Neon Pegasus.
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this shall be my quest, once i get clean, to find this unicorn factory and destroy it! For the sake of the world i must succeed!
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this shall be my quest, once i get clean
Then your quest is in vain, for it's prerequisite requires the quest's completion.
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Then your quest is in vain, for it's prerequisite requires the quest's completion.
Unless she gets help from a trusted accomplice…
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I'm sure there are ways and there are other ways to complete the quest.
/me phones up a local mercenary group run by a hedgehog
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Sand might work?
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Phones aren't desktops, and desktops aren't phones.
Tablets, however, are tablets. And Win8 works damn well on them, despite lacking in useful apps.
They had a lot of public feedback about "Modern"
It's hard to listen to your users when your users want Windows XP for the last 15 years and nothing else.
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Absolutely. Modern does work very well on tablets, and large phones.
But it's a disaster on the desktop. Windows without windows?
When your customers want %older_version%, the important thing to do is ask "Why?"
Not try to force something else on them, find out why they like the old thing.
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Windows without windows?
Again with the wrongness! Making an app into a sidebar is a really nice feature, which really should not be ignored!
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Perhaps.
But not every application is full screen or sidebar.There is a lot of good stuff in Win8 and 8.1.
It was killed by Microsoft's sheer bloody-minded hostility to the #1 use case of the OS - the desktop.Desktop!!! Mouse. Keyboard. Often multi-monitor, thus no edges.
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Often multi-monitor, thus no edges.
*looks at two-screen set up*
*counts edges*Plenty of edges on my two-screen setup…
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But it's a disaster on the desktop. Windows without windows?
I keep hearing this, yet most of my customers work in (say) Excel with it maximized approximately 100% of the time. The only reason they'd have to thing Modern apps are bad because they're full-screen is because someone else said so.
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Making an app into a sidebar is a really nice feature, which really should not be ignored!
One of the things that annoyed me about WIn8 was that on a widescreen monitor you can't sidebar a couple of apps. That could've been actually useful to me.
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Are you going for a pendantry badger?
Try to click and drag in from all the edges of one of those monitors.
Try clicking or hovering in all the corners.The ones between monitors are extremely hard to hit, impossible for most users - thus don't exist.
There are a host of other UI features that work great on a touchscreen but are either annoying or almost unusable with a mouse.
- eg, they tried to "fix" the hot corners by making them "sticky", which is annoying to anyone with experience with mousing, and makes some people think their mouse is broken.
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@lightsoff said:
But it's a disaster on the desktop. Windows without windows?
I keep hearing this, yet most of my customers work in (say) Excel with it maximized approximately 100% of the time. The only reason they'd have to thing Modern apps are bad because they're full-screen is because someone else said so.
All of my me hate the way your customers work. But that's beside the point. If they choose to maximize, that's their choice. When I was a heavy spreadsheet user I had a lot of times where I maximized it and vice versa. Sometimes I needed to have something else visible while working in the spreadsheet.
And it's just stupid design to have a tiny settings dialog turned into a ginormous full screen atrocity.
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They changed that in 8.1 afaik.
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Entering split screen mode resizes your windows.
EVEN MINIMIZED ONES.Thus I consider that feature to be completely useless and broken.
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The ones between monitors are extremely hard to hit, impossible for most users - thus don't exist.
Except in Windows 8, where the inside corners between screens have an invisible 6-pixel high barrier that IME makes it more likely I'll close whatever's on the left screen instead of clicking something on the right screen like I intended.
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Try to click and drag in from all the edges of one of those monitors.Try clicking or hovering in all the corners.
The ones between monitors are extremely hard to hit, impossible for most users - thus don't exist.
I hate all that invisible UI bullshit.
INB4 @FrostCat tells me how awesome it is.
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Try to click and drag in from all the edges of one of those monitors.
Why would I do that? It does nothing.
@lightsoff said:Try clicking or hovering in all the corners.
That was easy.
@lightsoff said:The ones between monitors are extremely hard to hit, impossible for most users - thus don't exist.
The corners? Those are easy too.
@lightsoff said:There are a host of other UI features that work great on a touchscreen but are either annoying or almost unusable with a mouse.
If there are, you haven't named them yet.
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That was easy.
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All of my me hate the way your customers work.
Me too, but they keep me in food and video games, so...
And it's just stupid design to have a tiny settings dialog turned into a ginormous full screen atrocity.
I agree, but once you've gone down the "everything's maximized" road, what's the alternative?
Further--I haven't asked, but I wouldn't be surprised if all those "maximize all the things" people neither notice nor care.
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They changed that in 8.1 afaik.
Not that I've ever been able to figure out--I can resize the sidebars, but not have two of them on one side, for example.
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INB4 @FrostCat tells me how awesome it is.
I'm not the person who mindlessly and reflexively stands behind everything he said until he doesn't--you want @blakeyrat.
I actually agree that's annoying, so I try to pay attention when I move the mouse in such a way that might happen.
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After I submitted that, I realized that I should have said INB4 you tell me to get over it and move on, but was too lazy to go back and edit.
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you tell me to get over it and move on
I know better than saying that to a person who'd rather not know what a word means than to be able to look it up if he's in his easy chair with his pipe and slippers reading the newspaper, like you obviously also do because it's still 19
570[1].[1] I'm assuming you have color TV.
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Absolutely. Modern does work very well on tablets, and large phones.
But it's a disaster on the desktop. Windows without windows?
When your customers want %older_version%, the important thing to do is ask "Why?"
Not try to force something else on them, find out why they like the old thing.Except you can pretty much ignore all of Modern on desktop. There's nothing crucial that runs as a Modern app except maybe some settings, and even those are generally duplicated in Control Panel.
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It might be a monitor size thing. I know they were talking about it, but I haven't actually tried it.
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Plenty of edges on my two-screen setup…
/me counts screen edges.
if you count the bezels between monitors i have.....12 edges on my home setup and 20 on my work setup (assuming the little 7" screen i keep a email/calendar/notificationy app in counts)
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12 edges on my home setup
Three screens; a lot, but can be useful.
@accalia said:20 on my work setup
OK, now this is just madness! Five screens? What do you use them all for?
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well there's the three i do development on, there's the little 7" that holds the aforementioned notificationy app, and there's the work laptop that i have positioned under my left wing monitor that has outlook/onenote on it for meeting and reference when i have my work spread over three monitors.
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It might be a monitor size thing. I know they were talking about it, but I haven't actually tried it.
I have a pair of 1920x1080s at work. I just tried, and you can't do it there--it makes you replace one of the two sides with the new app.
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OK, now this is just madness! Five screens? What do you use them all for?
Reenacting that hacking scene from Password Swordfish, methinks.
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OK, now this is just madness! Five screens?
'Cos I can't have six.
Well, actually I could, but I don't have anywhere to put it.
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@lightsoff said:
Try it again, it doesn't do nothing. Left and right, and (in an immersive app) top and bottom all do things.Try to click and drag in from all the edges of one of those monitors.
Why would I do that? It does nothing.
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At the top, yes, I get a title bar I can drag; everywhere else, I have to go to the corners to trigger stuff
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Three screens; a lot, but can be useful.
Had that at my last job. 2 screens on one computer, 1 on a second, used Synergy to tie it all together. Discovered I "lost" the mouse a lot. (Turning on mouse trails and the radar ping Ctrl helped) Not sure I could work on more than that. I do know it's hard to work on just one.
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@accalia said:
20 on my work setup
OK, now this is just madness! Five screens? What do you use them all for?
Nah, still only three screens, but two of them are octagonal.
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I'm only on the one screen here, and I don't think multiple screens would even help
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@lightsoff said:
Windows without windows?
Again with the wrongness! Making an app into a sidebar is a really nice feature, which really should not be ignored!
Are you talking about Windows 7's Aero snap or about "metro" apps?
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@lightsoff said:
But it's a disaster on the desktop. Windows without windows?
I keep hearing this, yet most of my customers work in (say) Excel with it maximized approximately 100% of the time. The only reason they'd have to thing Modern apps are bad because they're full-screen is because someone else said so.
Maximized != fullscreen (apps use the latter)I wouldn't have so much of a problem with apps if they would run as a maximized window instead of hiding the taskbar and window trim. The taskbar and trim do pop out when you touch the edge of the screen where they're supposed to be (or is this even a Windows 8.1 feature, explaining outcry after 8's release?) but it's not as if they couldn't fit on this 24" monitor.
In other words: apps don't interact with the plain old desktop, even if you use the plain old computer. Meanwhile Linux does have window managers where you can stick an application to the side, always on top and with a "no fly zone" underneath it so that you have effectively a sidebar (I'm not saying it always works out right due to different applications "partying on" the desktop, but it's not impossible either).
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Had that at my last job. 2 screens on one computer, 1 on a second, used Synergy to tie it all together.
i use input director myself, although synergy is the better app. unfortunately our corporate antivirus detects synergy as a virus.... input director doesn't get detected as such.... yeah that's a but there we have it.
Discovered I "lost" the mouse a lot. (Turning on mouse trails and the radar ping Ctrl helped
yeah that's an occasional problem. havent needed mouse trails yet but the ping with ctrl helps.
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Maximized != fullscreen (apps use the latter)
I am here to tell you most users probably don't care.
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Oh, I dread it but I still know how to get out of it as fast as possible.
You seem to have never seen a user start panicking when an app goes fullscreen and their basic instinct of "close this, now!" kicks in. They quickly realize they can't spot the close button and get in a real frenzy.
Same thing with the start screen: "how do you exit this for Belgium's sake?!?"
Microsoft really moved the cheese with that one.