WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
-
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The more I read about Unicode, the more I'm convinced all the allegations of racism are completely true.
Hey now. SHRUGGING MALE CAT TECHNOLOGIST MEDIUM DARK SKIN TONE IN STEAMY ROOM transcends all cultures.
-
@kazitor related:
Perhaps I wouldn’t mind that the emoji world now literally has “colored” people, if it weren’t for the timing. Instead, what could have been a meaningless, empty gesture becomes an outright insult. You can’t write your name in your native language, but at least you can tweet your frustration with an emoji face that’s the same shade of brown as yours!
-
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
although by blind coincidence, and for extremely dubious reasons, I had in fact that very day just written one at $JOB.
I remember how I've once spent several hours reading C++ spec trying to find out for sure whether
delete this
is well-formed or not. It took me until the next day to realize it's completely unnecessary anyway and could be easily replaced with something non-retarded.It is well-formed, but it is extremely important to be very, very careful when invoking it, since after you do it, your
this
doesn't point to anything useful, and the slightest mis-step(1) will drop you into the nuclear fires of Undefined Behaviour.(1) The classic would be a class that contains a "lockable object" e.g. a mutex, and where you use a scope-controlled RAII lock-taker. Lock the mutex with a lock-taker, then
delete this
... The number of excitingly different ways this can fail is ... impressive.EDIT: I'm inclined to suggest this about
delete this
:It's a can of worms, with the added twist that in addition to containing worms, the can is made of worms.
And the worms are venomous.
And fire-breathing.
With claws.
And fangs.
And wings.
In short, they aren't worms. They are wyrms.
-
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
And fire-breathing.
With claws.
And fangs.
And wings.@kazitor is that you?
-
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Except that Win+PrintScreen dumps a PNG format screen capture in C:\Users%username%\Pictures\Screenshots ...
TIL. Discoverability!
Better than power + volume-down, right?
-
@Tsaukpaetra well, you discover the power+volume down pretty quickly by accident.
Fun fact: I can never remember if it should be volume up or down, so I configured my phone to work with either.
-
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the dedicated key for ù is catastrophically useless (an entire key for a letter that appears in exactly one word?)
Where?Où?
-
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
although by blind coincidence, and for extremely dubious reasons, I had in fact that very day just written one at $JOB.
I remember how I've once spent several hours reading C++ spec trying to find out for sure whether
delete this
is well-formed or not. It took me until the next day to realize it's completely unnecessary anyway and could be easily replaced with something non-retarded.I’ve written
delete this
many years ago. I know a coworkers code containsdelete this
somewhere. Right now, I can’t for the life of me remember why that’d be ever useful. (I guess COM objects do it inRelease
?)
-
@topspin: as weird as it sounds, the root word is the same in French:
From Middle French eau, eaue, from Old French ewe, euwe, egua (“water”), from Latin aqua (“water”), from Proto-Italic *akʷā, from Proto-Indo-European *h₂ekʷeh₂ (“water, flowing water”). Cognate with Old English ēa (“flowing water, stream, river”).
-
@Gąska What in the world?
Without that argument, one might appeal to the limited space in the Unicode character set. Even if we take for granted the somewhat arbitrary maximum of 1,114,112 codepoints, the other alphabets included speak for themselves. The most recent update to the Unicode standard included the entire alphabet of Linear B, an ancient Mycenaean script that was not deciphered in the modern era until the 1950s. Nor does alleged scarcity explain the inclusion of Linear A, a Minoan script so arcane, scholars disagree on what language it even represented, let alone how to read the script.
This is beyond stupid.
-
@topspin #dontPutYourDickInThat
-
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
although by blind coincidence, and for extremely dubious reasons, I had in fact that very day just written one at $JOB.
I remember how I've once spent several hours reading C++ spec trying to find out for sure whether
delete this
is well-formed or not. It took me until the next day to realize it's completely unnecessary anyway and could be easily replaced with something non-retarded.It is well-formed, but it is extremely important to be very, very careful when invoking it, since after you do it, your
this
doesn't point to anything useful, and the slightest mis-step(1) will drop you into the nuclear fires of Undefined Behaviour.(1) The classic would be a class that contains a "lockable object" e.g. a mutex, and where you use a scope-controlled RAII lock-taker. Lock the mutex with a lock-taker, then
delete this
... The number of excitingly different ways this can fail is ... impressive.EDIT: I'm inclined to suggest this about
delete this
:It's a can of worms, with the added twist that in addition to containing worms, the can is made of worms.
And the worms are venomous.
And fire-breathing.
With claws.
And fangs.
And wings.
In short, they aren't worms. They are wyrms."They were so obsessed as to whether they could, nobody stopped to think whether they should"
-
@Tsaukpaetra That is the intended interface to open applications though.
-
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare ow.
Oh?
Ew.
-
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
power + volume-down
To be fair, Android devices have literally 3 buttons. That's a total of 8 combinations.
-
@anonymous234 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Android devices have literally 3 buttons
Soon enough not even that!
-
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It is well-formed, but it is extremely important to be very, very careful when invoking it, since after you do it, your this doesn't point to anything useful, and the slightest mis-step(1) will drop you into the nuclear fires of Undefined Behaviour.
It's always "fun" when first learning when you write something like this...
bool MyClass:DeleteMeAfterSomeOp() { ...some op that sets a variable delete this; return m_theResult; }
-
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Right now, I can’t for the life of me remember why that’d be ever useful.
It's very useful when dealing with mixed heaps. Typically, you'd also have some factory method. (kill it where you create it!)
-
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare ow.
Oh?
Ew.
Oui!
-
@anonymous234 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
power + volume-down
To be fair, Android devices have literally 3 buttons. That's a total of 8 combinations.
-
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
although by blind coincidence, and for extremely dubious reasons, I had in fact that very day just written one at $JOB.
I remember how I've once spent several hours reading C++ spec trying to find out for sure whether
delete this
is well-formed or not. It took me until the next day to realize it's completely unnecessary anyway and could be easily replaced with something non-retarded.I’ve written
delete this
many years ago. I know a coworkers code containsdelete this
somewhere. Right now, I can’t for the life of me remember why that’d be ever useful. (I guess COM objects do it inRelease
?)No. COM interfaces do it in Release. Reference-counting is per-interface, not per-object. In a very common case, in-apartment objects written in C or C++, there's often no difference, but when the object is remote (even if it's just in another apartment of the same process), each interface has its own refcount, and the nasal demons of Undefined Behaviour will bite you hard if you don't respect the difference.
-
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@anonymous234 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
power + volume-down
To be fair, Android devices have literally 3 buttons. That's a total of 8 combinations.
5, unless you consider adjusting volume up or down via single button presses as "combinations".
Of course, this also ignores that e.g. Nokia 8.1 opens the camera from double-tapping the power button.
-
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@anonymous234 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
power + volume-down
To be fair, Android devices have literally 3 buttons. That's a total of 8 combinations.
5, unless you consider adjusting volume up or down via single button presses as "combinations".
Number of 0 button down states: 1
Number of 1 button down states: 3
Number of 2 button down states: 3
Number of 3 button down states: 1I can see "8" as an answer, I can see "7" as an answer, but certainly not "5" (You're counting 0 but not 1). I think you meant "4".
-
@topspin And we're still not counting double-clicks?
-
@acrow No.
-
@topspin But, but, but, it's extremely discoverable! As in, I've managed to accidentally open the camera more than once. Usually when trying to wake up the phone.
-
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska What in the world?
Without that argument, one might appeal to the limited space in the Unicode character set. Even if we take for granted the somewhat arbitrary maximum of 1,114,112 codepoints, the other alphabets included speak for themselves. The most recent update to the Unicode standard included the entire alphabet of Linear B, an ancient Mycenaean script that was not deciphered in the modern era until the 1950s. Nor does alleged scarcity explain the inclusion of Linear A, a Minoan script so arcane, scholars disagree on what language it even represented, let alone how to read the script.
This is beyond stupid.
This is (caused by) politics. So, yes, beyond stupid.
-
@anonymous234 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
power + volume-down
To be fair, Android devices have literally 3 buttons. That's a total of 8 combinations.
My android has 8 physical buttons, not counting the depth switches for mic and speaker.
-
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska What in the world?
Without that argument, one might appeal to the limited space in the Unicode character set. Even if we take for granted the somewhat arbitrary maximum of 1,114,112 codepoints, the other alphabets included speak for themselves. The most recent update to the Unicode standard included the entire alphabet of Linear B, an ancient Mycenaean script that was not deciphered in the modern era until the 1950s. Nor does alleged scarcity explain the inclusion of Linear A, a Minoan script so arcane, scholars disagree on what language it even represented, let alone how to read the script.
This is beyond stupid.
This is (caused by) politics. So, yes, beyond stupid.
If you mean politics of corporations?
-
Sure, let's go back to code pages when encoding text. They were a much better solution than "politics of corporations".
-
@strangeways just because it's better than what came before, doesn't mean it isn't stupid or can't be improved upon
-
@Rhywden Yes and no. Those are affected by real politics, usually fueled by centuries of hate.
Like, say, two tribes use the exact same symbol, with the exact same pronunciation and the exact same meaning. But it's apparently not the same symbol at all, because they hate each other's guts.
Or, another example. A country wants to include yet another copy of all the latin characters, because raisins.
Or other reasons.
But it all turns into a mass of noise that drowns out any group of people with a combined net value of less than $x (USD).Also, if we ignore politics and approach the problem from another perspective entirely... Language evolves and sprawls much like organic life. And trying to categorize and create a unified set of symbols is like trying to categorize people by their features; you end up with each person in their own subcategory. And the new ones evolve all the time.
So, maybe the ancient languages found their way to Unicode as a low-hanging fruit. After all, their set was complete, unrelated to anything, and undisputed. So if someone wanted to add a new language just for the warm fuzzy feeling, or for experience, then that was an easy choise with zero opposition.Edit: on -> of
-
@acrow I'm already sorry I asked.
-
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
politics.
beyond stupid.You repeat yourself.
-
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare ow.
Oh?
Ew.
Oui!
-
-
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
So, maybe the ancient languages found their way to Unicode as a low-hanging fruit. After all, their set was complete, unrelated to anything, and undisputed. So if someone wanted to add a new language just for the warm fuzzy feeling, or for experience, then that was an easy choise with zero opposition.
As an only slightly informed outside observer, and given Unicode's ostensible goal of being able to represent any known script, ISTM adding an ancient script unrelated to any script already included is perfectly in keeping with that goal. However, there is definitely ... shall we say, room for disagreement ... over questions of the same glyph representing different symbols, different glyphs representing the same symbol, and how much difference between two sets of symbols/glyphs does there need to be to consider them different scripts.
-
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the depth switches for mic and speaker.
Really? I thought everyone has switched to impedance-based detection by now.
-
-
@Rhywden The dumb and random videos thread is .
-
@strangeways Yes, all those Minoans from 1450 BC would be unable to write in their native language on the internet.
-
-
@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare ow.
Oh?
Ew.
Oui!
Ewe!
-
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare ow.
Oh?
Ew.
Oui!
Ewe!
!
-
Oops. (Don't update!)
(I found out because our IT just sent out a note. I just use the web interface on ubuntu, so no issues for me!)
-
Weirdly enough. Then again, I regularly have to sign in to my Outlook account because the "settings are outdated".
-
Status: Oh have you now?
Waiting...
I can't be back since I never was in the first place...
-
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I can't be back since I never was in the first place...
You're a walking talking statistical anomaly.
-
@dkf yeeeesssss.....statistical.
-
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I can't be back since I never was in the first place...
You're a walking talking statistical anomaly.
Can't stat
/usr/Tsaukpaetra
!