WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@JBert Well, swedish version of Windows would have all items translated to swedish. Not one item randomly being english, especially if it been in swedish in previous versions of Windows.
(Sound, video and game controllers -> Ljud-, video- och spelenheter)
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@Atazhaia Oh, and I just checked on my other computer, also updated to 1903. And that item is in swedish there. I don't even...
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@Atazhaia What are you expecting, some kind of consistency?
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If it's Creative, don't bother
It is a Creative. And fully reinstalling the driver did fix the issue. Also, I noticed that they had released an updated driver earlier this year. Despite it now being 9 year old hardware.
How did you manage to fix it? I have reinstalled the driver and although it appears as a sound controller, the output for analog out is missing.
It is a dirt old Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer. What a ridiculous marketing-drone name now that I see it.
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with a modern OS updates are invisibly done in the background; the update experience is deterministic, reliable, and instant with no interruptions
So, they're saying Windows 10 is NOT a modern OS
After adding WSL and a Linux kernel, they seem to be describing Debian's update mechanism
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
After adding WSL and a Linux kernel, they seem to be describing Debian's update mechanism
Except, with the emphasis on "deterministic", presumably the OS updates are actually applied immediately instead of upon reboot.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Sorry but that is impossible.
With
Windows 10zombo.com, everything is possible.
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the OS updates are actually applied immediately instead of upon reboot.
Yes, that's the Linux way (except for the kernel)
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
except for the kernel
Yes. Note that I said OS updates.
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes. Note that I said OS updates.
An OS is more than a kernel
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
An OS is more than a kernel
I'm not getting pulled into this ic bullshit today. An OS is more than a kernel, yes, but most people when they think of the OS don't think of userland. Kernel security updates are some of the most important security updates, and they do require a reboot.
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Kernel security updates are some of the most important security updates, and they do require a reboot.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You were just talking about Debian, you fucking disingenuous muppet.
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
You were just talking about Debian
you fucking disingenuous muppet.
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm not getting pulled into this ic bullshit today.
If you were, you could answer like this:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes, that's the Linux way (except for the kernel)
Linux is the kernel.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The existence of a package proves nothing. My money says:
a.) you don't use this, first of all
b.) you can't use this with Debian, for one reason or another (uptrack doesn't give you the right updates, some updates aren't compatible with it, it breaks your everything when you actually try to apply an update, or what have you).Just as I'm not in the mood to have the "Linux vs. GNU/Linux" discussion, I'm not in the mood for the Linux fanboy "LOLOL Windows reboots so often to apply updates" "What do you do to take kernel updates?" "Oh, well, I reboot but that's different" discussion.
I've been working on Linux systems for eighteen years and every customer I've ever had (including customers with HA needs) rebooted to take kernel updates.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes. Note that I said OS updates.
An OS is more than a kernel
We're not talking about GNU-Linux here!
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
with a modern OS updates are invisibly done in the background; the update experience is deterministic, reliable, and instant with no interruptions
Me: starting long render in DAZ Studio and going to lunch
(1 hour later)
Me: back from lunch, reading forum posts
Windows: CheckIfThereAreUpdates() = "New NVIDIA drivers found"
Me: goes to grab a coffee
Windows: CheckIfUserIdle() = true, installing update...
DAZ Studio: (loses GPU, crashes)
Me:What, you don't safe everything we soon as you move the mouse?
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
with a modern OS updates are invisibly done in the background; the update experience is deterministic, reliable, and instant with no interruptions
Me: starting long render in DAZ Studio and going to lunch
(1 hour later)
Me: back from lunch, reading forum posts
Windows: CheckIfThereAreUpdates() = "New NVIDIA drivers found"
Me: goes to grab a coffee
Windows: CheckIfUserIdle() = true, installing update...
DAZ Studio: (loses GPU, crashes)
Me:At least we know you're not on Earth-73
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I've been working on Linux systems for eighteen years and every customer I've ever had (including customers with HA needs) rebooted to take kernel updates.
Ha! We reboot for updates every month, on the Nth day of the month, whether there are any updates that actually require rebooting or not.
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@littletijn said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If it's Creative, don't bother
It is a Creative. And fully reinstalling the driver did fix the issue. Also, I noticed that they had released an updated driver earlier this year. Despite it now being 9 year old hardware.
How did you manage to fix it? I have reinstalled the driver and although it appears as a sound controller, the output for analog out is missing.
It is a dirt old Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer. What a ridiculous marketing-drone name now that I see it.
I removed the device from the device manager, ticking the Uninstall Driver box. Then hunted through the installed programs list and uninstalled every Creative application. Then rebooted and installed the latest drivers and shit (which for my soundcard was released this year, yes really). Then it was working.
Also, a is that Creative considers its media player trial a "critical update". Yeah, no.
Edit: Just to prove it:
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@heterodox said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Kernel security updates are some of the most important security updates, and they do require a reboot.
There's a few other components where updating them effectively requires a reboot (e.g., the library responsible for connecting userland to the kernel, the init process) because of how deeply they end up embedded in everything else. They're unusual. Most updates don't require any sort of restart at all; a few require that the user logs out and in again.
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@TimeBandit How many of those are Enteprise and how many are home users?
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@Rhywden considering it's from ad company, I suspect they focus mostly on home users - or more precisely, aggregate data from all web traffic, which for most websites happens to be mostly home users. Anyway, no signs that their data would be unreliable. MS has been very conservative with recent Windows updates, restricting it to only some computers. The one I'm typing this post on is still on 1803, and I just forced updates check and it didn't find any. My other computer has been on 1809 for a few months now.
The study in article contains a very interesting graph - it clearly shows that the adoption of 1809 is significantly slower than any previous update:
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
What? People don't want to be stuck on a non-stop treadmill of constant forced updates, most of which are extremely buggy?
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
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@El_Heffe ironically, it's not the users that decided they won't get updates, but Microsoft.
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@Gąska beta testers are enrolled in small batches
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"Microsoft’s original grand plan for Windows 10 was an operating system that was always up-to-date. Updates were intended to be mandatory, and while you could delay them a bit, you couldn’t opt out of them entirely."
Which is perfectly fine and reasonable, provided that:
(a) You only fix the things that actually need to be fixed
(b) You actually give two fucks about QASince Microsoft doesn't give two fucks about QA, all the bugs they keep creating with their constant tinkering have become more trouble than they want to deal with.
"And the software giant was committed to rolling out two major feature updates a year."
Which is completely insane. People don't want most of these "features". An OS isn't supposed to have "features". People want an OS to be like the engine in their car. It starts, it runs, it doesn't cause any problems, and other than occasional minor maintenance, you never have to think about it. Nobody want to replace the engine in their car every six months.**
This is why Windows 7 and even Windows XP remain extremely popular today.
** Everyone likes car analogies. Car analogies are the Cadillac of analogies.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Nobody want to replace the engine in their car every six months.
@TimeBandit owns RX-8
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
1809
ITYM 1903, and that's probably because they stopped the rollout because of hardware compatibility problems, and then proceeded very carefully afterwards.
[EDIT] Oops no, miscounted the number of coloured bands. 1809 is the one with the major bungle. (I don't remember these things…)
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@dkf 1903 is the May Update that premiered 2 weeks ago. The screwed-up-then-recalled-then-re-released-next-year one is 1809.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Nobody want to replace the engine in their car every six months.
@TimeBandit owns RX-8
I can probably do it in a couple hours
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@TimeBandit just like Windows 10.
This analogy gets better and better.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
it clearly shows that the adoption of 1809 is significantly slower than any previous update:
The only way I got on 1809 was the update helper. The one computer I let do on it's own didn't update until just a couple months ago.
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@Atazhaia Do you happen to have the PCI-Express based SoundBlaster card? I see that the PCI ones (like my XtremeGamer) did not get any updates after 2016.
I'm already bought a second hand X-Fi Titanium, so when it arrives I'm going to check if that's the problem.
Also, if the only reason to have some Creative card is for EAX, there is a software based version of EAX for any soundcard. It's called Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3. It's most likely based on that X-Fi Xtreme Audio driver. Because that card doesn't have any hardware for EAX, etc. and used a software based version of EAX. In other words, it is just a hardware dongle for the driver with a better DAC...
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Oops no, miscounted the number of coloured bands.
Resistance is futile!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Resistance is futile!
I instead go for impedance. It's complex…
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Resistance is futile!
I instead go for impedance. It's complex…
At least you have the capacity needed to understand.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Resistance is futile!
I instead go for impedance. It's complex…
I could… potentially tell the difference?
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@littletijn It's a PCIe card. And I have it because my MB is a combination of old and not gaming-focused that means a lower quality integrated soundcard that does sound and that's pretty much it. Oh, and the integrated soundcard is prone to causing random errors including blue screens and kernel panics, which is something I found out when I found a use case for using two soundcards and tried actually enabling it.
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I'd like to understand these jokes, I don't know much about electricity.
I wish I did, if only far a day.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'd like to understand these jokes, I don't know much of electricity.
I wish I did, if only far a day.
It would probably just phase right through you.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'd like to understand these jokes, I don't know much of electricity.
We can rectify that!
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@kazitor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'd like to understand these jokes, I don't know much of electricity.
We can rectify that!
Now you’ve gone a bridge too far.
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@M_Adams You must be solannoyed.
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@Atazhaia I have that card for older games using EAX.
BTW. the card came yesterday. Remove the PCI card, installed the "new" PCI-E one and wait till Windows had installed the driver. As I expected the analog channel was still missing. Then I tried to install the newer driver from the website and after installation the analog channel is available!
Somehow, Creative have managed to create a driver that doesn't produce sound. They never fail to amaze me with their completely broken software for many years.
Also, some installers refused to run until I kill a weird Creative process with the descriptive name of "ARRunE". It eats broadcasted window messages.
Still, better than the Creative SoundBlaster Live. It had a process that crashes lots of software for no apparent reason. Killing it fixed many glitches back in the day.
What a wonderful company it is...
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@littletijn As soon as I get a new computer I will be going with the integrated, as I dunno what benefit the latest Creative card would give me over the integrated one. Right now my issue with sound is that some app (Skype?) keeps activating the mic on every boot causing the speakers to emit horrible noise until I go into the sound settings when Windows remembers that the mic was disabled and it stops.
My issue with the current Realtek drivers, though, is that every time I connect my headset it keeps asking me what I connected. "You connected something to the microphone port. IS IT A MICROPHONE? Tell me!" Eurgh.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I dunno what benefit the latest Creative card would give me over the integrated one
Are weird crashes and NO SOUND FOR YOU a benefit?
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I didn't realise Sound Blaster was still a thing.