The "l can't believe they had to say that" thread
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An anime character?
I'm staying out of the ensuing shitstorm, thanks.
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I was trying to be polite and not single anyone out...
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Cartoons are for children.
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I was trying to be polite and not single anyone out...
…yeah, I should probably stop poking…
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Cartoons are for children.
Fuck growing up. Growing up is for boring people.
…yeah, I should probably stop poking…
If you like. I'm not forcing my posting style or outlooks on anyone.
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@RaceProUK said:
…yeah, I should probably stop poking…
If you like. I'm not forcing my posting style or outlooks on anyone.
I know; I just need to work on being a bit less… well, not nasty per se, but… gah, I don't know what word to use!
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I know; I just need to work on being a bit less… well, not nasty per se, but… gah, I don't know what word to use!
Provocative? ;)
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And I just read where that character is from (I thought it's something the authors of the linked website made, not actual images from floppies).
Watch the links, they might be NSFW. Just a bit.
Edit: Actually, @aliceif, you might want to warn about that in your post... :P
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Noted.
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you're welcome?
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You do know that dilution levels in "genuine" stuff are far, far below the Avogadro's limit?
That's actually only true of the most "high-potency" formulations.
Quite a lot of homeopathic preparations have active ingredients listed at 6X, which is the same thing as 1ppm (6 = six successive dilutions, X = one part in ten each). The really heavy-duty homeopathics use successive C (one part in a hundred) dilutions.
Avogadro's number is 6.0×1023 and gives you the number of molecules in a mole. The mass of a mole of any given substance is just its molecular weight's worth of grams: a mole of water, for example, would be 18g because water is H2O, the atomic weight of hydrogen is 1, and that of oxygen is 16.
A single drop of water, which is the amount of homeopathic dilution typically added to the sugar pill end product, is about 50mg. That works out to 50mg ÷ 18g/mol × 6.0×1023 molecules/mol = 1.7×1021 molecules.
So if you're looking at a truly "potent" homeopathic dilution like 12C, which amounts to one molecule of active ingredient in each 1024 molecules of water, you'd expect to find about one molecule of active ingredient per 1024 ÷ (1.7×1021) = ~600 pills.
The really cool thing about homeopathics is that you only ever need to buy one bottle of whatever kind of pills you need. Get yourself a pill press and a supply of bulk lactose powder; grind and blend one part pills with nine parts lactose; press the result into new pills. You now have ten times as much medicine as you started with and it's ten times as potent. How economical is that?
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So if you're looking at a truly "potent" homeopathic dilution like 12C
I was under the impression that anything under 30C was considered not "good stuff"?
Mind you, I never actually went out and looked to buy any of it. Materials that gave me that impression may have been misleading.
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I was under the impression that anything under 30C was considered not "good stuff"?
After I first found out what the X and C codes meant I had a bit of a look through the bottles on the shelves at my local woo-permarkets, and I couldn't find anything commercially available with an active ingredient "stronger" than 12C.
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How economical is that?
Probably not the most economical form of 'medicine' ever known to man. Since you do have to keep buying lactose powder and reformulating the pills. That prize would have to go to the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimony_pill]antimony pill[/url].
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After I first found out what the X and C codes meant I had a bit of a look through the bottles on the shelves at my local woo-permarkets, and I couldn't find anything commercially available with an active ingredient "stronger" than 12C.
I didn't know anything about homeopathy apart from the fact that they use diluted "medications". On reading the wikipedia article my mind is boggled about how diluted it is:
@Wikipedia said:
Another example given by a critic of homeopathy states that a 12C solution is equivalent to a "pinch of salt in both the North and South Atlantic Oceans",[84][85] which is approximately correct.
Saying that, I took the opportunity to add a pinch of salt to North Atlantic and then tasted the water. It was actually a lot saltier than I'd expected although I didn't taste it beforehand.
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30C
on average, this would require giving two billion doses per second to six billion people for 4 billion years to deliver a single molecule of the original material to any patient.
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On reading the wikipedia article my mind is boggled about how diluted it is
It was discovered in an audit of a homoeopathy factory that the production line was out of alignment and none of the "active ingredient" was reaching the bottles at all.
b. The investigator also observed for Batch #36659 that one out of every six bottles did not receive the dose of active homeopathic drug solution due to the wobbling and vibration of the bottle assembly during filling of the active ingredient. The active ingredient was instead seen dripping down the outside of the vial assembly. Your firm lacked controls to ensure that the active ingredient is delivered to every bottle.”
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If we call accountants bean counters, can we call those investigators molecule counters?
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It's rather rich to call what goes into a bottle of homeopathic "medicine" an "acive" ingredient, or, in fact, even an "ingredient".
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Hence my scare quotes. You'd think somebody would have noticed if there was any actual difference...
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I once took pure inert filler instead of homeopathic medicine, and almost died of an overdose.
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That filler must be potent stuff! They need to make homeopathic filler!
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If we call accountants bean counters, can we call those investigators mole
culecounters?FTFY
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That filler must be potent stuff! They need to make homeopathic filler!
I did that last Wednesday, and blew 0.0000000000000000001 molecules of it out of my window.
You're all cured now. No need to thank me.
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0.0000000000000000001 molecules
Did you make some kind of new scientific discovery?
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No, I just used standard homeopathic techniques.
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Did you remember to use homeopathic detergent when cleaning the equipment for making those dilutions?
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The tenets of homoeopathy:
- like cures like
- dilution increases strength.
Therefore, if I throw a strand of tobacco in the Pacific ocean then everyone who drinks from the sea will be immune to lung cancer, yes?
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All this time and no one asked @FrostCat why he was eating lunch in the bathroom?
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Do you want to know?
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...asking for a friend?
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Very short and quick digestive tract?
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if I throw a strand of tobacco in the Pacific ocean then everyone who drinks from the sea will be immune to lung cancer, yes?
Only if you properly succuss the ocean first.
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Therefore, if I throw a strand of tobacco in the Pacific ocean then everyone who drinks from the sea will be immune to lung cancer, yes?
Yes, but they'll die of salt water consumption.
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Don't worry. They can always dilute it further to increase the potency.
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they'll die of salt water consumption
Meaning they didn't die of lung cancer, meaning Homoeopathy works