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Wow, this topic was started 2 years ago and I still have nightmares about EFL. The horror...
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@NeighborhoodButcher They're obviously running their software on the same stack.
When I called them on Monday, no one knew who I were (even though I had purchased the Note 7 directly from the website). When I gave them my telephone number, they found about 15 people.
Who were all definitely not me. And the number I have is in my possession since about one year after Germany created that number block.
And today I received the return receipt which stated that I was to include a "proof of purchase". Since I hadn't gotten one of those via e-mail, I logged onto the website, only to discover that, due to a re-design, all traces of my purchase had vanished. They even erased my profile, leaving only the bare account.
What a bunch of amateurs.
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@Rhywden said in Enlightened:
What a bunch of amateurs.
Oh well, you can always take 'em to court if their systems are so crap you can't figure out how to do a critical return of a device for safety concerns.
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@aliceif said in Enlightened:
@Magus
Someone made a Linux Distribution that mostly enforces KDE/Qt purity - they only include a select few popular applications that use different GUI frameworks:
https://chakralinux.org/Never used it myself, though.
There's also elementary OS. They're trying to bring design consistency into Linux. They use GTK and everything is GTK there.
Based on Ubuntu LTS.
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@Onyx said in Enlightened:
@aliceif oh, it's not the installer, I could survive the "no installer". It's that I don't trust them with updates.
You know how people say "Oh, I used CentBian Fedriva for seven years and I only had a packaging issue only once, and I was trying some stupid shit at the time, TBQH."
We had Arch for a week before Apache shat itself due to updates so badly the resident "Arch expert" couldn't fix it. Yeah, no.
Yup, they say Arch is bleeding edge. It means it'll make you bleed. It's the edge you're gonna cut yourself on and bleed to the death.
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@dkf said in Enlightened:
@Rhywden said in Enlightened:
What a bunch of amateurs.
Oh well, you can always take 'em to court if their systems are so crap you can't figure out how to do a critical return of a device for safety concerns.
Fun fact - you can't erase you personal (including health) data from S Health because their server returns a 500 upon request.
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@NeighborhoodButcher said in Enlightened:
Fun fact - you can't erase you personal (including health) data from S Health because their server returns a 500 upon request.
Fun fact: the fines for fucking around in the face of a court order are usually rather noticeable on a company's bottom line. ;)
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@dkf said in Enlightened:
@NeighborhoodButcher said in Enlightened:
Fun fact - you can't erase you personal (including health) data from S Health because their server returns a 500 upon request.
Fun fact: the fines for fucking around in the face of a court order are usually rather noticeable on a company's bottom line. ;)
Although I always wonder about this: say you actually take them to court and a judge order them to remove the data. How are they going to prove that they actually did it? I guess an expert will have to certify it. How likely is it that the expert will really be able to check that the database has been properly cleaned of all references, including whatever weird partial dump that someone made for testing 2 years ago and that happens to include your info and other usual mess that exists in all big companies?
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@remi said in Enlightened:
@dkf said in Enlightened:
@NeighborhoodButcher said in Enlightened:
Fun fact - you can't erase you personal (including health) data from S Health because their server returns a 500 upon request.
Fun fact: the fines for fucking around in the face of a court order are usually rather noticeable on a company's bottom line. ;)
Although I always wonder about this: say you actually take them to court and a judge order them to remove the data. How are they going to prove that they actually did it? I guess an expert will have to certify it. How likely is it that the expert will really be able to check that the database has been properly cleaned of all references, including whatever weird partial dump that someone made for testing 2 years ago and that happens to include your info and other usual mess that exists in all big companies?
I think that's actually the other way around - you have to prove that they didn't. Which is trivial - turn on your phone.
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@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@aliceif said in Enlightened:
There's also elementary OS. They're trying to bring design consistency into Linux. They use GTK and everything is GTK there.Based on Ubuntu LTS.
Anyone tried that? What's it like?
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@marczellm said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@aliceif said in Enlightened:
There's also elementary OS. They're trying to bring design consistency into Linux. They use GTK and everything is GTK there.Based on Ubuntu LTS.
Anyone tried that? What's it like?
I tried it. I like it. It needs a bit more polish in some places, but it's very good overall. I prefer it to any other distro. And I highly value their DE (Pantheon).
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability. A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
Hey, I even paid them (yup, paid them, not donated, since their an LLC, AFAIK.)
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@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability.
Nope, nothing beats Cinnamon specially with Fedora.
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
No it is not . Nothing mac-like can be good! Cinnamon is a bit Windows-like and that is great. Get the Windows look, but without the reboot nighmare.
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@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability.
Nope, nothing beats Cinnamon specially with Fedora.
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
No it is not . Nothing mac-like can be good! Cinnamon is a bit Windows-like and that is great. Get the Windows look, but without the reboot nighmare.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
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@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability.
Nope, nothing beats Cinnamon specially with Fedora.
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
No it is not . Nothing mac-like can be good! Cinnamon is a bit Windows-like and that is great. Get the Windows look, but without the reboot nighmare.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
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@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability.
Nope, nothing beats Cinnamon specially with Fedora.
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
No it is not . Nothing mac-like can be good! Cinnamon is a bit Windows-like and that is great. Get the Windows look, but without the reboot nighmare.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
No.
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I agree with both of you.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in Enlightened:
I agree with both of you.
I agree with whatever @morbiuswilters just said.
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@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability.
Nope, nothing beats Cinnamon specially with Fedora.
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
No it is not . Nothing mac-like can be good! Cinnamon is a bit Windows-like and that is great. Get the Windows look, but without the reboot nighmare.
I'm not a design professional (or should I say I don't know about UX) but if I do an image search for "cinnamon desktop" none of those images come off as really polished.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Enlightened:
@CreatedToDislikeThis said in Enlightened:
I agree with both of you.
I agree with whatever @morbiuswilters just said.
Do I need to collapse the wave function again, guys?
Don't make me do that!
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@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability.
Nope, nothing beats Cinnamon specially with Fedora.
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
No it is not . Nothing mac-like can be good! Cinnamon is a bit Windows-like and that is great. Get the Windows look, but without the reboot nighmare.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
No.
You natural scrollers live in a reality distortion field, in a carnival mirror. I feel sorry for you mac fans
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@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@dse said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Those guys are actually what the GNU/Linux community needs: a design- and user-oriented distro, focused on consistency and usability.
Nope, nothing beats Cinnamon specially with Fedora.
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
A bit mac-like when it comes to customization, but that's a good for Linux, because they tend to deviate the other way too fucking much.
No it is not . Nothing mac-like can be good! Cinnamon is a bit Windows-like and that is great. Get the Windows look, but without the reboot nighmare.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
Everything you've written in this post is wrong.
No.
You natural scrollers live in a reality distortion field, in a carnival mirror. I feel sorry for you mac fans
STOP LYING YOUR ALWAYS LYING THOSE ARE ALL LIES YOU LIAR
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@dse said in Enlightened:
@marczellm said in Enlightened:
cinnamon desktop
Search for "cinnamon desktop fedora"
Still nope. They've got to get rid of that boring font and redo the icon set from scratch to begin with.
(I'm not saying Windows 10 cannot be butt ugly though. Going back to the family Windows 7 machine feels so good sometimes. And that Start menu search...)
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@marczellm I use Cinnamon desktop and I am very satisfied with it.
I don't know (or care) if its polished, its just easy and pleasant to use.Also, I have a dual boot and need to often switch between OSes, so I very much appreciate when an application looks the same on both OS and I can use it in the same way.
I also like applications which have their custom look (provided its not Win95 style), they break the monotony.
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@marczellm said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
@aliceif said in Enlightened:
There's also elementary OS. They're trying to bring design consistency into Linux. They use GTK and everything is GTK there.Based on Ubuntu LTS.
Anyone tried that? What's it like?
Why, it's
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@marczellm said in Enlightened:
if I do an image search for "cinnamon desktop" none of those images come off as really polished.
A quick GIS seems to give reasonable results. At that point, I guess we'd need to come up with a definition of “polished”. Other than ones with beeswax, or a large bottle of vodka and a smoked sausage. ;)
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@kt_ said in Enlightened:
They use GTK and everything is GTK there.
Pity GTK is such a fustercluck.
I've really been enjoying Xfce since the GNOME 3 disaster rendered GNOME unusable, but am sadly aware that as GTK subsides into its own self-built tarpit it's going to drag Xfce under as well. With any luck, LXQt will be mature enough to jump to by the time Xfce finally sinks.
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@marczellm said in Enlightened:
Anyone tried that? What's it like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8#t=1m5s&end=1m12s
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@flabdablet said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
They use GTK and everything is GTK there.
Well, it is a pity. Although I really liked what GNOME people were doing 2 years ago when I last tried them design-wise. Header bars are a nice thing, unifying design between apps is a nice thing. There's a lot of nice things going on there.
However, the way the GTK API changes is a clusterFUCK. That's a shame.
The elementary guys seem to be able to live with it and adapt. That's a nice thing, too. Plus a reasonable release calendar (OS every 2 years) adds stability and maturity to their work.
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@Adynathos said in Enlightened:
I also like applications which have their custom look
Blech. No thanks.
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@flabdablet said in Enlightened:
With any luck, LXQt will be mature enough to jump to by the time Xfce finally sinks.
I think you meant to say
Knowing my luck, systemd will have usurped all X functionality by the time Xfce finally sinks.
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@tufty said in Enlightened:
Knowing my luck, systemd will have usurped all X functionality by the time Xfce finally sinks.
That, or it will be moving on to try to engulf the whole of Microsoft Exchange instead. There's no telling what systemd will do next!
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@flabdablet said in Enlightened:
I've really been enjoying Xfce since the GNOME 3 disaster rendered GNOME unusable, but am sadly aware that as GTK subsides into its own self-built tarpit it's going to drag Xfce under as well. With any luck, LXQt will be mature enough to jump to by the time Xfce finally sinks.
Comments like this remind me why I like Windows. I don't have time to worry about what desktop environment I'm using, the current politics of the distribution I chose or whether the latest version is available in my package manager or whether I'll need to compile it from source. It's just Windows and it works
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@Jaloopa said in Enlightened:
whether the latest version is available in my package manager
That's because it isn't. That's not necessarily a bad thing either. Latest ≠ greatest.
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@Jaloopa said in Enlightened:
It's just Windows and it works
When XP came out, users hated it (I think the phase of choice was "tinkertoy UI"). Then Vista, with Aero that made everything crawl. 7 changed very little, but then there was Win8 and 10, with M
etroodern.So no, certainly no UI churn there. And although it almost all worked, I think the overarching this was that users had no choice.
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@dkf said in Enlightened:
it will be moving on to try to engulf the whole of Microsoft Exchange
insteadas well.FTFY
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@tufty said in Enlightened:
So no, certainly no UI churn there
but did the look of XP break applications written for 95? Because it sounds like that's what's happening with GTK.
@tufty said in Enlightened:
the overarching this was that users had no choice
I'd rather have one thing that works than have to research 20 things that mostly work but each have a bit of a flaw in different areas
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@Jaloopa said in Enlightened:
did the look of XP break applications written for 95?
It broke a few that made incorrect assumptions about the overall size of the window vs. the size of the content region. Can't remember what they were, but I do remember being slightly annoyed more than once by clipped-in-half lines of text. Turning the XP theme off always fixed it though.
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@tufty said in Enlightened:
it almost all worked
I suppose, if you squint and put it in a coal cellar with the light switched off.
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@Jaloopa said in Enlightened:
@flabdablet said in Enlightened:
I've really been enjoying Xfce since the GNOME 3 disaster rendered GNOME unusable, but am sadly aware that as GTK subsides into its own self-built tarpit it's going to drag Xfce under as well. With any luck, LXQt will be mature enough to jump to by the time Xfce finally sinks.
Comments like this remind me why I like Windows. I don't have time to worry about what desktop environment I'm using, the current politics of the distribution I chose or whether the latest version is available in my package manager or whether I'll need to compile it from source. It's just Windows and it works
It's only flabby that has this type of problems, because of his . Cool kids simply use GNOME or KDE or Unity, whatever got installed by default and are happy. :]
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@Jaloopa said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
whatever got installed by default
Which is Windows for most people :P
Hey, I said cool kids, not sheeple! :P
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@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Cool kids simply use GNOME or KDE or Unity, whatever got installed by default
That's true. The cool kids have never been the smart ones.
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@flabdablet said in Enlightened:
@kt_ said in Enlightened:
Cool kids simply use GNOME or KDE or Unity, whatever got installed by default
That's true. The cool kids have never been the smart ones.
THAT'S LIES THAT'S ALL LIES WHY ARE YOU LYING STOP LYING YOU LIE ALL THE TIME YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT!!!!1111!!!!11111!!!!
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@kt_ Careful there, sailor. Wouldn't want to blow your cool.
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@flabdablet said in Enlightened:
@kt_ Careful there, sailor. Wouldn't want to blow your cool.
YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE LIKE ME FEEL! IF I SAY IT'S OFFENSIVE IT IS OFFENSIVE AND DEAL WITH IT!!!!1111
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GNOME KDE Cinnamon Unity Xfce
I wonder if the big number of desktop systems creates competition and motivation or is it a waste of effort because everything gets implemented N times.
Theoretically all those people could develop one desktop system N times faster, but experience shows that more people does not necessarily makes the software better.
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@Adynathos said in Enlightened:
Theoretically all those people could develop one desktop system N times faster
and the chance of their efforts resulting in a desktop system that I like would be N times lower.
Strength in diversity.
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Putting this in here because the other thread seems to be buried somewhere:
First read this:
Sounds nice, doesn't it?
But one of the commenters does obviously speak Korean and has a bit of a different translation:
Samsung is NOT giving a discount for the next gen.
Maybe google translated website is misleading.
This is what Samsung is doing in S. Korea:
They’ll exchange current Note 7 users for S7 (with some incentives up-front, about 88 USD discount).
Then, the user will have to pay for that S7 in 24 equal payment over the next 2 years. (so far, as usual)
However, those users are given a chance to return their S7’s and upgrade to next-gens (like S8 or Note after a year. Then the rest of their installment plan for S7 ( which is now an year left) will not be charged.
However, the users are now then transferred to another 24 months of installment for that next-gen phones.
This is pretty much like renting S7 for half the price for a whole year.
With two year contract, the phones still cost 800 USDs in Korea (Instead, we get much cheaper minute/data than the US. So eventually we end up paying similar).
So you’re basically paying 400 to use S7 for one year until you give it up for another contract for another 2 years.
People are extremely mad about this announcement. Samsung is not GIVING you S7 for the half the price (unlike that Reuter articles says.) Samsung is basically lending you S7 for a year at the half the price of what it costs.