The most desirable IT skill is...
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So I had a job interview yesterday. Required some train travel. Realised did not want job, did not get job. Never mind.
Anyway, so I'm on the train reading the free paper you can pick up at all train stations to see an advert for Indeed. Indeed is a fairly irritating one-stop-shop for job applications.
And they had a list of 'most desirable IT skills currently in the market'.
I should have taken a photo of this because I was shocked. Sure, I expected AJAX and MVC to be on the list. Did not expect CAD on the list. I definitely did not expect to hear that PHP was the single most desirable technical skill currently in the UK or at least in the south east.
I mean... wtf.
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Seriously though - it does sound like maybe it's just been written by some HR drone who's looked up some buzz words or read them on a CV somewhere.
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I definitely did not expect to hear that PHP was the single most desirable technical skill currently in the UK or at least in the south east
That should either boost your ego quite a bit or make you question the validity of those papers...
And not wanting to crush your possible ego-boost... but ... meh...Filed Under: Did they also have a list with the most unwanted skills where PHP also had the lead?
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Actually, they didn't publish that. Can't imagine why.
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reading the free paper you can pick up at all train stations
It's owned by the Daily Fail; what else did you expect‽
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I'd guess the advert was designed to get the most people to send in their
resuméCV so it'll be the list of most common "skills" in their database ofslavesclients.
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I do not believe this post without evidence.
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I do not believe this post with
outevidence.Preemptively FTFY :P
Sorry, I'm being a dick here.
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Well, yes, it's the Metro but it passes the time while on the train.
Sorry blakey, I didn't take a picture. But I'm on the trains again tomorrow so odds are I will pick up the Metro again.
That said, the discussion I've had with recruiters... kind of suggests that actually it might be legit. But anecdotal evidence does not convince shoulder aliens, of course.
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@blakeyrat said:
I do not believe this post with
outevidence.Preemptively FTFY :P
Sorry, I'm being a dick here.
Welcome to the club of regular members
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I do not see it as being that improbable. There are lots and lots of jobs and openings here that require PHP experience. It may be a shitty language, but that has never stopped it from being ubiquitous. It is everywhere. There are lots and lots of WordPress and Joomla chop shops in every single city.
Personally, I think that the most desirable IT skill is the ability to keep yourself from choke-slamming someone who has just changed requirements for the 18th time and still expects the same deadline to hold true. But that's me.
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Yes, pretty much this.
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Geez, what's it been, 5 years now that he's doing re-runs? I hope nobody's donating.
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Not me. I just 'borrow creatively'.
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I definitely did not expect to hear that PHP was the single most desirable technical skill currently in the UK or at least in the south east.
We screwed ourselves over bigtime over the years, and are now stuck with that.
Geez, what's it been, 5 years now that he's doing re-runs?
What's even the point of doing re-runs on a comic which has a full archive? I mean, it's as if Netflix started posting the GoT or whatever episodes again under a new header. Nobody really cares.
Granted, it was a fun comic while it lasted. Easily one of the best around in my opinion.
Filed under: not counting MFD obviously
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Granted, it was a fun comic while it lasted.
Every 2-3 years I am reminded of it and check to see if it's restarted. Not that I've checked to see why he quit but I always buttumed he'd restart it at some point.
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Lists like these betray an innocent fascination with the industry. Naturally, it should be taken with a grain of salt.
It's like hearing your mother talking about how she's "surfing the World Wide Web."
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Granted, it was a fun comic while it lasted. Easily one of the best around in my opinion.
... what? You mean UserFriendly? You actually... didn't hate it?
Here's "today's" comic:
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My talks with our recruiters indicate that PHP is the most common ask. It's also the most common flavor of developer.
.net asks, particularly good C# developers and all portions of the framework that aren't client facing Web tech are the places where demand most outstrips supply.
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I have had a lot of people asking if the fact I know MVC means I know C# too but far below the demand I had for PHP.
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PHP will get you a job. C# will get you a job where you can negotiate aggressively. If you're good, anyway.
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I have been negotiating already on this score ;)
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You also save the expense of having to buy a happiness pistol.
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Reminds me of a job ad I read around late 1997/early 1998:
"Requirement: Must have at least 5 years experience in Windows 95."
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The recruiting agency that contacted DHH asking about his Rails experience.
Recruiter: How many years of Rails experience do you have?
DHH: ALL OF THEM
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PHP is most popular for the some reasons that you'll need more grocery store shelf stockers than Stephen Hawkings.
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That and WordPress.
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I think many of us would have the same reaction to Point-Of-Sale systems.
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http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kill_it_with_fire.gif
I don't disagree but the reality is that unlike most of what our industry turns out, users actually want to use it because despite its WTF level clocking off the charts under the hood, it is friendly to use - ordinary people who don't want or need to care about how it works get to use it and can use it without any intervention from us to make that work.
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I think it's probably pretty accurate to be honest.
If you are starting up a business making websites, you look at things and say "wow, if I want to use microsoft technologies I need to buy visual studio licenses for my staff, that's £500-£1000 each! per year! Minimum!" (VS online or MSDN professional). "If I use PHP, its essentially free! FREE IS WAY BETTER THAN GOOD! GET ME PHP DEVELOPERS NOOOOOOOW!"
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You read it here first.
PHP is the F2P/Microtransactions/"Sorry you've used up your free lines of code limit, come back in an hour to get some new lines, or buy some sunflower coins to spend in our lines shop!" language of the software development world.
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Pretty much, and only remember that PHP grew to any kind of prominence basically because it wasn't Perl. That alone should tell you how messed up this situation is.
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Perl was/is too hard for most PHP developers I've met. The thing that got PHP an advance (I remember, I almost drank that Kool-Aid) was embedding code inside HTML which CGI didn't allow.
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PHP grew to any kind of prominence basically because it wasn't Perl
Well,
mod_php
helped a bit...Ok, you can expand "not Perl" to include that, but I think it was less about the language and more about PHP not being a PITA to get running and stay relatively secure at the same time.
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Yeah, basically PHP's rise to dominance came out of the fact it wasn't Perl and... it wasn't Perl.
On the one hand, it wasn't Perl's level of complex power. You can do a lot in Perl because it's crazy powerful but way beyond your average PHP dev's level to adapt and cope. So it's more idiot friendly (and you can do a lot of shit wrong in it)
On the other hand, it was a ton easier to get running safely(ish) than Perl and you don't have the mentality of 'everything must be in cgi-bin folder' (even if it isn't true these days it was the done thing back then)
So yeah, basically PHP came to dominance because it wasn't Perl
Fun bonus fact: I went from ASP Classic / VBScript to PHP and felt like it was a step up.
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Fun bonus fact: I went from ASP Classic / VBScript to PHP and felt like it was a step up.
You're still a long way down from where I am (ASP.NET MVC with Razor)
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Oh, I do MVC in PHP with or without a pre-existing framework (fun fact: I put down on my CV I can do MVC because I can... the amount of C# jobs I've had from recruiters that do not understand MVC is not actually a language )
The reality is that I have had multiple opportunities to get into ASP.NET and I have had zero interest in actually doing so.
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When not using Java I get to use a language that isn't Visual Basic 4.0 but is based on Visual Basic 4.0.
Bleeding edge technology in 1996.
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The reality is that I have had multiple opportunities to get into ASP.NET and I have had zero interest in actually doing so.
It's a pretty good framework. As with anything, it has its fair share of WTFs, but at least you can use C# with itActually, you can probably use PHP with it too, if you can find a suitable compiler toolchain
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I know MS were doing some work with Zend about that, but if I were actually planning on using .NET you know I'd actually get good at C# instead.
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ASP.NET and I have had zero interest in actually doing so.
Same here.
Or any other web tech. I like my desktop apps
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Oh, I like web just fine, and being good at PHP gives me a leg up on the competition
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I haven't done a huge amount in web, but what I have seen just seems messy