Encryption: Lets ban it, what can go wrong?
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Zscaler
- No hardware or software required
I guess it just works without an OS or ethernet cables, then.
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And it does pie charts! How good is that?
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My isp kills my connection on my phone if I turn on the wireless hotspot feature and then connect a PC/laptop/tablet.
Interesting. Who's that? AT&T and Sprint will simply tell you you aren't paying for that feature and then turn it right back off. (In the past, I was able to use Cyanogenmod or other roms to bypass this.)
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nope. nope nope. not clicking poast that intro... nope. do not want to know the answer.
OMG, you never heard of Bonsai Kitten? That caused all sorts of outrage like...ten years ago?...because people didn't realize it was a fake. One of the earliest Internet hoaxes I remember making it out into regular peoples' consciousness.
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i've never been big into /b/ (and probably never will) or reddit (i'm fixing that lately, but good luck guessing my handle on that site)
did it make waves elsewhere?
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It's even older than I thought: 2000. I don't think reddit was around then, lol. This is before most people outside of college knew what the Internet really was, but people who didn't use it heard of the site.
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2000..... that was back in early HS or maybe middle school.... when did i graduate HS again?
eeh... either way i had no computer back then, and my internet access was rather tightly regulated on the family PC
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According to Wikipedia, to this day it takes people in.
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According to Wikipedia, to this day it takes people in.
a little from column A and a little from column 2 for me.
i was pretty sure it was a hoax, but i was insufficiently motivated to confirm as i found the idea of overreacting funnier.
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did it make waves elsewhere?
Was it a thing on /b/ and reddit? I've never looked at those other than following a random link.
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Was it a thing on /b/ and reddit?
No fracking clue. but they seem to be the places something like that is most likely to explode into pop culture today.
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Was it a thing on /b/ and reddit?
wikipedia says reddit was founded in 2005, so they would have missed the original appeareance of BK. It says 4chan started in 2003 as well, so....
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I think I remember it seeing it as an email thing, first. That could be wrong. It was a long time ago.
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I think I remember it seeing it as an email thing, first.
That would've been the most likely way people would have heard of it at the time.
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Interesting. Who's that?
Three/3, or Hutchison 3G UK Limited. UK mobile (I)SP. Very respectable rates with unlimited data as standard (actual unlimited, not "unlimited" 500MB max) excellent pay as you go plans. Terrible customer service, and no interest in customer loyalty.
(In the past, I was able to use Cyanogenmod or other roms to bypass this.)
This is probably why it was introduced. It was easily circumvented in the past in the ways you describe (and they don't always get to control what is on a handset in the UK, due to contract resellers like the carphone warehouse who source their own handsets, which would also prevent that working) so they had to do so at a lower level. There is an explanation of how they do it on the internet somewhere, but I don't know where.
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This is before most people outside of college knew what the Internet really was
You kidding? I remember getting internet at my parents house in 1997 (or was it 1998?).
Oh wait. Guess I wasn't "most people."
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You kidding? I remember getting internet at my parents house in 1997 (or was it 1998?).
Oh wait. Guess I wasn't "most people."
We had crappy dial-up in ~1993. Well, it did not seem crappy at the time. I had broadband DSL in ~1999?
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I remember getting internet at my parents house in 1997 (or was it 1998?).
I was definitely not "most people." My first exposure to the Internet (USENET) was 1983-84. Had dial-up access from home from ~1988. First heard of some newfangled feature called the World Wide Web in probably 1992 or 1993, but did not have access to it; my ISP charged extra for SLIP connections, and it sounded to me at the time like a fad of no value. First access to WWW from work about '95 or '96.Oh wait. Guess I wasn't "most people."
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We had crappy dial-up in ~1993
I had Internet via college in 1989, and dialup possibly as early as '92. But as @abarker belatedly realized, we're not "most people".
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You kidding? I remember getting internet at my parents house in 1997 (or was it 1998?).
Oh wait. Guess I wasn't "most people."
Since we're saying how old we are... I was on the Internet in the late 1980's at SUNY@Buffalo. They were connected early enough that they were granted a class "A" address. I had 1Mb/s high speed at home in 1995.
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I never really said how old I was. For all you know, I was a slacker 25 year old living with my parents at the time. Or I was only 5. Of course, I have mentioned that I got a little brother in '85, so I was at least 12 in '97
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How many people here ever used a "bang path" for email? How many even know what that is?
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Something like com!example!tar, wasn't it?
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Wasn't it more like
someserver!anotherserver!thirdserver!destinationserver
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No, more like widely_known_computer!other_computer!other_computer2!your_mail_server!user.
You might publicize a few such paths from one or more widely_known_computers (such as ucbvax, attvax1 or slacvm) with one or more strings of other_computers to get to your_mail_server, because if any one computer in the path was down, the mail wouldn't get to you. If you were lucky, the sender got a bounce message, but equally likely was that the email would simply vanish into a black hole.
1 I'm not at all sure I remember the name of this one correctly; it's been a looooong time.
Edit: Hanzo'd by @PleegWat, who has it almost right, except the last element is the user on the destinationserver.
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That MITM on SMTP was already debunked from the category of "teh evil ISPs!" when the article first surfaced. Anyone who has set up Cisco PIXes or ASAs (security appliances) knows that by default the appliance will try to turn off STARTTLS. This happened to us as well a few years ago when we had them. (Since then we've ditched our overpriced Cisco hardware.)
I think Cisco did this by default because an appliance that can't see traffic isn't very useful at monitoring for and mitigating intrusions. So either the ISP set up some security device and didn't consider the consequences, or even the owner of the remote server may have put their server behind a security appliance.
The other cute thing was that the PIX would replace the server name sent in the HELO or EHLO line. Somehow this caused a remote mail server to hang on SMTP connections coming from our mail server. Those guys have always run some weird mail server that does crazy things like drop emails with certain characters in the From address (dots or dashes or something you wouldn't think of). Any way, that's what led to us to discovering out that the PIXes were modifying SMTP traffic going to/from our mail server (ie, reading the manual...).
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How many people here ever used a "bang path" for email? How many even know what that is?
Personally, I've been using SMTP based mail since I the mid 80's. But, I converted a lot of companies from cc:Mail to Microsoft Exchange in the late 90's.
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No, more like widely_known_computer!other_computer!other_computer2!your_mail_server!user.
You might publicize a few such paths from one or more widely_known_computers (such as ucbvax, attvax1 or slacvm) with one or more strings of other_computers to get to your_mail_server, because if any one computer in the path was down, the mail wouldn't get to you. If you were lucky, the sender got a bounce message, but equally likely was that the email would simply vanish into a black hole.
Ah, yes. Bang paths, a.k.a. source-routed email. One of the things killed by the Internet, and thank god in this case! (The internet's killer app is definitely DNS.) The only reason it worked at all was the startling power of small-world networks.
The last vestiges of it are found in USENET paths (i.e., the
Path:
header) and the route there describes the series of machines that messages have been relayed through. It's ceased to be of much relevance though, and the equivalent function in email is now largely served byReceived:
headers (though they carry a lot more metadata).
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Terrible customer service, and no interest in customer loyalty
Trying to cancel a contract with 3, I was repeatedly blocked by the Indian on the other end who was trying his damnedest to stop me leaving, under the guise of "I'm just trying to help you save money". I ended up saying "no, you're trying a hard sell, and if you won't let me leave I want to talk to a supervisor". That got me out in the end.
Another time they tried to stop me leaving, they put me on a £20 a month, 12 month contract and credited my account with £235, effectively giving me a year for a fiver. I think I gave that sim card to my brother since I already had a new contract.
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Maybe you spend a lot more than me, but I found a cheaper deal on the 3 network through another supplier and they had no interest in matching it, they tried the hard sell in just the same way (just repeating "please put me through to the cancellation team" or similar regardless of what they said worked for me). I couldn't see how they can't match a contract that's only £3 a month cheaper than their offering (for the exact same contract and handset), particularly as I had been a customer on a £40 a month contract for 2 years prior...
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When selecting text on Android, I think the quote button only comes up if you move the end marker before the start one.
You don't need to worry about that one: just press the normal reply button.
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Seems that doesn't work with my Firefox for Android...
The reply window is still empty.
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Anyone who has set up Cisco PIXes or ASAs (security appliances) knows that by default the appliance will try to turn off STARTTLS
The other cute thing was that the PIX would replace the server name sent in the HELO or EHLO line. Somehow this caused a remote mail server to hang on SMTP connections coming from our mail server. Those guys have always run some weird mail server that does crazy things like drop emails with certain characters in the From address (dots or dashes or something you wouldn't think of). Any way, that's what led to us to discovering out that the PIXes were modifying SMTP traffic going to/from our mail server (ie, reading the manual...).
Filed under: dumb default configurations
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Confirm. Firefox for Android does not work. I'm lazy and usually use Chrome but did install Firefox on my Nexus 4 for testing something else.
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How many people here ever used a "bang path" for email? How many even know what that is?
*shudder*
"Ok, I know you are on machine. How do I get there from here..."
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Does also depend on who you get, how close they are to their targets etc.
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How many people here ever used a "bang path" for email? How many even know what that is?
I've never had one but I knew what they were because people used to put them in their signatures.
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Another time they tried to stop me leaving, they put me on a £20 a month, 12 month contract and credited my account with £235, effectively giving me a year for a fiver.
Back in the early days of satellite TV we had an On Digital (I think) box. I don't know if they were generally hopeless or if there was an issue in our area but the reception was terrible. I was always dropping out.
I phoned customer service to cancel our subscription and arrange collection of the box and the best offer I got (and turned down) was a year's subscription for £1.
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On Digital was terrible, and not satellite. It's terrestrial TV - the thing that became ITV Digital then Freeview.
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And still terrible.
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I've had cable for so long I can't even remember how Freeview is/was.
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Freesat is vastly better than Freeview.
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I've never had that.
Had Sky years ago, then Freeview for a couple of years, then CATV ever since.
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virgin media
very much a case of "their customer care/service sucks, but they are the only game in town when it comes to acceptable internet speeds"
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Other than a couple of minor WTFs documented here, I've never had too much of an issue with their customer service.
The customer service for the other big Telcos isn't much better.
VM come higher with some of the Ofcom stuff than the others for customer service.
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I'm on TalkTalk. Was connected a month or so late since they lost their records of my appointment. They then forgot to tell my last ISP that I was transferring and instead connected a new line for me, leading to a month of being double billed for internet.
Apart from that, they're pretty good
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Was connected a month or so late since they lost their records of my appointment. They then forgot to tell my last ISP that I was transferring and instead connected a new line for me, leading to a month of being double billed for internet.
That's pretty normal for one of the big Telcos.