The thread of movie titles and absence of badges. In previous episodes, it was signs you're getting older, chiropractic vs. medicine, atheism vs. Mormonism and religion vs. science with no existentialism nor philosophy thrown in
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For example, education. Why should it be nationalized?
There is value in having national standards for assessment of education, so that people can take their qualifications from one place and have them be understood for what they are elsewhere. The rest of it? Fundamentally not a federal matter I'd've thought.
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At this point, I think the most healthy thing to do would be to reduce the federal power and let the states decide on domestic issues.
At this point, I think the healthiest thing to do would be to clean house and get rid of every single politician and start out fresh.
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Everything outside of practical skills should be elective. Period.
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Sadly, this is something that almost everyone can agree with.
Not exactly. But when people hear the phrase "listen to constituents," they understand "listen to me." How do you deal with constituents who don't agree? What if several guys' constituents agree within their own districts / states but disagree with other guys' constituents?
ZOMG! Government isn't doing what I want! Gridlock! Evil corporate/special interests must be to blame!
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Fundamentally not a federal matter I'd've thought.
As with soooooo many things. But bit by bit, the Feds have gotten their fingers into stuff.
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I'm not saying no standardized education.
Just that, the portion that is standardized should end sometime before the end of middle school.And even then, the standard should be passing a test, not curriculum.
Everything after that, should apply to the local market.
If you don't want to work in the local market, you can go to college out of town/state. You'll have to take remedial market-targeted classes, but you'll have that option.
The reason I say all this, is because once you have your first job, you'll have mobility to take another job elsewhere. But students are not prepared for their first job.
If they can be prepared for their first job right out of highschool, they can enter the workforce with REAL SKILLS.
College should only be for extensive education (for things like med-school), which means that college ALL becomes trade-school, and redirection of skills (in the case that you want to earn skills for a non-local market). Not for earning first time skills for your first job..
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But bit by bit, the Feds have gotten their fingers into stuff.
And the Supreme Court let them get away with calling just about anything "interstate commerce," thus subject to Federal regulation.
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I could make those arguments.
Abortions are interstate commerce, because often PP busses underage kids across state borders and without parental consent. Therefore, interstate.... commerce.
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the standard should be passing a test, not curriculum
The way this normally goes is that the tests are all fairly standardised, teachers get to know what will be tested for, then the obvious way to proceed is to "teach to the test". In practice it's no different to a curriculum
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Which is why it needs to end in middle school.
Again, I'm not against standardized skills, but we need to spend less time on them.
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Coincidentally relevant, sort of:
SpectateSwamp:
People will hate learning no more!!!
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And the Supreme Court let them get away with calling just about anything "interstate commerce," thus subject to Federal regulation.
Well, that terminology is pretty nebulous. Back in the day, when people conducted commerce across state lines by means of horse, it was sufficient. Then came trains, automobiles, semis (lorries for those across the pond), and now the internet. Now it is more difficult to find something that is not "interstate commerce".
Not that I agree with the Supreme Court mind you. It is just that I am a bit of a contrarian.
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Well, that terminology is pretty nebulous. Back in the day, when people conducted commerce across state lines by means of horse, it was sufficient. Then came trains, automobiles, semis (lorries for those across the pond), and now the internet.
Nevertheless, they included growing wheat for your own personal use to be interstate commerce. WTF Supreme Court, WTF?
This is a great example of why we shouldn't simply appeal to their authority about what the law should mean.
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They have ONE job.
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Well, that terminology is pretty nebulous.
The decision I'm thinking of — I can't remember the name of the case — involved a farmer growing a crop for use entirely on his own farm. This was "interstate commerce" because, "if everybody did that, it could potentially affect prices in interstate markets."
Edit: Hanzo'd
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A more sensible interpretation (to me) would be that we're limiting the sort of things states can impose on parties in other states when importing / exporting. I suspect it was always mostly about taxation, which makes a ton of sense.
Fuck you, Supreme Court.
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They have ONE job.
Yes, and they do it very well. Hint: the job isn't what you think it is.
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The way this normally goes is that the tests are all fairly standardised, teachers get to know what will be tested for, then the obvious way to proceed is to "teach to the test".
In-fucking-deed!
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clean house and get rid of every single politician and start out fresh.
Throw all their tea into the harbour!
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PP busses underage kids across state borders
Who is "PP"? The only remotely on-topic expansion I can find is People's Party (Spain).
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Who is "PP"? The only remotely on-topic expansion I can find is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_(Spain)">People's Party (Spain)</a>.
Planned Parenthood
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<a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stopped_clock">Stopped clock?</a>
No, just Swampy's usual blathering; there's nothing remotely right about saying that SSDS will cause people not to hate learning. It's just coincidence that he happened to post it while were having this discussion.
INB4: There's nothing remotely right about SSDS.
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In-fucking-deed!
It not's fair to bring up the Worst of the Worst.
A school system whose graduation rates are in the same range as everybody's else's dropout rates.
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dropout rates.
School of Life (Formerly Known as the School of Hard Knocks) Drop Out Rate: 100%
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In this case, it's high taxes to support an ever growing welfare system.
High taxes that only seem to affect the middle class.
60% do not pay taxes, indeed.
So the equivalent would be what?
Burning down the welfare offices? Can't do that.
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Your taxation rate probably varies inversely with the amount of political influence you hold...
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Good thought, but reverse it.
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Correlation is not causation?
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60% do not pay taxes, indeed.
Rubbish. What conservative rag are you getting that statistic from and what selective criteria did they use for their evaluation?
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40% tax rate ~> not paying tax on 60% of your income?
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40% tax rate ~> not paying tax on 60% of your income?
.... well....... i suppose that is one interpretation.... but if you took that interpretation then the effective tax rate you are ainimg for is 100%..... and that doesn't add up.
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but if you took that interpretation then the effective tax rate you are ainimg for is 100%..... and that doesn't add up.
But Bill O'Reilly said that if the tax rate were raised to 100%, then commerce would stop. So raising tax rates is always a bad thing. This is the kind of logic that the idiots on the right say.
There are idiots on the left that say equally stupid things. I just thought of that one at this moment.
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There are idiots on the left that say equally stupid things. I just thought of that one at this moment.
i never could keep track of the whole left-v-right metaphore (or the donkey elephant one)
who is which side now?
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left-v-right metaphor
I think that one was carefully designed to prevent meaningful public debate on any political affairs.
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I think that one was carefully designed to prevent meaningful public debate on any political affairs.
I think politics was designed to prevent that.
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I think that one was carefully designed to prevent meaningful public debate on any political affairs.
weren't they all designed to reinforce and perpetuate the us vs them dualism? if youo aren't with us then you must be an enemy!
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Wasn't motivated enough to fix them...
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[b]Proposal:[/b] anyone who wants to stand for political office should be banned from standing for political office.
Discuss..
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"He who wishes for power for himself..... is unfit to wield it"
yeah. that sounds about right. :-P
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Well, except that we humans become gerbils with opposable thumbs. They just need big wheels at the gym instead of treadmills and ellipticals.
If they had those I bet more people would go to the gym. I'd prefer a Habitrail, though.
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anyone who wants to stand for political office should be banned from standing for political office.
Only problem is we still need someone in charge, people being what they are. Otherwise, good plan.
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He may not have had a choice.
In Japan, there are qualifications for Acupuncture and Moxibustion (burning of patient's flesh) together. It is a 3-4 year university major costing 4-5 million in total.
Instead, anyone can be a chiropracter without any course or training, so they are all quacks.
It's strange to hear that Acupuncture and Chiropractice are linked in America.
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School of Life (Formerly Known as the School of Hard Knocks) Drop Out Rate: 100%
[Quote="Captain Blackadder"]
I, on the other hand, am a fully rounded human being with a degree from the university of life, a diploma from the school of hard knocks, and three gold stars from the kindergarten of getting the shit kicked out of me.
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not entirely what i meant, but points for quoting Black Adder.
i rather meant that life ends, and ....\
aaah. the joke's ruined!
ruined i say!
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not entirely what i meant, but points for quoting Black Adder.
i rather meant that life ends, and ....</blockquote>
I didn't mean to ruin the joke
Have a more applicable quote
[Quote="Fight Club"]
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
[/quote]Filed under: Maybe I need to stop reading Dr Seuss to the kids