The e-cigs thread.
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Also, I don't see how something which is burnt to at least 100C can carry any virus or bacteria.
It's not that hot when it comes out of you, and hopefully not when it goes in. The perceived problem isn't with what's in the liquid to start, but what you're putting into it before it comes back out of you.
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haven't yet been banned from doing it in nonsmoking places
I started a few years ago when e-cigs were rarer. When I flew I always asked the cabin crew if I could use it and they always said yes after I explained what it was.
On my last flight (after a couple of years gap) it turned out they're now banned on the aircraft (BA) but still allowed in the terminal. As long as you aren't being inconsiderate and making visible vapour I can't see the harm.
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As long as you aren't being inconsiderate and making visible vapour I can't see the harm.
That's exactly the problem. You can't see the harm with the invisible vapor.<Won't someone think of the invisible children‽
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Everyone, stop breathing, I can't see the harm from your breath! You filthy bastards are going to kill boomzilla
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I have been keeping an eye out for studies of exhaled e-cig vapour and there isn't really lot of peer-reviewed data.
The best seems to be this one: http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/6/655
The levels of exhaled nicotine seem to be so low that you would not reach the Recommended Exposure Limit of 0.5 mg/m3 in any reasonably sized space.
Edit: It IS a good point though. More data is needed to confirm that e-cigs are safe for the users and third parties.
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I have been keeping an eye out for studies of exhaled e-cig vapour and there isn't really lot of peer-reviewed data.
Unsafe at any concentration, no doubt.
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Man, if anyone comes to you worried about the amount of anything produced, even by smokers, they should move to some rural area all far away from any car that's around since those are real air polluters. So sad to see all those people running on any city feeling so healthy and getting themselves a huge case of lung cancer.
Funny thing, smoking in parking lots is banned in some countries.
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they should move to some rural area all far away from any car that's around since those are real air polluters.
Diesel engines are particular sinners, especially if they lack particle traps. though it turns out that the size of the particles matters too. IIRC, it's PM10s that are the problem range: larger and they get filtered out before the lungs fairly effectively (much larger and they don't travel that far) and significantly smaller and they don't stay in the lungs. With something like this, expect dosages and hence effects to vary strongly with proximity to major roads.
But living next to a major road is shitty for other reasons too. Noise for one…
[heading back to topic; because] Smoking has the distinction of transferring the pollutants directly to your airways; there's no diluting effect of distance to speak of. Ecigs don't seem to produces the same range of problem materials, excluding nicotine. The reduction in inhaled tars and carbon monoxide — both known to be highly toxic, and obviously so — will pretty much inevitably make them a lot better in health terms. And they certainly don't stink nearly so badly for other people, speaking for myself as a non-smoker from direct experience (though smelling better than old smoke is a low hurdle to pass indeed).
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Sure, you can't really compare both and I agree that smoking is bad, but when you reach the level of paranoia of some people, is simply absurd.
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Sure, you can't really compare both and I agree that smoking is bad, but when you reach the level of paranoia of some people, is simply absurd.
It's the people who feel they are on a Mission from
GodThe Flying Spaghetti Monster who are the worst. “We reject X because otherwise it might possibly be used to construct an argument for Y which could support the thing we are against.” Bah.
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Why is such a simple thing so complicated? People can't use an e-cig without knowing what an ohm is?
They can. You just need to buy a right heater for your battery, which basically boils down to "1.8 of those funny Greek letter thingy" anytime you go replace one.
It's a little pocket-sized machine that vaporizes a bit of liquid. This is not a kind of thing that should have accessories.
There's simple, plug-and-play stuff, and then there's a whole variety for advanced users. A bare bones setup doesn't have a lot of accessories - you get a battery, a tank for your liquid, and the tank has a heating element, which you need to replace once in a while, because it gets clogged and nasty. Or clean, with diminishing results though.
Also, that resistors matter.
Just as far as basic physics is concerned. You want more power, but don't want to risk a breakdown - use a high-resistance coil and higher voltage.
Yeah, most of the ones I've seen at petrol stations are tiny clearomisers with mechanical batteries.
I thought those were still cartomisers (i.e. with cotton or whatever it is)? Those sucked.
Why don't you just hold the button down longer if you need a -- oh nevermind, people are fucking crazy, is the end-result of this conversation.
Because you're gonna overheat before it delivers enough of a hit. Or something.
it's carried on water vapor
Propylene glycol vapor. Water is barely involved. </pedantry>
and I bet no two companies produce compatible models yet, so it's all vendor lock-in,
Sorta. It used to be that every battery had a different cap, but that's mostly changed. When you buy a clearomiser, you're still mostly limited to coils from the same vendor.
(though smelling better than old smoke is a low hurdle to pass indeed).
You have never smoked a good cigar or cigarillo, then. As much as they try to fake the tobacco taste, it tends to smell like sweetened crap.
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You have never smoked a good cigar or cigarillo, then.
I don't smoke at all. My choice.
My grandmother's second husband used to smoke good cigars. They were OK immediately, but stank the place out very shortly afterwards. For people other than the smoker, e-cigs smell enormously better.
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My grandmother's second husband used to smoke good cigars. They were OK immediately, but stank the place out very shortly afterwards.
Stale smoke is terrible. Pretty much all of my cigar smoking happened outside. Smoking during a nice evening walk is a great treat.
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Propylene glycol vapor. Water is barely involved.
Yay, inhaling antifreeze!!
though propylene glycol is considered a non-toxic antifreeze /self-pedantry
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though propylene glycol is considered a non-toxic antifreeze /self-pedantry
And how many people just go "OMG it's glycol this shit's toxic!" before checking that it's not ethylene glycol...
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And how many people just go "OMG it's glycol this shit's toxic!" before checking that it's not ethylene glycol...
I'd imagine most of them go "gly-what?"
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And how many people just go "OMG it's glycol this shit's toxic!" before checking that it's not ethylene glycol...
it's amazing how much difference that one extra carbon in the chain makes.
See also the difference between toxicity of Methyl Alcohol and Ethyl Alcohol
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See also the difference between toxicity of Methyl Alcohol and Ethyl Alcohol
I'm keen on studying the toxicity of ethyl alcohol…
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meet me at Gritty's at 1600 and i'll help you in your studies.
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it's amazing how much difference that one extra carbon in the chain makes.
See also the difference between toxicity of Methyl Alcohol and Ethyl Alcohol
I am going to take a wild guess that Jenny McCarthy would not see the difference.
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@Intercourse said:
Jenny McCarthy
.... if your wikipedia page states your carreer starts with you being a nude model for playboy then i'm not going to count you as a bright one. a 25 watt at best. probably closer to a 5 watt.
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Yeah, but 5 watt + 5 watt is 10 watt, right?
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If you add up all of the 5w anti-vaccine people, you do not end up with a power plant, you end up with an energy (intelligence) sink. The effects are not additive, it tends to be a net loss.
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If you're talking like compact florescents, 25 watts would be blinding.
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@Intercourse said:
If you add up all of the 5w anti-vaccine people
I wasn't considering multiple people, just basic anatomy.
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If you're talking like compact florescents, 25 watts would be blinding.
Eventually, after the shitty bulbs warmed up. LEDs, now...
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Ahhhhh, so like 5w = 34C? We are on the same wavelength now.
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Eventually, after the shitty bulbs warmed up.
Oh yeah. That 8 milliseconds of warm-up time is sure horrifying. Why, today I turned on my bathroom light, and an electrical signal almost traversed the entire length of my optic nerve before the room was lit!
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If you're talking like compact florescents, 25 watts would be blinding.
i'm referring to incandesants, but still since you mention it.
.... if your wikipedia page states your carreer starts with you being a nude model for playboy then i'm not going to count you as a bright one. a 375 lumens at best. probably closer to a 75 lumens.
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I'm not sure which of us is the troll here, but I approve.
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Oh yeah. That 8 milliseconds of warm-up time is sure horrifying. Why, today I turned on my bathroom light, and an electrical signal almost traversed the entire length of my optic nerve before the room was lit!
The compact fluorescents that are used for can lights are shit. Ours take several minutes to come up to full power. It is even worse when it is cold outside. Also, the CF in our exterior lights take a long time to come up to temp in the winter. We are slowly replacing them all with LED because of that.
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I don't get the CF hate. Well except for the mercury vapor thing.
We even had CF's in our barns. I mean real barns, with chickens and cattle, not stupid city-people pushmower sheds that look like mini-barns and get called barns. Even if it was like -5 °F outside, those CF's turned on within a couple seconds, and we never had one burn out. This was like 10 years ago too.
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I would imagine that is the difference between selling a huge lighting fixture for several hundred dollars and selling a small bulb for around a buck. It is all about the price point.
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I'm not sure I follow. The CFs we had in our barns were typical indoor light bulbs purchased at Wal-Mart. At the time they probably cost $15 - 20 per bulb.
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Oh, then I have no idea. The ones we have work reasonably well, unless it is cold or they are inverted. Which makes no sense for the can lights, as you would think they would just flip the ballast in the case as almost all of those would be used inverted?
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purchased at Wal-Mart.
-ahem- Well thar's yer problem!
it depends on when you got the CFLs and who made them. some brands were alright, others not so mcuh. looks like you lucked out ant @intercourse cor [fecal matter] ones.
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I bought them all at Costco, which usually has very good products, but perhaps I am wrong on that point?
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@Intercourse said:
but perhaps I am wrong on that point?
not necessarily. as i said it depends on who made the bulbs and when. all the manufacturers had a period when their CFLs were [fecal matter], but none of the major ones had that point at the same time. so there was a year when phillips was great and a year later they were crap, back to good again after another year. same with the other manufacturers. AFAICT there's no real reason for that...
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Oh yeah. That 8 milliseconds of warm-up time is sure horrifying. Why, today I turned on my bathroom light, and an electrical signal almost traversed the entire length of my optic nerve before the room was lit!
I actually like one of the CFLs in my bathroom. It takes a few minutes to get up to full brightness, which is actually very nice when you go in there in the middle of the night or after just waking up in the morning (before sunrise, obviously).
It's true, some CFLs don't take long, but most that I've seen do. And that's before we talk about the horrible light.
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It's true, some CFLs don't take long, but most that I've seen do. And that's before we talk about the horrible light.
My apartment is almost completely furnished with CFL's but I hardly need them because the blue LEDs in my game server's case do a fair job of lighting my entire apartment up to solar corona levels.
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Even if it was like -5 °F outside, those CF's turned on within a couple seconds, and we never had one burn out. This was like 10 years ago too.
MY CFLs seem to have shorter life cycles than incandescents used to in my house. We've been slowly migrating to LEDs, though, so it's less of a problem all the time.
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Haven't tried LED bulbs yet. Last time I looked, which was probably a couple years ago, they were around $40 per bulb which is too rich for my blood.
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I don't get the CF hate.
ColdFusion is only marginally better than PhP IMO. Some of our servers still run on a recent-ish version that mandates that all variables be declared at the top of the function. And tag-based server-side languages are just a terrible idea.
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Haven't tried LED bulbs yet. Last time I looked, which was probably a couple years ago, they were around $40 per bulb which is too rich for my blood.
There are still models like that, but there are also cheaper versions that are decent. You do have to shop around and look for sales and stuff, but the bulbs are definitely better. Instant on, nicer color and low power.
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Now they just need to fix their bulbs for can lights and how they dim. When you hook them to a dimmer, they are only able to dim in steps, which is a bit disconcerting when you do it.
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I'd care if I had any dimmers in my house. Hmmm, that sounded ruder than I intended. Cool.
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For fucks sake, go away offtopics! Light bulbs? Really? I just wanted to see other people e-cig setups. This is why we can't have nice things or thongs.
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thongs
I did not need that image about anyone here. Myself included on that. Where is the brain bleach?
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@Intercourse said:
I did not need that image about anyone here. Myself included on that. Where is the brain bleach?
You have a problem with thongs?
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The blue ones are nice.