Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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Davis added that parents should be careful about what cars they purchase for their teenagers to drive. "The car involved in that collision yesterday was a whole lot of car for an inexperienced driver," he said.
Hold the parents liable for every penny of the damages.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Davis added that parents should be careful about what cars they purchase for their teenagers to drive. "The car involved in that collision yesterday was a whole lot of car for an inexperienced driver," he said.
Hold the parents liable for every penny of the damages.
Yes, but I'd rather see the kid forced to repay every penny - including repaying everything insurance paid out. He'll never learn that actions have consequences otherwise.
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@dcon Yeah, but the kid is a juvenile, so the parents are responsible for his (?; the article avoids that topic) actions. The parents can (try to) make him pay them back. Or, since he's 17, the court could maybe transfer the responsibility to him when he turns 18. That way, both the parents and the kid would see consequences.
And yes, it would probably be the insurance companies who'd go after the parents and/or kid for reimbursement of what they paid out.
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@boomzilla are there no crash barriers on the divider? Around here when there is a divider, there is always a barrier on it (out of town).
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@Bulb no, just a grass median.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Yeah, but the kid is a juvenile, so the parents are responsible for his (?; the article avoids that topic) actions.
Juvenile, not minor, so he should be criminally responsible already, though the parents are still financially liable. And this looked bad enough to deserve some criminal charge.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
are there no crash barriers on the divider
How else is one supposed to get more nitro if not by driving the oncoming?
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb no, just a grass median.
I'd call that a road design anti-pattern. There are barriers on the outside, so why not on the median—running across the median is worse than running out, because outside you just crash yourself while in the other lane you crash into some other innocent people.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'd call that a road design anti-pattern.
This is not the autobahn, you're not supposed to go fast enough to cross the median part.
That driver is an idiot
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Juvenile, not minor
Both. The words are used somewhat interchangeably, although juvenile is sometimes restricted to ages 14–17, and minor can depend on the context: 18 is the age of majority for most purposes in most jurisdictions in the US, but is still a minor (age 21) for purchasing alcohol in many. In any case, 17 is a minor in (almost?) all contexts within the US, and a 17 year old accused of a crime is handled through the juvenile justice system (unless the prosecutor requests and the judge agrees that he/she should be prosecuted as an adult, which would typically occur only for a very serious crime committed with malice, possibly by someone with a extensive history of not being rehabilitated by the juvenile justice system).
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla are there no crash barriers on the divider? Around here when there is a divider, there is always a barrier on it (out of town).
FWIW, this is a parkway running through a metro area with a speed limit of 50 MPH. In their press conference the police gave a speed of 120 MPH for the crashing vehicle.
In recent years they've been adding cable barriers in the medians of some divided highways and similar roadways around here, but most don't have anything.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
There are barriers on the outside
Over here, that's uncommon. Usually there's a ditch, and uncontrolled vehicles bouncing back into traffic is seen as less desirable than them getting stuck in the ditch.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Juvenile, not minor
Both. The words are used somewhat interchangeably, although juvenile is sometimes restricted to ages 14–17, and minor can depend on the context: 18 is the age of majority for most purposes in most jurisdictions in the US, but is still a minor (age 21) for purchasing alcohol in many. In any case, 17 is a minor in (almost?) all contexts within the US, and a 17 year old accused of a crime is handled through the juvenile justice system (unless the prosecutor requests and the judge agrees that he/she should be prosecuted as an adult, which would typically occur only for a very serious crime committed with malice, possibly by someone with a extensive history of not being rehabilitated by the juvenile justice system).
Around here, the corresponding terms have strict legal meanings:
- Minor is under 15, and has basically no legal responsibility and all responsibility is of the parent or guardian.
- Juvenile is 15 to 18, and already has legal responsibility, though is restricted from entering most contracts without approval of the parent or guardian, and the parent or guardian is still liable for damage (since the juvenile has little opportunity to have their own property yet).
So if it was here, I'd expect the driver to get license suspension for a year or two and possibly some deferred jail time, while the parents would be on the hook for the damage caused (as the insurance company would try to wiggle out of paying it since the accident was caused due to gross negligence).
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Around here, the corresponding terms have strict legal meanings:
I think that makes sense, but, for better or worse, it's not how the law works here.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
So if it was here
Of course the other thing is that around here you can't get a driving license before 18 years anyway (except for small motorcycle; that is available from 16).
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
So if it was here
Of course the other thing is that around here you can't get a driving license before 18 years anyway (except for small motorcycle; that is available from 16).
Unless it has changed "recently" () it is 17 here, with a stringent test before you can drive without close supervision.
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@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
So if it was here
Of course the other thing is that around here you can't get a driving license before 18 years anyway (except for small motorcycle; that is available from 16).
Here you can get your learner's permit at 15 and license at 16. Farm kids can get a limited license earlier for doing farm work.
Other vehicles (smaller than cars or motorcycles) are all over the place. I had my snowmobile endorsement when I was 9 or 10.
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@Parody said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Farm kids can get a limited license earlier for doing farm work.
In the US, as long as you are on private land you don't need a license at all.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Parody said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Farm kids can get a limited license earlier for doing farm work.
In the US, as long as you are on private land you don't need a license at all.
IIRC, the farm permit allows them to do things like run in to town and pick up farm supplies and drive farm equipment on the roads to get to/from fields.
Edit: Looked it up. It allows 15 year olds to drive during the day within 40 miles of their farm for the purpose of doing farm work. I thought it went to 14, but I guess not.
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Ah.
After a quick search it looks like most states have something like that as well. Interesting, our farm (by the time I came along) was very small, only 103 (and about 30% of that was grazeable only, not farmable) acres so I never had a need for something like that.
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How much is an acre again?
!wiki acre
The acre is a unit of land area used in the imperial and US customary systems. It is traditionally defined as the area of one chain by one furlong
Ah yes. Of course.
(66 by 660 feet)
So about 20m x 200m.
approximately 4,047 m2, or about 40% of a hectare.
A little over then.
Edit. you said 103 acres though, so scale that by 10x. I wouldn't call a patch of land 200m by 2km small.
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@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
How much is an acre again?
!wiki acre
The acre is a unit of land area used in the imperial and US customary systems. It is traditionally defined as the area of one chain by one furlong
Ah yes. Of course.
(66 by 660 feet)
So about 20m x 200m.
approximately 4,047 m2, or about 40% of a hectare.
A little over then.
Edit. you said 103 acres though, so scale that by 10x. I wouldn't call a patch of land 200m by 2km small.
Given that the traditional "country block" anywhere west of the Appalachians is 1.6km by 1.6km (640 acres = 1 mi^2), 103 acres is small
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@izzion According to USDA, Statista, and other sources, the average size of a farm in the US is 446 acres (as of 2022) and has been growing at a rate of about 1 acre/year, with large farms growing in size and small and medium farms staying the same size or getting smaller. So yeah, 103 acres is less than 1/4 of the average size.
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I still wouldn't call it small. I wouldn't want to pull farming equipment across it without a tractor, in any case.
(erroneously assuming I wouldn't mind pulling farming equipment with one)
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@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
How much is an acre again?
!wiki acre
The acre is a unit of land area used in the imperial and US customary systems. It is traditionally defined as the area of one chain by one furlong
It was traditionally the amount of land that one man (with the help of an ox) could plough in a day. That's been irrelevant since the start of mechanisation on farms.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
How much is an acre again?
!wiki acre
The acre is a unit of land area used in the imperial and US customary systems. It is traditionally defined as the area of one chain by one furlong
It was traditionally the amount of land that one man (with the help of an ox) could plough in a day. That's been irrelevant since the start of mechanisation on farms.
In Swedish, it's called tunnland, and is the area you could sow with the seed of a single barrel of grain. tunna being barrel.
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@boomzilla Is that a police car or a taxi? A police car with an ad for a taxi company? A police car promoting a safe ride home? A cab with an ad for the local police department?
Filed under: Yes
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@HardwareGeek Police cost-cutting mesure: take a taxi instead of buying cars
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
A police car promoting a safe ride home?
This.
"This vehicle is a part of our 'Choose Your Ride' campaign and we take it to events to remind people about the dangers of drinking and driving," HPD wrote on their Twitter account on Monday. "This vehicle is not used in patrol or as a taxi; Thank you for noticing and helping to spread awareness about intoxicated driving!"
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@Gustav said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
"This vehicle is a part of our 'Choose Your Ride' campaign and we take it to events to remind people about the dangers of drinking and driving," HPD wrote on their Twitter account on Monday. "This vehicle is not used in patrol or as a taxi; Thank you for noticing and helping to spread awareness about intoxicated driving!"
Darn. And here I thought it was someone working 2 jobs...
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Those driving licenses need to be cancelled, and blocked.
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The "Things that remind you of members" thread is
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Filed Under: E_NO_DRIVING
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Status: You should have to pass a annual mental competency exam that proves you have more than one brain cell in order to drive.
Idiot was either going somewhere unfamiliar without a GPS or was not paying attention to which direction his upcoming turn was going to be, got himself trapped in the left lane of a four lane (two in each direction) street while needing to turn right. At which point he tried to signal over last minute, slowed too far down so the car that was in the next lane over and probably saw him and was going to let him in wound up deciding to abort that and then idiot couldn't get over. So then idiot's one brain cell panicked and idiot decided to make his stupidity everyone's problem and pop a U-turn at immediate light... which is a T intersection to the right for the shopping center idiot was trying to get into, and does not have a left turn lane on account of being said T intersection. When there's another light less than 500 feet forward of this intersection that is a crossroad and has a perfectly visible left turn lane with a perfectly visible protected + yield on green ball signal.
I probably should have laid on my horn, at least for the catharsis. But damn, don't drive if you can't count to 2 with your shoes on.
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Beware of when your brake lights turn on if you would drive a electric vehicle in one-pedal mode.
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@cheong I like this quote form that video: "One man's software is another man's nightmare."
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@cheong Yeah, that's not what happens on my VW ID.3. The brake lights there are coupled to deceleration. If you cross a certain threshold they will come on - regardless of whether it's regenerative or normal braking.
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I heard it could be painful to be hit by those airbags. Have cap flying away is really no big deal.
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@cheong said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I heard it could be painful to be hit by those airbags. Have cap flying away is really no big deal.
Indeed, defective airbags have been known to kill people. Takata is one manufacturer that is especially notorious on that front.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
ITT: people getting confused why 2 drivers, each of whom wants to be as close to the building entrance as possible, chose to park in the 2 closest spaces.
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@Gustav It's easier to line up your car next to another car than to just lines on the ground.