Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Isn't "huge" part of the definition of ship? If it's not huge, it's a boat.
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@jinpa said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Isn't "huge" part of the definition of ship? If it's not huge, it's a boat.
Nope. A ship is anything with a chain of command and dedicated roles. So you could technically have a 3m/9ft "ship" just by plopping a fancy hat on the guy sitting at front, and ordering the other guy at the helm to shut up and do as he's told. Or a 20m/60ft boat with an unorganized mob milling on it haphazardly.
ETA:
Historically a "ship" has been anything too big and complex to safely manage without a chain of command. So there is a grain of truth in the popular misconception.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@jinpa said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Isn't "huge" part of the definition of ship? If it's not huge, it's a boat.
Nope. A ship is anything with a chain of command and dedicated roles. So you could technically have a 3m/9ft "ship" just by plopping a fancy hat on the guy sitting at front, and ordering the other guy at the helm to shut up and do as he's told. Or a 20m/60ft boat with an unorganized mob milling on it haphazardly.
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Historically a "ship" has been anything too big and complex to safely manage without a chain of command. So there is a grain of truth in the popular misconception.I'm sorry, but on McHale's Navy, they refer to the PT-73 as a boat, not a ship. If I can't trust Capt. Binghamton, who can I trust?
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@jinpa The definition I've always heard is basically, if it's small enough to be carried aboard another vessel, it's a boat. If it's too big to be carried, it's a ship.
Except submarines. For some reason, they're always called boats, no matter how big they are.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@jinpa The definition I've always heard is basically, if it's small enough to be carried aboard another vessel, it's a boat. If it's too big to be carried, it's a ship.
Except submarines. For some reason, they're always called boats, no matter how big they are.
It's much more manly to be bottled up inside a small toy boat with nothing but other men for months at a time
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@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
nothing but other men for months at a time
There's not nothing - also hazards everywhere, reduced oxygen, and no space whatsoever. The insidious awareness of the sheer water pressure is probably the best part.
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@HardwareGeek so... do you qualify as a boat, or a ship?
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@jinpa The definition I've always heard is basically, if it's small enough to be carried aboard another vessel, it's a boat. If it's too big to be carried, it's a ship.
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@jinpa said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I guess I should give towers more respect. I always figured their training was about 2 minutes.
Training? Huh?
When I bought my first trailer, I just hooked it up and drove off. No training.
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@jinpa said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I guess I should give towers more respect.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
When I bought my first trailer, I just hooked it up and drove off. No training.
That's fine, until you need to back up somewhere and you discover that trailers can have their own special kind of independence of mind...
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
When I bought my first trailer, I just hooked it up and drove off. No training.
That's fine, until you need to back up somewhere and you discover that trailers can have their own special kind of independence of mind...
Oh, that's discovered very quickly! (And not just backing up)
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
When I bought my first trailer, I just hooked it up and drove off. No training.
That's fine, until you need to back up somewhere and you discover that trailers can have their own special kind of independence of mind...
They are rather single-minded actually. They always do the opposite of what you want them to do.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
When I bought my first trailer, I just hooked it up and drove off. No training.
That's fine, until you need to back up somewhere and you discover that trailers can have their own special kind of independence of mind...
They are rather single-minded actually. They always do the opposite of what you want them to do.
Wait, are we discussing trailers or 5 year olds?
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
They always do the opposite of what you want them to do.
Depends how much you load them up when going forward. If the load isn't too large, they behave pretty nicely then; the limit depends on the weight of your car and how good the brakes on the trailer are. If overloaded relative to your weight and power to stop, then things can get quite tricky.
Going backwards, they're always total fuckers. Consider unhitching them and moving them by hand if you can.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Consider unhitching them and moving them by hand if you can.
That's what I do in my driveway! (Pull straight in, unhook, push/spin)
It helps that I have one of these: https://aliner.com/campers/ranger-10/ (without the dormer)
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
They always do the opposite of what you want them to do.
Depends how much you load them up when going forward. If the load isn't too large, they behave pretty nicely then; the limit depends on the weight of your car and how good the brakes on the trailer are. If overloaded relative to your weight and power to stop, then things can get quite tricky.
Going backwards, they're always total fuckers. Consider unhitching them and moving them by hand if you can.
In my (very limited) experience, going forward handles itself especially if you load it properly and remember to ease off the throttle when it starts pulling up/down/sideways. Do not try to pull it out with extra throttle.
For braking, the weight ratio becomes important. I do not have any experience with trailers which are as heavy or heavier than the car, nor with no/insufficient braking.
Reversing is horrible if you don't do it often. I'm sure it's possible to reverse into a parking spot with a trailer, but I would never attempt it. Being able to back up somewhat reliably even just 10 meters can be useful though. Consider oncoming traffic on a narrow road, or reversing in an intersection when you don't have the room for a direct U turn.
There are special drivers license category for driving with a trailer, but while the lorry and bus versions are required for all trailers over 750kg, the car version is not required as long as the combined weight is under 3500kg, and most car/caravan combinations don't hit that limit. That license however does require being able to back up, both in a straight line and around a corner.
The above applies to The Netherlands, but I'm pretty sure the drivers license stuff is standardized across Europe and the near east.
My own tent trailer weighs ~400kg when loaded. Precise positioning (on the campsite) is usually better done by hand, and this extends to parking; since the combination doesn't fit in most standard parking spaces it has to be unhitched anyway. Experience in sloped areas may differ.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'm sure it's possible to reverse into a parking spot with a trailer, but I would never attempt it.
It really isn't that hard actually. You just have to remember that the trailer moves opposite the vehicle while backing.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'm sure it's possible to reverse into a parking spot with a trailer, but I would never attempt it.
It really isn't that hard actually. You just have to remember that
laterally the trailer moves opposite the vehicle while backing.
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@Dragoon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'm sure it's possible to reverse into a parking spot with a trailer, but I would never attempt it.
It really isn't that hard actually. You just have to remember that the trailer moves opposite the vehicle while backing.
Sure, but that's just the generic driving backwards bit. Doing so within the confines of a parking space (preferably in the first go) requires quite a bit of accuracy.
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So does parking the car normally, you just do it more often so you don't think about it.
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@Dragoon The thing about doing that with a trailer is that you have to control both a car that needs to go in a particular direction and a trailer that needs to go in the same direction but will go in the opposite direction. (And I haven't tried it myself in >40 years, so I'd struggle a lot if I had to do it now.)
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Dragoon The thing about doing that with a trailer is that you have to control both a car that needs to go in a particular direction and a trailer that needs to go in the same direction but will go in the opposite direction. (And I haven't tried it myself in >40 years, so I'd struggle a lot if I had to do it now.)
And where you need to be able to park the car both parallel and perpendicular, in reverse, for your drivers license, and generally proceed to do at least one of those at least once per week as long as you own a car, parking a trailer is something most people only do a few times per year (and they never received training).
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@HardwareGeek Not to mention that if the trailer is shorter than the vehicle towing it - or at least close to being shorter - reversing is really fun, because the trailer can get off-angle to the vehicle (and perhaps jackknife) rather easily if they aren't perfectly parallel while backing.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
parking a trailer is something most people only do a few times per year
Or, as in my case, a few times per lifetime.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@jinpa The definition I've always heard is basically, if it's small enough to be carried aboard another vessel, it's a boat. If it's too big to be carried, it's a ship.
Except submarines. For some reason, they're always called boats, no matter how big they are.
I've heard a third definition, if it tilts inwards when turning it's a boat, if it tilts outwards it's a ship.
But there really isn't a standard for which is which globally, as far as I can remember.
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@lolwhat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek Not to mention that if the trailer is shorter than the vehicle towing it - or at least close to being shorter - reversing is really fun, because the trailer can get off-angle to the vehicle (and perhaps jackknife) rather easily if they aren't perfectly parallel while backing.
I learned to reverse with trailers by driving a few hundred meters up a narrow forest track without any space for turning out in the boonies. The first 50 meters took more time than the several hundred rest of it.
These days? I'm not sure I'd be able to park a trailer around a 90 degree bend on a parking lot these days (Hell, I'm not sure I could reverse nicely with a trailer at all) but I used to be able to. My dad puts my once decent skills to shame though. As does even a shitty truck driver.
Seeing a truck with a trailer reverse up a narrow alley with a sharp bend in it to stop within millimeters of the loading bay is impressive.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
There are special drivers license category for driving with a trailer, but while the lorry and bus versions are required for all trailers over 750kg, the car version is not required as long as the combined weight is under 3500kg, and most car/caravan combinations don't hit that limit.
There's the BE entitlement which is cars upto 3500kg with trailers up to 3500kg. Standard EU (and UK ) license category which doesn't require having lorry or bus entitlements.
It used to be a separate test for BE here and assume it still is in the EU, but since last year everyone here with the B entitlement now gets BE automatically.
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@loopback0 Pretty much the same here, and in all countries in green.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I've heard a third definition, if it tilts inwards when turning it's a boat, if it tilts outwards it's a ship.
But there really isn't a standard for which is which globally, as far as I can remember.I was wondering why there would be a difference in tilting between small and large vessels.
There's a discussion of that here. "during the motion some vessels are raised (like the small boat in your question) and become unstable. Such vessels definitely may not perform the turn unless deliberately leaned toward the turn. Simply because there's nothing to compensate for the "centrifugal" momentum. OTOH big vessels may remain stable even during the motion, with enough reserve to perform the turn as-is."
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@jinpa Actually the second answer, https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/128937/6395, sounds like a more plausible explanation.
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@boomzilla I'm really wondering what went through the mind—before the debris did—of the driver who caused this. I can somewhat understand when somebody drives too fast on a road that's usually empty and suddenly there is a traffic jam and they crash either into the cars or to something by the road as they try to avoid the cars. But here he had to know there is a junction and the junction that looks this busy is probably busy quite often, so he couldn't not have expected it.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The driver only had moderate injuries.
Of course. Why is it the innocents always die and the asshole survives.
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While driving down US101 at 6a on Sat, I passed what looked like a road rage accident (to me). Can't find any news stories on it.
This was the first part. (I came to a stop about where the car on the shoulder is for about 5 min)
Then it was 5mph for about another mile to (3 lanes of traffic, down to driving on the shoulder) a rollover:
and (all airbags deployed, front windshield was smashed)
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
6a on Sat
:but-why-meme:
That's easy. Heading to a dog show! (Early because the show was an hour away - I decided sleeping in my own bed and getting up a little earlier was better than camping.)
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I drove past an interesting programmable road sign this morning.
It said:
HELLO
ROAD CLOSURE
8TH JUNE 8AM-4PM
No idea why it was telling me about a road closure that happened two months ago, but at least it was friendly about it!
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@Deadfast It's giving 10 months of warning. What are you complaining about?
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A few years ago some absolute gigachad got caught on video driving a Formula 1 monopost on a public highway. Which is of course wildly illegal. He didn't get caught in the act, and he was wearing a full helmet, so he wasn't recognizable on the video, so after the police found him they just gave him a stern talking to. That was in 2018-2019.
A few years passed, and now guess who's back!
The really funny part is that he faces a fine of up to 10k CZK. That's $421. He could also get his license revoked for 6-12 months if he got caught, but somehow I don't think a guy who drives this thing cares very much.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The youth of today are more industrious in their noise making. Or it's simply that parts are more readily available and at lower prices.
Either way, young man causing noise complaints really isn't that news worthy.
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@Carnage That's why several French towns now have "noise traps" which work alongside the speed traps. They triangulate the source of loud noise and then take a photo of the offending vehicle.
Several German towns are now thinking of getting those as well - usually towns at scenic routes where some moronic bike users absolutely have to rev up the engines of their penis replacements while driving through said towns.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage That's why several French towns now have "noise traps" which work alongside the speed traps. They triangulate the source of loud noise and then take a photo of the offending vehicle.
Several German towns are now thinking of getting those as well - usually towns at scenic routes where some moronic bike users absolutely have to rev up the engines of their penis replacements while driving through said towns.
Yeah, I'm a gearhead, I like fast things, and I like deep, throaty growls from vehicles. But I don't like loud vehicles. Not even my track bike is particularly loud. And I am well aware that others tend to not like loud vehicles either. Rev bombing is particularly silly, but a lot of people riding sport bikes do so because they want to be cool. And coolness has somehow gotten confused with obnoxiousness.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And coolness has somehow gotten confused with obnoxiousness.
Oh, in that case there must be a lot of cool young men on quad bikes in my neighborhood.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psbZseHZzUQ
TL;DW: On Wednesday, police in Tasmania announce the acquisition of a new highway patrol car to be used in a road safety campaign. On Friday, that car is involved in an injury accident with another car.
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@dkf said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And coolness has somehow gotten confused with obnoxiousness.
Oh, in that case there must be a lot of cool young men on quad bikes in my neighborhood.
Do they have random patches of duct tape (silver or red) on their quads? Do any of the quads have a large medkit strapped on in a conspicuous fashion?
I'm wondering whether they were inspired by Far Cry. Young people tend to copy the oddest things from movies and video games.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Do they have random patches of duct tape (silver or red) on their quads? Do any of the quads have a large medkit strapped on in a conspicuous fashion?
I have no idea. I can usually just hear them, not see them. My street's too short and has too much stuff parked for getting much speed up.