The Official Status Thread
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@Lorne-Kates Actually, you want pictures while its sitting on the ground. Lifting it would lift it.off the stops.
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@Lorne-Kates If the suspension is sitting on its stops, you'll be able to see that without jacking the car up; the wheel will look like it's trying to mate with the wheelarch ;)
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@RaceProUK also that.
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@Weng said in The Official Status Thread:
@Lorne-Kates Actually, you want pictures while its sitting on the ground. Lifting it would lift it.off the stops.
That's a handy tip.
@RaceProUK said in The Official Status Thread:
@Lorne-Kates If the suspension is sitting on its stops, you'll be able to see that without jacking the car up; the wheel will look like it's trying to mate with the wheelarch ;)
I haven't noticed that. If anything, I thought there was a lot of space between the top of the wheel and the arch.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
If anything, I thought there was a lot of space between the top of the wheel and the arch.
That's a sign your suspension is not collapsed. Which is a good thing
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@Lorne-Kates Oh, and to be clear, when you say "car", you aren't talking about a pickup truck or van or anything allegedly designed for cargo or towing, right?
Because those are supposed to be like that until there's some amount of load.
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@RaceProUK said in The Official Status Thread:
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
If anything, I thought there was a lot of space between the top of the wheel and the arch.
That's a sign your suspension is not collapsed. Which is a good thing
That is a very good thing. I'm hoping it's something I can fix at home. I'm really enjoying learning about how it all works, how to repair things. I never really learned these things growing up-- so learning about them now is fun, and I certainly want to pass this info onto my kid in due time. (Unless we get self driving and self repairing cars in the next 16 years).
Also, I'm in the processing of replacing the stock stereo that never worked right. Which requires taking off the front dash panel, which requires removing a hidden screw, which requires taking out a storage compartment, which requires finding two other screws hidden under the non-slip pad. I'm finding that Hyundai really, REALLY likes hiding screws all over the place. Changing the headlights requires taking out the entire headlite mount. :|
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
But we don't fucking consider ourselves superior just because of the words we use ... right?
Mason Wheeler has had that EXACT same debate, about how intelligent people apparently don't use fuck-cum every sentence, on this forum. Probably more than once.
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@Weng said in The Official Status Thread:
@Lorne-Kates Oh, and to be clear, when you say "car", you aren't talking about a pickup truck or van or anything allegedly designed for cargo or towing, right?
Because those are supposed to be like that until there's some amount of load.
Yes, car. 2011 Hyundai Elantra Touring. It's the Elantra 4-door body, except with a hatchback instead of a trunk.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
The shocks are the giant fucking metal springs attached to the tire, right?
Wow that's wrong.
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
I've also been told not to replace my own shocks, because you have to compress them and more likely than not that'll fail and knock my head off.
To be fair, the same is true of those big springs that help garage door openers do their jobs, and I managed to replace one of those once without detaching any body parts.
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
Changing the headlights requires taking out the entire headlite mount
It's not just Hyundai that do that; I used to have a Ford Fiesta that required the same thing. And on my current car (
OpelVauxhall Corsa), changing one taillight requires removing the entire taillight unit; thankfully, it's an easy job.
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@RaceProUK said in The Official Status Thread:
Nope; those are, funnily enough, the springs.
I like how everybody is focused on springs vs. shock absorbers, while ignoring Lorne said they were attached to the tire.
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
@RaceProUK said in The Official Status Thread:
Nope; those are, funnily enough, the springs.
I like how everybody is focused on springs vs. shock absorbers, while ignoring Lorne said they were attached to the tire.
They are. Maybe not directly, but they are.
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@RaceProUK said in The Official Status Thread:
@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
Changing the headlights requires taking out the entire headlite mount
It's not just Hyundai that do that; I used to have a Ford Fiesta that required the same thing.
Christ. I thought that changing the headlights on a Golf was bad enough. That leaves the headlights in place, just requires the hands of a small child to change one of them without scraping your hands.
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
That leaves the headlights in place, just requires the hands of a small child to change one of them without scraping your hands.
So just pull one from the pile.
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Status: I must be broken. I read this as "See Release codes for the WTF tab"...
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
But we don't fucking consider ourselves superior just because of the words we use ... right?
Mason Wheeler has had that EXACT same debate, about how intelligent people apparently don't use fuck-cum every sentence, on this forum. Probably more than once.
Oh fuck, he's on here? I didn't know that.
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@Lorne-Kates indirectly by way of a minimum of 8 parts (control arm to bushing or ball joint to spindle to wheel bearing to hub to wheel by way of clamping lugs and nuts).
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
(Unless we get self driving and self repairing cars in the next 16 years).
That's called a chauffeur and mechanic. Oh, and winning the lottery.
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@Lorne-Kates I am greatly disturbed by the fact that my parts catalogs don't even list springs for any 2011 Elantra.
Need tail lamp pads for your 1937 Duesenberg SJ? Sure Mr. Leno, they're in stock and $76.
How about an entire engine for your 2002 Qvale Mangusta (which Google tells me is a 105ft powerboat)? I guess that's cheating because apparently that's just a Ford 4.6l.
What about an engine rebuild kit for your 1958 Packard Henney? $109.
Alternator for a 1971 Opel Manta? $35 and a $20 core charge.
Springs for a 5 year old Hyundai? Nooope.
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
That leaves the headlights in place, just requires the hands of a small child to change one of them without scraping your hands.
Subaru is (was? haven't had to yet in the new one) the same. And the driver side requires moving the battery. The only way I ever saw what that damn clip looked like was with one of those extendible small mirrors. Considering how long (ha!) those bulbs lasted, I got pretty good at bracket-braille.
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
Oh fuck, he's on here? I didn't know that.
I've seen comments from him once in a while. He's been pretty quiet...
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
he's on here?
@Mason-Wheeler or @Mason_Wheeler ? The latter has more posts...
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Status: Caught up? On last message but "42885 out of 42886".
edit: ah, posting this fixed that.
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
On last message but "42885 out of 42886".
Known issue. Can be mitigated by making the viewport shorter or opening the composer and scrolling down a bit.
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
Oh fuck, he's on here?
That was my joke, that that motherfucking cumqueen usually has the bad language "debate" on this forum, and now he's doing the same thing on StackOverflow.
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@Weng said in The Official Status Thread:
How about an entire engine for your 2002 Qvale Mangusta (which Google tells me is a 105ft powerboat)? I guess that's cheating because apparently that's just a Ford 4.6l.
That sounds extremely underpowered.
Oh wait, you lied, it's a car. You have to dig in Google to find the yacht. It has about 36 panels that open up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Tomaso_Mangusta#/media/File:Detomaso_Mangusta_Alameda.jpg Huh.
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@Weng said in The Official Status Thread:
Qvale Mangusta
/me googles
ew ew ew ew ew
Spoliered because this car is fucking *ugly*
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Qvale_Mangusta_%28Foto_Alice%29_2010-05-22_bearb.jpgβ¦and image URLs don't work in spoilers
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@blakeyrat No, Qvale Mangusta. That's a boat.
... And apparently a sports car. Wtf!?
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Status: Heh
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@Polygeekery said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Yesterday I made homemade margaritas. Today I have accomplished nothing. I want to go back to my early 20's when I did not get hangovers.
Follow-up: After eating a burrito the size of my head and washing it down with, near as makes no difference, a half gallon of DOS Equis Amber...all is right in the world again. Feeling much better.
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Status: Someone reminded me of Starflight One, a TV movie about a passenger jet that accidentally ends up in orbit and they have to rescue it with the Space Shuttle, starring Lee Majors. Just from the PREMISE you know it's going to be mondo-trash.
And it's on Amazon Prime.
And I'ma gonna watch it right now fuck you all.
EDIT: the movie's such a flop that the Amazon copy has encoding errors and I guess nobody ever watched this, not even the quality control guy whose job it was.
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@blakeyrat So yeah. Google from work gives me the boat first thing. Google from home gives me the car.
I assume that this is because our executives sit there all day surfing the yachts they're going to buy with the spoils of our corporate reorg.
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@blakeyrat Holy shit, TV movie NASA is super-competent. They somehow did two launches of Columbia in less than 24 hours.
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STATUS:
Apparently whenbonecp
's documentation forConnection.close()
says "Calling the methodclose
on aConnection
object that is already closed is a no-op.", what they really mean is "callingclose()
on an already closed connection will lead to the following:com.mysql.jdbc.exceptions.jdbc4.MySQLNonTransientConnectionException: No operations allowed after connection closed. at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source) at com.mysql.jdbc.Util.handleNewInstance(Util.java:400) at com.mysql.jdbc.Util.getInstance(Util.java:383) at com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createSQLException(SQLError.java:958) at com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createSQLException(SQLError.java:937) at com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createSQLException(SQLError.java:926) at com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createSQLException(SQLError.java:872) at com.mysql.jdbc.ConnectionImpl.throwConnectionClosedException(ConnectionImpl.java:1236) at com.mysql.jdbc.ConnectionImpl.checkClosed(ConnectionImpl.java:1231) at com.mysql.jdbc.ConnectionImpl.setAutoCommit(ConnectionImpl.java:4841) at com.jolbox.bonecp.ConnectionHandle.setAutoCommit(ConnectionHandle.java:1292) at com.jolbox.bonecp.ConnectionHandle.<init>(ConnectionHandle.java:259) at com.jolbox.bonecp.ConnectionHandle.recreateConnectionHandle(ConnectionHandle.java:281) at com.jolbox.bonecp.ConnectionHandle.close(ConnectionHandle.java:512)
".
No-op indeed.
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@sloosecannon They probably meant:
Calling
close()
on aConnection
object that is already closed should be a no-op
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@Tsaukpaetra Yeah, well apparently it's a BoneCP bug (They're not following the spec of Java's
Connection
class, which they're extending from, and where those docs came from).I intended to report their bug, and then found my addendum status.......
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@Lorne-Kates said in The Official Status Thread:
Not that I'm aware of. And the tires have been changed several times since. It's been like that for a good I want to say 40k or so. I've just gotten used to it.
I had a car that made an odd jiggling noise after 150K miles or so and started handling rougher over bumps. Turns out the upper mount point for the right rear shock had rusted out, so it wasn't anchored any longer.
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
That leaves the headlights in place, just requires the hands of a small child to change one of them without scraping your hands.
Subaru is (was? haven't had to yet in the new one) the same. And the driver side requires moving the battery. The only way I ever saw what that damn clip looked like was with one of those extendible small mirrors. Considering how long (ha!) those bulbs lasted, I got pretty good at bracket-braille.
Aw, come on, you guys aren't even trying. My Sedona requires you to take the intake manifold off to change the spark plugs. 80s-era Grand Ams required you to take the front right tire off to change a headlight. Or something that shouldn't have required removing a wheel--it's been a long time and I don't remember exactly.
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Random at work I thought you may appreciate.
The designy director is in charge of the website, and all the pages are in the form of, yes you guessed right jpg pictures because who cares about SEO. Everyone here is a software expert and attends big conferences.- Want to copy something from the company's website? Tough luck, no text selection for you
- Do you have job postings and want candidates to find it? Hehe
In the happy hour few months ago, when all the bossez were boasting how great the website looks and how smart they are I (lowly engineer) told them it suckz balls of course no one cares. I will be sick home tomorrow, 2 job interviews to take because could not arrange the 3rd one for the same day.
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@FrostCat Most modern Audis require you to remove the entire front end of the car - bumpers, headlights, grille, radiator, etc. to do much of anything. This is somewhat eupehmistically stated in the procedures as the single line "Place the vehicle in the service position."
http://i.imgur.com/XSxvhFW.jpg
More recent procedures for this involve swapping in some super-long bolts so you can kind of slide it out like a drawer so you don't actually have to disconnect all that shit most of the time. An experienced Audi mechanic can do this in 15 minutes.
Modern diesel Ford trucks require you to remove the cab to do prettymuch anything to the engine.
http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/attachments/general-6-4l-discussion/25411d1304619351-cab-off-replace-oil-cooler-truck-2.jpg
An experienced Ford diesel mechanic can do this in 45 minutes.
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@Weng Are there any new cars or trucks that don't require this sort of bullshit to change a fucking headlight? I'm actually being serious for once.
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@Weng said in The Official Status Thread:
I am greatly disturbed by the fact that my parts catalogs don't even list springs for any 2011 Elantra.
Yeah, it's was a bitch just getting the rear shocks. Some car part places near me carried Elantra, but the computer said the touring was a different model and incompatible. I ended up ordering them from the US.
A quick'n'dirty Ebay Motors search says springs may be about $300US for a set of four.
@FrostCat said in The Official Status Thread:
I had a car that made an odd jiggling noise after 150K miles or so and started handling rougher over bumps. Turns out the upper mount point for the right rear shock had rusted out, so it wasn't anchored any longer
Unless there's more to the mount point than I know, I hope that's not it. I took off the shocks and mounted new ones, and everything bolted back into place where it should. The car didn't crumble into a pile of rust. I might have missed it, though.
@Weng said in The Official Status Thread:
Most modern Audis
Yup. The mechanic I go to told me he hated we certain cars came in, because it would be at least 3 hours of labor just to do anything. He refused to give them reconditioned parts, because if the part failed at least once, he'd have to replace it under warranty, and the 3+ hours of free labor ate any profits.
@lolwhat said in The Official Status Thread:
Are there any new cars or trucks that don't require this sort of bullshit to change a fucking headlight?
Probably the Tesla.
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
Oh fuck, he's on here?
That was my joke, that that motherfucking cumqueen usually has the bad language "debate" on this forum, and now he's doing the same thing on StackOverflow.
Someone should point him to the "naughty language" project that got @boomzilla banned.
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@Lorne-Kates I've experienced once that just a part of the spring broke, so it was not that noticeable by looking at the car from the outside.
Also: did you exercise the shocks before putting them in?
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@lolwhat Yeah. Most just need small hands on at least one side. It's actually gotten better the past couple years thanks to European pedestrian safety regulations - low, streamlined aerodynamic noses are out, so there's more vertical room than there tended to be previously.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said in The Official Status Thread:
@Lorne-Kates I've experienced once that just a part of the spring broke, so it was not that noticeable by looking at the car from the outside.
Hmm.
Also: did you exercise the shocks before putting them in?
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How would I do that?