The Official Status Thread
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That, of course, is because approximately[1] nobody wants to pay to fly Concorde these days.
Yeah. Seats on the Concorde were ~5X the cost of conventional flights. When the price premium is $6K-$8K, they are a hard sell.
If it were a few hundred bucks in price difference, I would have paid it. But, for the price savings equivalent to a nice used car, I can take a little longer to get to Europe...
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Really, it wasn't the Concorde's fault -- most (all?) four-engine airliners will run out of rudder authority if they have two engines die/get killed on the same side after V1 on a max weight takeoff...
True, but wasn't the problem that approximately no other airplanes would've had a two-engines-on-one-side out the way the Concorde did?
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Nah I don't blame the plane for the crash, the design was pretty solid. Sure the engine injested tires, but the Concord is hardly the only plane with engine intakes positioned there.
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Yeah. Seats on the Concorde were ~5X the cost of conventional flights. When the price premium is $6K-$8K, they are a hard sell.
From something I read, there was a dedicated cadre of regular business users. Just a small one due to the price. IIRC it's one of those economies of scale thing, where if so many places hadn't refused to let it fly overhead at speed, they could've dropped the price a lot.
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Nah I don't blame the plane for the crash, the design was pretty solid. Sure the engine injested tires, but the Concord is hardly the only plane with engine intakes positioned there.
What I meant was, Concorde put both engines next to each other in a way that, say, a 747 doesn't, so it would be much harder to get a two-engine-out due to debris.
I don't know I'd necessarily call it a design flaw either, as it only ever happened once in, what, 3 decades? But that once was the final nail in the plane's coffin.
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What I meant was, Concorde put both engines next to each other in a way that, say, a 747 doesn't, so it would be much harder to get a two-engine-out due to debris.
Right; but it also has swept wings in a way that, say, a 747 doesn't. There's only so much physical room to place the engines.
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What I meant was, Concorde put both engines next to each other in a way that, say, a 747 doesn't, so it would be much harder to get a two-engine-out due to debris.
They didn't have a full case of two engines going out. Engine #1 came back online after a short power loss, but the plane was basically fucked as soon as it hit the debris due to rupturing a fuel tank. The plane was well over MTOW for the conditions and the tanks were pretty much completely full. There were a lot of factors that played in to that crash.
Good reading if you are interested:
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True, but wasn't the problem that approximately no other airplanes would've had a two-engines-on-one-side out the way the Concorde did?
Not really -- two engines out on the same side can happen to more conventional configurations as well -- see Omega 70 for an example.
From something I read, there was a dedicated cadre of regular business users. Just a small one due to the price. IIRC it's one of those economies of scale thing, where if so many places hadn't refused to let it fly overhead at speed, they could've dropped the price a lot.
Yeah, it was mainly business travelers. BA1-4 these days are run by a more conventional aircraft with an all business-class cabin, but city-center to city-center with expedited customs clearance procedures.Engine #1 came back online after a short power loss, but the plane was basically fucked as soon as it hit the debris due to rupturing a fuel tank. The plane was well over MTOW for the conditions and the tanks were pretty much completely full. There were a lot of factors that played in to that crash.
The ruptured fuel tank wouldn't have brought the plane down had the F/E not pulled #2 back, though. The fire in Concorde's case was outside the aircraft entirely!
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From something I read, there was a dedicated cadre of regular business users. Just a small one due to the price. IIRC it's one of those economies of scale thing, where if so many places hadn't refused to let it fly overhead at speed, they could've dropped the price a lot.
You can make it in 7-8 hours for $2K, or 3.5 hours for $10K. That is ~$2K/hour for the time savings. I goddamned hate flying for long periods of time but even I think that is foolish.
I think that a lot of those people were paying for the luxury as Concorde flights had a reputation for excellent service.
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I think that a lot of those people were paying for the luxury as Concorde flights had a reputation for excellent service.
Free champagne IIRC
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The ruptured fuel tank wouldn't have brought the plane down had the F/E not pulled #2 back, though. The fire in Concorde's case was outside the aircraft entirely!
Yep, the fire was visually impressive but if they had kept in to the throttle it would have blown itself out.
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The disappointment earlier has caused Frog's theme and the Pokemon main screen theme to clash in my mind, creating the cacophonous sound of a thousand mad flutists ascending from unimaginable depths.
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Yep, the fire was visually impressive but if they had kept in to the throttle it would have blown itself out.
Yep. All they would have had to do was put max power on the remaining engines, keep #1 at idle to let the stall settle down, and fly the plane! (Even with being six tons overweight due to the 8kt tailwind, being outside the aft CG limit and likely drifting somewhat further aft as they burned fuel, and rotating 11kts prematurely to avoid a nasty high-speed runway excursion caused by a landing gear issue, that plane would have flown long enough to get up to 500' AGL, do an abbreviated pattern or air turnback, and landed safely -- but trying to fly any four-engine jetliner with two dead engines on one side and two max-thrust engines on the other is going to push the limits of rudder authority, never mind one that's overweight, low, slow, and outside its CG limits.)
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Sounded like they needed a Sully.
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Sounded like they needed a Sully.
Not even a Sully, just a flight crew that was on the same page as to what they were doing with the plane!
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Status: Sony announced Shenmue III; it's being funded through Kickstarter.
…and now it turns out Sony is in fact funding the whole development of the game; the Kickstarter was just to gauge interest.Y'know, rather than watching Twitter trends and the seas of adult gamers crying in joy.
And as has already been said:
@blakeyrat said:Goddamned. That is not what Kickstarter should be used for.
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Status: Annoyed at PC Gamer.
They said their E3 show would start at 1AM UK time. I tune in… and there's an hour-long quiz before the show starts.
Fuck.
At least the chiptunes are cool.
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Status: Chili, ready. Cornbread, ready. Clean dishes, not ready.
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Status: Want a cup of coffee but don't have milk.
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Status: Chili, not ready. Cornbread, ready. Clean dishes, not ready.
Edible, but the beans definitely need to cook more. Also, I probably didn't need to use all the chili powder I had on hand.
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Status: Want a cup of coffee but don't have milk.
If you're a pansy who can't handle your coffee black, just say "I am a pansy who can't handle black coffee." It's ok, we won't judge. (Yes we will)
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Status: just had an uncomfortable conversation with sibling-bot about their up coming camping trip. Turning a camp ground into a dungeon (sibling is a Dom).
EDIT: didn't need to know about the difference between "fun" and "games" dufflebags.
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If you're a pansy who can't handle your coffee black, just say "I am a pansy who can't handle black coffee." It's ok, we won't judge. (Yes we will)
I will happily have a double espresso from a coffee shop (although I generally get a cappuccino) but this is instant coffee at home. I make this with a mug of milk instead of hot water.
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Status: Bad stomachache. Just let loose a series of big, loud belches. I feel much better.
Filed under: Belches really are good for something, after all.
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Status: Our sister site has completely lost power. If it's not back in 5 minutes I'll be shutting their servers down. We bought a generator, they didn't think it was worth it.
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Status: Bad stomachache. Just let loose a series of big, loud belches. I feel much better.
Filed under: Belches really are good for something, after all.
Yes. We make you feel better.
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@HardwareGeek said:
Status: Chili, not ready. Cornbread, ready. Clean dishes, not ready.
Edible, but the beans definitely need to cook more. Also, I probably didn't need to use all the chili powder I had on hand.BURN THE HERETIC
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BURN THE HERETIC
maybe it was a vegetarian chili?
i mean that's less than ideal but some people have trouble with beef chili for religious/health/financial reasons. vegetarian chili is still better than no chili
unless that wasn't a vegetarian chili.... in which case i'll get me pitchfork.
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I thought one of the main ingredients in a proper chili was kidney beans, regardless of meat option?
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thought one of the main ingredients in a proper chili was kidney beans, regardless of meat option?
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she's British.... confusion is forgivable... she's British.... confusion is forgivable... she's.... British.... confusion is..... forgivable...
*twitch*
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If you don't have kidney beans it's just a spicy bolognaise.
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*twitch*
Uh-oh…
Easy honey; I'm not the only one who thinks it's OK…*realises that was probably not the right thing so say*
*takes a firm grip of her Piko Hammer, just in case…*
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I thought one of the main ingredients in a proper chili was kidney beans, regardless of meat option?
If you're a purist, and we're all purists here in Texas, the main ingredients of chili are beef, peppers of whatever sort (but mostly Ancho), spices and water. Beans are expressly forbidden.
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Status: Hiding.
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Status: Hiding.
Status: Thinking of how Texans have an inflated sense of self importance, especially so in regards to their fucking stew recipes.
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Thinking of how Texans have an inflated sense of self importance, especially so in regards to their fucking stew recipes.
It may just be me, but I'm more concerned about the reaction of a resident of the state of Maine…
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@HardwareGeek said:
@HardwareGeek said:
Status: Chili, not ready. Cornbread, ready. Clean dishes, not ready.
Edible, but the beans definitely need to cook more. Also, I probably didn't need to use all the chili powder I had on hand.BURN THE HERETIC
I'm already a member of one forum that regularly gets engulfed in the "Beans or No Beans in Chili" flamewar. Please not here too!!
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I'm already a member of one forum that regularly gets engulfed in the "Beans or No Beans in Chili" flamewar. Please not here too!!
I put beans in my chili, not because I particularly enjoy them, but mostly to make residents of Texas sad.
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Ah, Texas. 1/50th of those United States.
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Ah, Texas. 1/50th of those United States.
Cue Texans to come and tell us how they are more than 2% of: (land area, size of economy, amount of oil, amount of military, etc.) Bonus points for those who tell us how they believe that Texas can be its own country, and if it did it would be the X largest economy/country in the world.
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You people!!
:fistshaking.cob:
Status: famished.
http://www.hardtimes.com/food/menu/
My recommendation: 5-way Chili-Mac, Texas-style hold the onions.
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Yes.
Spaghetti - Yes.
Cheese - Yes.
Texas-style Spicy Beef - Yes.
Dripping in essential spicy oily goodness. Also, yes.
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Status: "SMS" and "mission critical" uttered in the same sentence regarding one of our projects.
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Dripping in essential spicy oily goodness. Also, yes.
I have a 1PM meeting right by my favorite Greek lunch place. I will be having a gyro and greek potatoes. Potatoes braised in buttery, oily, herby, Greek spice goodness.