Lessons in EOL
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Uhmmm, just hit the Windows key and it searches. No need for the other key in Win7.
Or in 8, actually.
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ah. right. so same functionality.... kinda. i seem to remember that start menu can't search files in wn7?
anyway in win8 WIN+S searches everything (files and programs) while WIN+F searches only files..... there's one for only programs too but i never bothered to memorize because WIN+S worked.
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I did not think so, but as I told it to FOD, I did not want to speak in the affirmative in case I was wrong...
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Or in 8, actually.
well yes, but WIN+S doesn't throw you into the start screen while you search!
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i seem to remember that start menu can't search files in wn7?
You remember wrong. Win8 search is probably faster, but Win7 search gets the job done.
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i seem to remember that start menu can't search files in wn7?
Sure it can. It can even search for Word docs and individual emails in Outlook.
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TIWRT...
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It can even search for Word docs and individual emails in Outlook.
Also inside of PDFs (that are not TIFFs inside a PDF wrapper, like you get from fax programs. Very annoying).
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WIN+S
Well, seems to me that WIN+S and WIN+Q are functionally identical in Windows 8. How's about that, then?
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huh.......
basic experimentation shows that they appear to be....
interesting.
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Don't worry, in the next iteration they will remove a bunch of shit you use frequently and that worked just fine the way it was. Progress!!
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if they take away my keyboard shortcuts i swear on any body part of any god or goddess you care to name that i will stab them..... repeatedly..... with a very rusty knife.
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I still mourn the loss of Ctrl+Esc. At least I have Win+T now instead (unhide taskbar).
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unhide taskbar
i never had much truck to do with hiding the task bar. but i eagerly await the day that MS office copes gracefully with the task bar eing docked to the top of the primary display.
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Also inside of PDFs
Oh, I'm sure that more types work, those were just the two I knew about. The set of apps I use daily is actually fairly small, and can be (mostly) met by pinning, so after discovering the feature, I pretty much stopped using it. (I do show it to people when I remember about it, though, because it is useful.)
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Don't worry, in the next iteration they will remove a bunch of shit you use frequently and that worked just fine the way it was. Progress!!
See, that's a much more useful thing to complain about.
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No.
Let me guess: still on a monochrome 96x96 Nokia? And when people point and laugh, you snap out "I just want to make a phone call!"?
It's ok, there's a place for your kind.
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Oh, I'm sure that more types work, those were just the two I knew about.
Agreed, but that is one that bit me in the ass. I was trying to find a PDF and could not remember where the hell I put it. I tried tons of search strings, etc. It was sent from a client and was very unhelpfully named, so I was left to searching for text that I remembered in the PDF. I tried tons of stuff, nothing got what I needed.
When I finally found it, I realized that it was a TIFF in PDF clothing. No text for Windows to index... Annoying. Turned out it had been converted from a received fax.
No, I don't expect Windows to have OCR search indexing out of the box. I expect people to leave fax machines where they belong, in the 80's.
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^^[ still does the same thing. Well, the equivalent.
What is ^^[ and what does it do?
I tried Ctrl+[ (and CtrlCtrl+[and Ctrl+^+[ ) and nothing happened...
Ctrl+6 does stuff in the browser...
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^ for control and ^[ for Escape (you usually only can see that sequence in ancient telnet clients.) (the second ^ means the character is "control left bracket".
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Aspect ratio's off.
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I see, so Ctrl+Esc does the same thing as Ctrl+Esc?
Yes: it still functions in an equivalent manner: instead of bringing up the start menu, it brings up the start screen.
I checked before posting.
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No LCD.
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Yes: it still functions in an equivalent manner: instead of bringing up the start menu, it brings up the start screen.
OK. On Windows 7, the side effect of showing the start menu was to unhide the taskbar, whereas on Windows 8, the side effect of showing the start screen is that the entirety of your desktop (taskbar included) is obscured by the start screen. So Ctrl+Esc no longer functions as a means to unhide the taskbar. Fortunately, Win+T does that.
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Oh, gotcha. I hate hiding the taskbar so I never do it. I don't find I gain enough screen real estate to be worth watching windows resize or play z-order games. (If they've fixed those things, it just shows how long it's been since I did it.)
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I hate hiding the taskbar so I never do it
It is very much the road less travelled. But I want those 25,600 pixels for my apps, damnit!
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It is very much the road less travelled. But I want those 25,600 pixels for my apps, damnit!
It's one line of text and a status bar. You're better off getting a 16:10 monitor.
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You're better off getting a 16:10 monitor.
But my screen is already 1280×800. And adding a monitor would severly hamper my tablet's portability.
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Vista and windows 7 are underneath pretty much the same OS if you are up to date.
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Visual Studio changes were just outright shit. They just took the existing interface and adjusted the colors to match the current "flat" standard that is trendy. You still have the gazillion buttons and menus except now you cannot tell them apart because they look the same
VS2013's styling is pretty much the same as 2010. The icons aren't a big deal if you spend more than 10 minutes with it, also it not like they have hidden the file extensions.
There are so many new decent features over 2010 and 2010 has so many weird bugs with it, that it is a no brainer which to use on my own machine. The all caps menu titles are retarded no argument there.
VS2012 wasn't a worthwhile upgrade over 2010. 2013 is.
The newer VS editions suffer from the same problem Windows 8 does, people focus too much on change in looks and end up missing almost all the improvements.
Seriously other than the lack of gradients in the interface and the icons changing the interface was is almost identical to 2010, but without the horrific bugs.
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BTW as I mentioned up thread, the returned Start menu in 10 just puts them all on All Programs, so you have to scroll down to get to your installed apps, which detracts from the usefulness of the menu.
Really? So Sinofsky's brain worms were particularly virulent.
The key reason the Start Menu is better than the Start Screen is folders, which has always been used to group common items - a suite gets a folder with all its parts inside.
Some companies put all their stuff in a single folder as well.
Text Search is not very useful for rarely-used items, because you have to know the exact name, which may change or be spelt oddly.
Eg IBM ClearCase was called "Remote Client" but is now called "ClearTeam Explorer".
Typing IBM won't find it, "Client" or "Remote" used to but doesn't anymore.
Also, you tend to get multiple results, and so must recognise the icon. If you don't use it often, you won't know the icon.To summarise:
The stuff you use a lot gets pinned or a desktop icon, thus "Start" is irrelevant.The Start "thingy" is for the stuff you don't use much, thus folders are necessary.
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I cannot speak for 2013 as I've only used 2012.
I fully realize there is more to the new Visual Studios than the interface, unfortunately until the UI changes actually have some benefit you will hear me, and I believe many other people, bitch about them.
In fact, I have a funny feeling the decision to fuck with the UI comes from the top, from a person who doesn't understand the user base of the product, who thinks that unless it's shiny no one is going to buy the new version. Completely oblivious to the fact that it's the features, stability, speed, etc. that everyone cares about.
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Sorry but if a program has some stupid wanky name it deserves not to be found.
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You're better off getting a 16:10 monitor.
16:10? That's unfortunately much harder than it may seem. 16:9 is all the rage nowadays, and I freaking hate that aspect ratio.
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I fully realize there is more to the new Visual Studios then the interface, unfortunately until the UI changes actually have some benefit you will hear me, and I believe many other people, bitch about them.
UI != Theme
The point is they haven't, it has a slightly different theme that is all. The icon theme takes 30 minutes at most to get used to, if that. I don't even notice anymore and I flip between 2010 and 2013 regularly.
Many parts of the UI work so much better than previous versions (the multiple window support actually works properly) and the wealth of features over 2010 even in the express version. All missed because you don't like the theme.
Even if it is a massive problem, you been able to change since day 1 and takes about 5 seconds of googling to achieve. As far as I am concerned it is a non-issue.
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The Start "thingy" is for the stuff you don't use much, thus folders are necessary.
Good job it has folders then, really.
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UI != Theme
That's a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?
All missed because you don't like the theme.
I do use 2012, I just don't see the benefit of the "improved" UI. Yes, it is can be mostly fixed nowadays, especially since enough people bitched for them to bring back to Blue theme. But...
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Don't worry, in the next iteration they will remove a bunch of shit you use frequently and that worked just fine the way it was. Progress!!
Sorry - I thought you lot were talking about Windows, not Discourse...
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also, does <kbd>WIN</kbd>+<kbd>S</kbd> work on windows 7? i use it all the time in win8.
<kbd>WIN</kbd>+<kbd>S</kbd> "pai" <kbd>Enter</kbd> => BAM! lust launched Paint.net
<kbd>WIN</kbd>+<kbd>S</kbd> "partial document name" <kbd>enter</kbd> => BAM! i just opened up that document in the default program
i could go on for days.
best feature of windows*. i rarely ever even go to the start menu anymore. or to windows explorer to find files (unless i forgot their name because it's been a while or i chose a poor name in the first place)
*: Maybe
While it's certainly improved by leaps and bounds, I still use Launchy in Windows 7. It does have better support for fuzzy matching, like launching Firefox when I type "ffx" or Eclipse Luna when typing "elun".Only downside is that document support is tougher. Launchy currently appears unmaintained, and third parties are not likely to go and make plugins for it.
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Would you consider it a user interface change if Google changed their
colour scheme and changed the logo? I wouldn't.
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Would you consider it a user interface change if Google changed their colour scheme and changed the logo? I wouldn't.
I would if it made the search bar more difficult to find.
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still on a monochrome 96x96 Nokia?
No.
I have the cheapest shit-grade Android phone I could buy outright.
The only reason I have a personal phone at all is because I'm raising children with ms. flabdablet, who may therefore have a legitimate need to contact me urgently. Only she, and the kids, and a small handful of other people I've leaked my number to by accident, have my number. Once the kids are grown and gone, the phone will go as well.
My eyesight is not good enough to make squinting at emails through a five inch keyhole something I ever want to do. I resent needing to put on my glasses just so I can use the stupid phone.
I detest touch screens to an extent that you would probably find implausible. The only reason I downgraded from a phone with buttons my fingertips can feel their way around to something with a horrible fucking touch screen is that I couldn't find a dirt cheap "feature" phone that could also be a personal wifi hotspot, a function I do occasionally rely on.
Now that I do have Android in my pocket, I occasionally use the Web on it to look up a street address or a phone directory listing. But general browsing or emails or (shudder) remote server management? No fucking way. Using touch screens always leaves me more irritated than before I've picked up the device. Bad enough that the school is crawling with fucking iPads I need to keep in good order.
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Well I don't think anything is any more difficult to find considering they
are all in the familiar places.The gmail app on my phone has a different theme over the ui and flatter
icons, but it functions in exactly the same way. VS interface really hasn't
changed in over 10 years.
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Just type what you want and hit enter.
It's good to connect with another CLI fan. <no doubt I'm not the first, but there are 100 more posts after this so I'm jus' gonna say it>
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If you always use search or pinned items to run your apps, WHO CARES that the menu isn't a menu any more?
In the Win7 machine that I use the most, I have several things pinned to the start menu. In particular, RDP, which has a submenu of the machines I regularly connect to. How could this translate in 8.1?
