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@blakeyrat Given that it boils down to freedom from Donald Trump, it's got an excellent rate of freedom returned on freedom invested.
The amount you folks need to spend on "getting out the vote" appears quite completely insane to us.
Also, you guys get shot dead if you're rude to a cop. That's not freedom.
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@flabdablet said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
Given that it boils down to freedom from Donald Trump, it's got an excellent rate of freedom returned on freedom invested.
How many monarchs do you have on your money?
We have zero.
EDIT: except Benjamin Franklin was "King Of Parties", but that's not official.
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@r10pez10 said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
Analysis from trusted source of trusted source. Someone's getting fired. I'm a fucking journo and I'm not this dumb: pic.twitter.com/gyQajFDQcQ— Patrick Gray (@riskybusiness) August 10, 2016
I agree with everything he said except "someone's getting fired".
This is a GOVERNMENT job. And Government IT job at that. Literally no one ever gets fired. You have the most incompetent people in the industry there, with zero incentive to do things right, and fifty million layers of managers all making independent demands on how things should work. So people who don't know what they're doing lead by people who don't know what they're doing constrained by budgets written up by people who don't know what they're doing.
I wouldn't be surprised to find the whole site is hosted on a laptop running a cracked copy of LoadBalancerPro-- a piece of shovelware from 10 years ago that was voted as the top answer of a StackOverflow question someone happened to Google.
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@Lorne-Kates said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
And Government IT job at that. Literally no one ever gets fired.
Might be a Government Contractor IT Job. Those aren't nearly so secure…
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@blakeyrat said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
We have zero.
Don't feel bad. I'm sure Canada will lend you ours if you ask nicely.
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@dkf said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
Might be a Government Contractor IT Job. Those aren't nearly so secure…
Of course, this is how many gov cuntractors roll:
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@lolwhat said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
this is how many gov cuntractors roll
Yes, but not their employees. Heck, I know several who thought “fuck that shit” and went to work for university IT departments in order to earn more and have a less dysfunctional working environment…
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@dkf said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
@Lorne-Kates said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
And Government IT job at that. Literally no one ever gets fired.
Might be a Government Contractor IT Job. Those aren't nearly so secure…
Sure, but you still get (over)paid even if you completely fuck up everything. You may even get a bonus.
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@lolwhat said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
@dkf said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
Might be a Government Contractor IT Job. Those aren't nearly so secure…
Of course, this is how many gov cuntractors roll:
Can confirm, btw.
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@anonymous234 said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
@flabdablet said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
It's supposed to be as close as practicable to a point-in-time snapshot of the state of everybody.
Is that really important? Can't they just ask "were there any deaths, births, or religious conversions on your family between 9 August and today"?
It's also stuff like "how did you get to work on $date", which might be a bit hard to remember if you don't always do the same thing and you're trying to fill it out a week later.
Also things like how much unpaid domestic work you did for your household in the last week (None, <5 hours, 5 to 14 hours, 15 to 29 hours, 30+ hours - this is from the 2011 census but I expect it'd be about the same for the current one).
@flabdablet said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
There's plenty of reportage about $180/day fines
Usually accompanied by the words "rarely enforced". Though they might make an exception for the politicians who are making a big public thing about the name stuff.
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@Scarlet_Manuka
More likely, the "US based DDOS" was just census submissions coming from people who hadn't disconnected from their Netflix geo-blocking bypass VPN yet.
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@izzion I'm sure there were at least one or two overseas script kiddies who thought it would be fun to mess with the census.
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@Scarlet_Manuka yeah, but the likelihood of them being capable of bringing down a site is pretty low. There are DoS attacks going on almost all the time - very few are effective at anything more than knocking out a private home connection or low-powered server.
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@Fox Nobody says they brought down the site. The ABS turned off the site after the router failed.
On the other hand, the expectation now is that since it's had so much publicity, as soon as they turn it on again they will get more heavily DDoSed.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
It doesn't seem to have been a capacity problem:
The Minister said at its peak the Census was taking 150 forms a second, despite being equipped to deal with up to 260 a second.
So... mathmathmath...
Not much margin for error. Sounds like they needed a better rate limiting system.
If your last name begins with:
- Aa: please submit your census form on Tuesday, 9 August 2016, between 0:00:00.00 and 0:02:07.81
- Ab: please submit your census form on Tuesday, 9 August 2016, between 0:02:07.82 and 0:04:15.62
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@blakeyrat said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
@flabdablet said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
Given that it boils down to freedom from Donald Trump, it's got an excellent rate of freedom returned on freedom invested.
How many monarchs do you have on your money?
We have zero.
EDIT: except Benjamin Franklin was "King Of Parties", but that's not official.
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@flabdablet said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
@blakeyrat said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
We have zero.
Don't feel bad. I'm sure Canada will lend you ours if you ask nicely.
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@anotherusername said in www.census.abs.gov.au self-slashdotted:
Not much margin for error.
You do realise that it's one form per household, not one per person? And that about a third of households opted for the paper form, as I mentioned upthread? So the number of online forms is about 6 million or so. (Less now, since some people have requested the paper forms in response to the outages, but I don't have any numbers on that.) 2.3 million were submitted before the outages.
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@Scarlet_Manuka yes, but you still fail to understand average vs. peak demand. So your grand total averaged rate is ~30% of your total capacity. Now realize that although you gave them a whole 24 hour day, a whole lot of those 6-7 million households will want to file their forms all at basically the same time: while they're awake and when it's most convenient for them.
I'd be curious to see a graph of forms/second, to a minute average, for the day.