Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article)
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@error said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Is this one of those pay-to-win deals? I'm ideologically opposed to that.
Not really. If you do the tutorial you get enough money to buy a decent medium or heavy. And if you don't want to do the tutorial, there's always about 8-10 mechs on the "trial" list you can use, but you can't switch their loadouts.
On average, you could buy a light mech after, say, 15-20 rounds, maybe twice that for a Clan light.
The mech in that pack have a 30% cbill bonus, and they come with Premium Time, which means you earn more XP and money while playing with them, but the mechs themselves aren't stronger than off-the-shelf mechs.
(To be fair, there are a few that are-- the Stalker Misery I talked about has a 10% bonus to basically everything, and can only be purchased with real cash moneys. But that'd only really matter if you did an all-Stalker match. The variance from different equipment loadouts and mech weights completely overshadows any one specific mech's bonus.) EDIT: actually since Stalkers are one of the weakest Assault mechs (only 85 tons, poorly-designed hitboxes), it kind of just makes the Misery a little more able to compete in its weight class.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
This laptop RESPECTS YOUR FREEDOM
Ports, Ports, PORTS! WE NEED MORE PORTS IT'S NOT UGLY ENOUGH YET!
Also, 400+ Euros for a core 2 duo?Why isn't the whole laptop Free (libre, because we have redefined the word Free!)?
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@cartman82 said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
requires you to insert the DVD every time to play it (bizarre windows-like install strategy that feels out of place on Unix)
Now that people are actually making games that work on Linux, welcome to the world of DRM. Sucker.
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@cartman82 said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
he can't script Steam client
Ugh--now I'm tempted to actually read the article to see why he'd want to do that, and not in a "just because" way.
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@FrostCat downloading at off peak times. Saved you a click
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@anonymous234 said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Steam breaks this and installs things in a simple single folder the Windows way
LOL! How DARE gaben not overcomplicate things, necessitating the inclusion of nonportable functionality.
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@FrostCat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Ugh--now I'm tempted to actually read the article to see why he'd want to do that, and not in a "just because" way.
He wants to download games when he's asleep, a feature Steam already has, and wants to pause downloads when he's playing a game, a feature Steam already has.
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@ben_lubar said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
ALT TAB
Cis-tab not good enough for you?
(yes, yes, the guacamole thread is )
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
downloads when he's playing a game, a feature Steam already has
Is there a way to turn that off? Steam seems to love pausing downloads whenever I launch anything, even though I play almost exclusively single player
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@lucas1 So you're saying that by getting annoyed on paying for something they don't use, it's proof that they don't pay for anything? I disagree with you.
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@blakeyrat Your making the mistake of assuming he will look in the preferences, he wants to setup a cron job since that is the "unix" way. Ignoring the fact that Steam is a desktop client.
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@error said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
So the game and the OS both process the input? I'm sure it won't be a problem when your clicking inside the game starts invoking random actions on your other screen.
Huh? Getting raw mouse input isn't something you have to specify in an app manifest and make it permanent through the whole runtime of the process. You can turn it on and off at will. When in game, turn on raw input. When on a pause screen or menu screen, turn it off. Simple.
@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Instead of actually putting the GPU into "full screen mode" or whatever, it just draws a borderless window that covers one entire monitor.
Yeah, but I've heard it's slower since it doesn't have exclusive access to the monitor anymore. I don't understand why moving the cursor between screens and having exclusive access to one of those screens is mutually exclusive.
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@Jaloopa I put a screenshot of the dialog in this VERY THREAD, maybe scroll up.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Like what?
Not being Windows, duh.
I mean, you just know his list of reasons is going to boil down to "I use caps lock + middle mouse button to move windows, unlike STUPID MICRO$OFT WHERE YOU CAN'T CUSTOMIZE THAT"
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@LB_ said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Yeah, but I've heard it's slower since it doesn't have exclusive access to the monitor anymore.
That was last true in maybe 2003.
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@Gurth said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@Erufael said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
lol Sure, put everything in root. Cuz thats a great idea.
You’ve clearly never had the pleasure of browsing around computers brought in for (minor) repairs to their software.
I didn't say it didn't happen. Just that it's not a good idea. ;)
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@LB_ said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Yeah, but I've heard it's slower since it doesn't have exclusive access to the monitor anymore.
That was last true in maybe 2003.
Ah, okay. I'm glad times have changed.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@candlejack1 said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
We don't need more crap. We get crap for free on Linux. But we can pay for good shit.
Linux people don't pay for anything.
Um, actually, Linux users pay more for games than other platforms' users (on average): http://cheesetalks.net/humble/
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@blakeyrat TIL I work for mythical creatures.
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@Jaloopa said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Ports, Ports, PORTS! WE NEED MORE PORTS IT'S NOT UGLY ENOUGH YET!
Fuck pretty, I'll take the extra ports.
Filed under: Better to have too many than too few., Not the kind of port this thread is about.
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@LB_ said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Ah, okay. I'm glad times have changed.
Well if you think about it, since Windows, OS X and presumably Linux all use the GPU to draw every pixel to screen now, any benefit you'd get from the GPU having full-control of a monitor you now have 24/7/365. Because the GPU's always in full-control of every monitor. There's no such thing as "CPU rendering" anymore.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@lucas1 https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/
This laptop RESPECTS YOUR FREEDOM! Unlike my Acer, which constantly fantasizes about locking me in a cell.
Whew, freedom ain't free apparently. Or cheap. A 2008 processor, 4 gigs of RAM and a 1280x800 screen for $500? Nah, I think I'll pass.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
A 2008 processor, 4 gigs of RAM and a 1280x800 screen for $500? Nah, I think I'll pass.
Way to put my Pyra preorder in perspective.
http://pandoralive.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/pyra-render.jpg
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@candlejack1 No I didn't say that, I don't know how you could have taken it that way.
I am saying that at the time (this was about 10 years ago before Dell XPS systems and chromebooks were a thing) a lot of Linux users complained about manufacturers not supporting their OS of choice, when pointed out there were smaller OEM manufacturers that guaranteed compatibility they said it was "too expensive" to buy those machines i.e. they wouldn't support manufacturers that were specifically making products for them.
This is kinda stupid already, even if you ignored the fact that average cost of a Windows OEM license to the likes of DELL or HP (in the XP / VISTA days) was less than $20 on a $1000, so it was literally like 1-2% of the total price.
So saying that Linux users don't "pay for things" was a valid complaint at the time and it is still somewhat of a valid complaint.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
His best example for what "native look and feel
uses kibblebytes instead of normal SI prefixes.
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@lucas1 said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@candlejack1 Most of the Linux die-hards used to complain about paying the "Windows Tax" when buying a notebook, ignoring the fact that Microsoft substantially discounts OEM copies of Windows to the likes of Dell, HP etc.
Interestingly enough though, if you buy a Dell Precision today and opt for a Ubuntu preinstall instead of Windows Pro you do get > 100 USD off.
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@FrostCat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
His best example for what "native look and feel
uses kibblebytes instead of normal SI prefixes.
Kibbles 'n bits.
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@pydsigner I would imagine it is different now.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
4 gigs of RAM
I like how they show RAM capacity in Gigglebytes but storage in normal unites (GB/TB). @ben_lubar should write them a threatmantic[1] note explaining that they're doing wrong.
[1] any vaguely-relevant portmanteau may be used here.
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@anonymous234 said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
FUCK YOU. I say this from the bottom of my heart. Of all the stupid things Linux has ever done, that filesystem structure is by far the worst one.
The best part is that he calls the way it does it the 'windows way', but windows doesn't really want you doing it that way either...
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Given the fact the intel reference UEFI implementation (as pretty much copypastad by every hardware manufacturer out there) has recently been shown to be bugged / backdoored, that might not be such a bad thing and potentially worth paying for.
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@Magus said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
The best part is that he calls the way it does it the 'windows way', but windows doesn't really want you doing it that way either...
Eh. The end-result is your program files are in Program Files, even if they're also inside the SteamApps folder.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
libreboot
Is it Lib Reboot, or Libre Boot?
Filed under: expertsexchange, penisland
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@dkf said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
It depended on what mouse button you used IIRC
Probably … it’s been about fifteen years and I don’t feel like installing my copy of SuSE 7.something in a VM to see if I can find one of those programs that did this and check the exact behaviour :)
It wasn't bad; it was just different. Almost any UI convention works provided it is used consistently.
Definitely. Most of the complaints about them come from people used to one thing and now “forced” to use another. (About half an hour before typing this post, I was tinkering with GEOS 1.5 on a Commodore 64 that got delivered to my door today, controlling it using a joystick — something I heartily advise anyone to do who thinks going from, say, Windows to OS X is so difficult they have to complain about it online.)
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@Gurth Trufax: the version of GEOS I had for my C-64 allowed you to set the "mouse" tracking speed to 0. Which meant the cursor never moved. It then auto-saved that setting to the disk. And since the cursor was required to do pretty much anything in GEOS, and there was no way to override the auto-saved settings when it started up, it made the product useless.
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@blakeyrat I think I may have to try and see if this version does that too, making sure to disable the write access to the disk first.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@lucas1 https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/
This laptop RESPECTS YOUR FREEDOM! Unlike my Acer, which constantly fantasizes about locking me in a cell.
That laptop looks almost identical to my IBM Thinkpads...
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Wait, it (practically) is! Today I Learned IBM is all about freedom?
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Those are mythical creatures, like unicorns.
My current workplace uses RHEL. I have worked for a company that used SEL. Regardless of whether they pay for "enterprise" support for the OS, the software I use every day costs >$10000/year/license, and even a modest sized company may have >100 licenses.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Wait, it (practically) is! Today I Learned IBM is all about freedom?
No, they're repurposed used Thinkpads: wipe the OS and apparently they've got an OSS version of the BIOS.
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Oh man, this article's awesome. First off, he uses footnotes, but like an asshole doesn't make them links, so you have to scroll up and down. Then, footnote 1, in the middle of condescending to any Windows readers, says "Linux" is "a gratis and open sour clone" of Unix.
I'll just bet.
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@FrostCat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
@Tsaukpaetra said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Wait, it (practically) is! Today I Learned IBM is all about freedom?
No, they're repurposed used Thinkpads: wipe the OS and apparently they've got an OSS version of the BIOS.
So in other words... a bootleg Thinkpad with the VIN scratched off?
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Oh this is a _gold_mine.
"the unfocussed windows sit at the left as small thumbnails, only 50-by-50 pixels so he can easily select which window has focus, if need be, he can split the screen easily between two windows which have focus."
IOW, Windows 3, when minimized applications sat as icons at the bottom of the desktop.
"Standard runtimes already have built in functionality for SIGTERM, they close the open files and close the application, this is typically insufficient for an application of the complexity of Steam which must perform more advanced cleanup in order to not constantly corrupt its own data when you close it. To this end, Steam has decided to trap the SIGTERM signal, and then ignore it. It does nothing when it receives this signal. This is considered a supremely bad practice. Upon receiving SIGTERM an application should immediately clean itself up and exit without asking for any further confirmation, opening a GUI popup with "Are you sure?" is already unacceptable, it should close instantly which is what most applications do."
"The way a SIGTERM handler normally works is not sufficient for Steam's needs, therefore Steam handling that signal its own way is wrong."
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@FrostCat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
Upon receiving SIGTERM an application should immediately clean itself up and exit without asking for any further confirmation, opening a GUI popup with "Are you sure?" is already unacceptable, it should close instantly which is what most applications do."
This is an annoyance I have with work's windows laptop. I tell it to shutdown, it takes several minutes and stop with an "are you sure?" dialog from some stupid program.
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@candlejack1 You could just suffer with that or you could, you know, shut that program down yourself before quitting Windows.
I'm not saying it's the best thing to do, but it sounds like it'd solve your problem.
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"32 bit is old, outdated, for some reason many Windows applications still use 32 bit. Sometimes an application doesn't actually need 64 bit for anything, and that's a valid reason to not switch but it means you need 32 bit libraries on your system."
Ignoring the poor grammar, "32-bit is old and outdated except if your program doesn't benefit from 64-bit", or "32-bit is lame except when it's not."
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@FrostCat it would still take forever to shut this thing down
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@FrostCat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
"The way a SIGTERM handler normally works is not sufficient for Steam's needs, therefore Steam handling that signal its own way is wrong."
"The way a SIGTERM handler normally works is not sufficient for Steam's needs, therefore Steam needs to handle that signal correctly, but the way it actually handles that signal is incorrect."
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
In the last 10 years of me reading Hacker News, Ars, etc. I've read more articles about companies using Mac Minis as servers than I've read about companies using RedHat.
Redhat servers are the workhorse of the internet. Most of the web apps and sites you see are served off centos or debian. You only hear about the mac minis due to the novelty factor.
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@blakeyrat said in Steam for Linux: The Port Report (article):
This laptop RESPECTS YOUR FREEDOM! Unlike my Acer, which constantly fantasizes about locking me in a cell.
Whoa, is that a serial port? Those are hard to come by these days. My father's electronics company would love that.