Let's play Tax Chicken!
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@Khudzlin said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
However, these subdivisions usually don't get to tax income (maybe they do in the countries that are federations, like Switzerland or Germany, but they certainly don't in the countries that aren't, like France).
In The Netherlands, I pay national and municipal taxes. I'm pretty sure I don't pay taxes to the province, but I do pay taxes to the water control board (an series of autonomous elected bodies responsible for keeping the sea/river water under control).
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If an area you don't live in tries to tax you, you should demand to be able to vote in that area's elections.
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@FrostCat said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
@anotherusername said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
It's technically 2 cities which border each other
According to Google Maps, there's a bit in one of the river bends where the state line marches right down a block.
Not sure if I see what you're talking about, but for almost the entire border that isn't river, there's a road (State Line Rd) that lies right between them.
@theBread said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
Technically the Kansas the City came before Kansas the State.
Yep.
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@FrostCat
France has both département and région but a municipalité can be rather small.
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@theBread said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
Another tax stupidity I had, and had accountants try to help me with it: I made income X in state A, then moved to state B where I made income Y. A has income tax, while B doesn't. So I assume that I pay state A's tax on X, and federal on X+Y. I was mistaken, as I got a letter from the state A's department of revenue saying there was a discrepancy and I needed to pay A's tax on X+Y as well, even though I never earned a dime of income Y in state A.
...what, you had to pay state A income tax on money earned in B while living in B, just because you lived and earned money in A for part of the year? I'd expect state A to want to charge you income tax on money earned in B while living in A (they might let you deduct the tax paid in B on the money earned in B while living in A, but in your case that was $0 because B didn't have an income tax), but not on money earned in B while you were living in B... it seems to me that'd fall outside of their jurisdiction. What'd your accountant say about it?
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@anotherusername It was some stupidity about how the states use federal Adjusted Gross Income, and ignore location. Since the income I put on my state return was a lot less than my fAGI, they said I owed more.
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@theBread but did you actually owe it? Seems that they shouldn't be able to tax money that was neither earned in their state nor by someone who was living in their state.
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@slapout1 The particularly unamusing part of the extra tax is that the total extent of my use of their services is my daily work poop's trip through the sewer.
We have a ramp straight from a federal highway into our parking lot.
Literally 1% of my income. To pooping.
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@Weng You'd have to pay me more than that to dispose of your poop.
Sounds like a bargain.
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And then, to make it even weirder, Louisiana calls its counties "parishes". Perhaps that's some holdover from French colonial days.
(I live and work in Colorado, which has counties.)
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@slavdude
IIRC parish is a strictly ecclesiastical term.
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@pydsigner said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
parish is a strictly ecclesiastical term
Nope, Louisiana really does have parishes instead of counties. Oh, and Alaska has boroughs.
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@lolwhat I meant before Louisiana started using it.
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The US insists that I file taxes every year being a citizen and all. Since I live and work in communist Kanuckistan, I never actually pay anything thanks to our tax treaty and somewhat higher tax rates but do the paperwork and send it in or else...
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@anotherusername said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
Not sure if I see what you're talking about, but for almost the entire border that isn't river, there's a road (State Line Rd) that lies right between them.
Yes, State Line Road is what I was talking about. From Google Map's satellite view, it looks like one unbroken light commercial/industrial area.
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@theBread said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
It was some stupidity about how the states use federal Adjusted Gross Income, and ignore location. Since the income I put on my state return was a lot less than my fAGI, they said I owed more.
IIRC some states simply use the federal W-4 to calculate your state income tax, but you can optionally file a state form to declare a different amount of income for that state.
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@slavdude said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
And then, to make it even weirder, Louisiana calls its counties "parishes". Perhaps that's some holdover from French colonial days.
Yes. A lot of Louisiana's history and legal background comes from the Napoleonic Code instead of English Common law.
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@pydsigner said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
I meant before Louisiana started using it.
300 years ago?
At some point you gotta update that dictionary, bud.
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@FrostCat ah. Yeah, I see what you're talking about.
The main difference between the two sides is that KC MO itself is huge, and actually completely surrounds (or very nearly completely surrounds) several smaller cities, while KC KS is pretty small by comparison -- most of the area on the KS side is actually other cities... if you zoom in there's a few more that aren't even shown at this zoom level:
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@blakeyrat You're missing my point, which is that its odd that Louisiana's counties are referred to with an ecclesiastical term.
But, LMGTFus:
https://www.google.com/search?q=why+are+louisiana's+counties+called+parishesLouisiana was officially Roman Catholic under both France and Spain's rule. The boundaries dividing the territories generally coincided with church parishes. In 1807, the territorial legislature officially adopted the ecclesiastical term.
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@fbmac said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
is there a practical difference between a town and a city? and a village?
I was taught years ago that a city needs to have a cathedral.
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@izzion said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
Lubbock County
That's... an interesting example to pick, since I know someone from there :O
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@pydsigner said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
You're missing my point, which is that its odd that Louisiana's counties are referred to with an ecclesiastical term.
Then why didn't you put that exact point in your original comment? Not to mention that while the term parish has a couple ecclesiastical definitions, it also has several non-ecclesiastical ones... which makes it not a strictly ecclesiastical term.
Dammit, I want my
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@Weng said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
In State C, there is the fed, the state, a nebulous county and zillions of postage stamp "cities". Cities often cooperate or even annex each other, providing shared services. Different services may have different coverage zones. Generally every bullshit little town has its own court, as this allows them to collect traffic fine revenue.
That's how the state I live in works.
There are even temporary annexations that have an expiration date (although it can apparently be extended once).
I used to have to know all this because I worked on a map editor used by the state government.
For extra fun, villages converting to cities (it's a direct conversion in my state) requires state government approval, but there was one village that did this and then tried to run an election as a city before the state approved it...
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@Khudzlin said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
The EU is only equivalent to the federal government in a very superficial way, and there was absolutely no thought put into making the EU into a single country.
In particular, the states of the US don't have standing armies or nuclear weapons.
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@fbmac said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
@devjoe so counties can contain cities and things that aren't inside cities, and is contained by the state?
is there a practical difference between a town and a city? and a village?
In New York, it goes like this:
A city is a major population center (probably at least 100k people?). A village is what would likely be known in other places as a town. A village is the actual population center (usually a pretty small one, but still), with Main Street, the shops, etc. A town is everything else.So, you have Wayne County, which holds all this junk. Inside that you have, say, the Town of Arcadia. Then inside of Arcadia you have the Village of Newark. Each body is separate, but contained in a larger body. Sort of like encapsulation if you're into OOP.
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@fbmac said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
@kt_ said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
województwo
I'm impressed how you people can learn your own language. Your words looks like random characters to me.
Have you taken a close, objective, look at English lately?
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@BatConley said in Let's play Tax Chicken!:
Have you taken a close, objective, look at English lately?
I learned all I know about english playing ms-dos point and click adventure games, like indiana jones and monkey island.
