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Until just the last few years, those words were entirely synonymous.
Not entirely. Gender is also a grammatical category, while sex is not.I know, English is an extraordinarily dull language which doesn't have too many gendered words for inanimate objects (ships and cities come to mind which are feminine AFAIR), but there's a lot of languages where every noun is gendered.
A spoon sure doesn't have a sex, but the word for it is feminine in most Slavic languages; "street" is feminine in Slavic languages and masculine in Hebrew.
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From now on, I will be lying if I say I've never watched it before.
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Until just the last few years, those words were entirely synonymous.
Until the last few decades, those words were entirely separate.
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Until the last few decades, those words were entirely separate.
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And yes, I absolutely knew you would fall for that bait.
Paging @wft
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And yes, I absolutely knew you would fall for that bait.
I'll call you on your bullshit anywhere you put it. Doesn't mean I "fell" for anything. :)Paging @wft
To agree with me? Gee, thanks.
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Not exactly...
Gender is also a grammatical category, while sex is not.
I know, English is an extraordinarily dull language which doesn't have too many gendered words for inanimate objects (ships and cities come to mind which are feminine AFAIR), but there's a lot of languages where every noun is gendered.
A spoon sure doesn't have a sex, but the word for it is feminine in most Slavic languages; "street" is feminine in Slavic languages and masculine in Hebrew.
Oh, look, he posted a summary of the same stuff I've posted numerous times...
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Oh, look, he posted a summary of the same stuff I've posted numerous times...
So what? That doesn't mean it is why I @-mentioned him.
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ships and cities come to mind which are feminine AFAIR
Ah, yes, why are ships referred to as "she"? Apparently you subscribe to the word gender theory. The problem there is that the modern English word for ship doesn't really have a gender, and you pretty much have to reach into another language (such as Latin) to get a feminine word for ship (the Latin word being Navis). That doesn't really make sense, the English word ship is feminine because the Latin word Navis is feminine? I doubt that. Especially since other languages have conflicting genders all the time. No, that can't be right.
Maybe it has something to do with this little ditty, which can be found posted in wardrooms in the US Navy, or printed on tea towels:
A ship is called a she because there is always a great deal of bustle around her; there is usually a gang of men about; she has a waist and stays; it takes a lot of paint to keep her good-looking; it is not the initial expense that breaks you, it is the upkeep; she can be all decked out; it takes an experienced man to handle her correctly; and without a man at the helm, she is absolutely uncontrollable. She shows her topsides, hiders her bottom and, when coming into port, always heads for the buoys.
While it sounds nice and it's fun, it probably isn't accurate.
Another possibility is that some seafarers would name their ships after their women, and then they would of course want to refer to the ship as she. Or, if they didn't have a woman, their ship was their woman.
Of course, Old English did use gendered nouns, much like modern German. However, this likely would not have led to ship having a feminine inclination as almost all Old English words for ship were neuter or Masculine. In fact, the word that eventually became ship was neuter:
No, modern English does not have gendered nouns, it just doesn't. There are objects that frequently personified with a specific gender, but that is not the same thing.
Sources: - http://www.glossophilia.org/?p=1411 - http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/12/ships.html - http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/she-as-a-pronoun-for-a-ship.400141/ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_in_English#Gender_in_Old_English - http://www.oldenglishtranslator.co.uk/ - https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ship%20etymologyOk, I'll conceded that there may be a few gender specific words, such as actor/actress, widow/widower, and so on, but definitely not the ones you picked. And I'm not convinced that being gender specific is the same as the word itself having a gender.
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NEVAR FORGET - Jan 11, 2016
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This would be truly epic if we could get Blakey to like that post as well. XSS + clickjacking maybe?
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Until the last few decades, those words were entirely separate.
You're saying they're not separate now?
Or that people saw them as distinct concepts before a few decades ago? People didn't conflate sex and gender (roles) before circa 1980? Are you sure?
For some reason, you feel compelled to force your answers into this terrible I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I format and it results in a post that usually makes no sense and is invariably poor rhetoric (i.e. obnoxious).
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You're saying they're not separate now?
They are. I'm saying that people acknowledged the differences between the two terms until relatively recently. Or perhaps that the people who didn't were less likely to encounter the ones who did, since sexist pigs and educated scholars usually didn't bump into each other in the street and strike up conversation, whereas now we have the internet.
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XSS + clickjacking
But
is too civilized to be vulnerable to something as barbaric as XSS, right?
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But
is too civilized to be vulnerable to something as barbaric as XSS, right?YMBNH
And yes, I realize you were being sarcastic.
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sexist pigs and educated scholars usually didn't bump into each other in the street
Before a few decades ago, these two groups were largely the same.
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sexist pigs and educated scholars usually didn't bump into each other in the street
Before a few decades ago, these two groups were largely the same.
Presuming these are the only two types of people who exist.
What if I am cross-sexist? A sexist pig on the outside, but really really feel like an educated scholar on the inside?
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What if I am cross-sexist? A sexist pig on the outside, but really really feel like an educated scholar on the inside?
You're probably a "male feminist" primarily focused on banging undergrads.
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You're probably a "male feminist" primarily focused on banging undergrads.
You say that like it is a bad thing...
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You're probably a "male feminist" primarily focused on banging undergrads.
That sounds more like looks-like-scholar, pig-inside.
Wouldn't cartman's pig-outside, feels-like-scholar be like PUA or whatever?
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Wouldn't cartman's pig-outside, feels-like-scholar be like PUA or whatever?
Oh, does a sexist have to anti-female / pro-male?
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Oh, does a sexist have to anti-female / pro-male?
No.
You're the only one who implied that a sexist would be a particular gender:
"male feminist"
So suck it! (Note: could refer to dick or clit)
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You're the only one who implied that a sexist would be a particular gender:
I was responding to @cartman82 who has always presented as male, AFAIK.
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What a shocker. Lorne didn't like it.
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Until just the last few years, those words were entirely synonymous.
Among dickholes.
I learned the difference in high school, in the mid-90s.
But then I live in a State where gay marriage was legal long before the Feds got around to it and also where the state song isn't "Dixie".
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I learned the difference in high school, in the mid-90s.
So they were teaching you guys gender theory instead of stuff like metaphor?
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But then I live in a State where gay marriage was legal long before the Feds got around to it
Oh yes, a whole 2.5 years before. Soooooooo progressive.
Fuck off. To hear you tell it, gay marriage has been legal there since the 60's.
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There's poetry. Does it exist in your world?
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He's just upset that there isn't more brony love in here.
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I was responding to @cartman82 who has always presented as male, AFAIK.
I turn my back for a minute, and what do I find? Again with the unfounded rumors about the skirt.
For the last time, I LIKE THE FEELING OF BREEZE AROUND MY BALLS! MY BIG MANLY MAN'S BALLS! THAT'S IT!
Jeesh.
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I learned the difference in high school, in the mid-90s.
But then I live in a State where gay marriage was legal long before the Feds got around to it and also where the state song isn't "Dixie".
You sound strangely proud about the fact of where you happened to grow up.
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You sound strangely proud about the fact of where you happened to grow up.
He refers to it as the mother land. He wants to keep it pure. He is just a few Seig Heils away from becoming Goebbels.
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What a shocker. Lorne didn't like it.
Do you use the same name over on poniverse and equestriadaily?
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Goebbels
My mental image right now: Goebbels dressed like this:
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But more likely, employers will just wonder, "What's wrong with this guy? Doesn't he know this isn't the expected mode of behavior in this situation?
Quite honestly, I've seen more immature behavior from people who can cross their t's and dot their i's on that list of civil professionalism, than I've ever seen from a programmer in a T-shirt.
In fact, it's usually the programmer in a suit that's the problem.
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Look, the point is that until very recently, human beings didn't even have two genders. Humans just asexually reproduced by division. One human-- SPLIT-- two humans.
Somewhere in the 50s, once nuclear tests really took off-- something caused a mass mutation in humans. All of a sudden BAM females out of fucking nowhere. Human kind was NOT prepared for them, or the power that sexual reproduction would hold over us. They used radical, in-your-face feminism, free-sex movements, and a cabal group that distributed drugs like candy. Those factors, along with the ever growing aggression of the newly formed "males" due to sexual repression causing wars all over the place, allowed them to secretly seize control of the world's governments.
Their first order of business was, of course, re-writing the history books to make it seem like females had always been there. It was a challenge at first, because of the top-notch education system. This required social engineering on a global scale, convincing people that learning history "wasn't cool", instilling an utter disdain for education, and inventing Creationism to attack education on all fronts. This weakening of cultural memory allowed them to rewrite the books, and convince the world of the new truth. Unfortunately, that created some long-lasting effects we feel even today, which is why the US is, like, 97th in the world for education. Short-term pain, though.
Entertainment was both easier and harder. It's easy to re-invent fiction. They just had to bullshit up this idea of "romance" being the center of the universe, and that love is what drives a poet's heart. Every pretentious asshole who writes thinkpieces about The Meaning Of Things lapped it up like cream. The newfems barely had to put any effort into writing the "classics". Why do you think Romeo and Juliet is such trite crap? They were pumping out title after title of "classics". Movies and TV were harder. Thankfully, though, TV was barely being archived, so there was very little work to do. Movies-- well, there weren't a lot of movies, and the film quality was so low that only minor modification to the stock was needed to make "females" appear.
The last step in the plan was to only control the world from behind the scenes. So they invented female oppression. In every facet of life-- literally everywhere-- they repeated the narrative that "females are oppressed". Less wages. Sexually taken advantage of. Unable to get high powered jobs. Religiously persecuted. This made them "the victims", and no one would ever suspect "the weaker sex" of actually being powerful masterminds. It was, again, short-term pain to blend in. They've parlayed it into an over-abundence of power, of course, and now society is just catching up to the cabal-power they actually have.
There are, of course, still some artifacts left over from the revolution. This topic being exactly one of them-- the idea that gender != sex != sexual identity != sexual preference. The radfems just didn't anticipate there being that much lingering "old memory" in the pronouns we use. It's, ironically enough, a self-fixing problem with people like @fox muddying the waters at every opportunity. It plays right into the radfems hands, since they literally don't have to do anything. We're doing it to ourselves.
There. Hope that clarifies things for you.
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Picture of blakey:
Pfft. If Blakey wore a pony costume you know he'd be some kind of emo or troll pony.
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He seems like a "wears chaps without jeans under" sort of person to me.
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You are 15 kinds of genius.
Fed-ex me your dick and I'll suck it. (no homo)
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There's poetry. Does it exist in your world?
Oh, was my explanation of English not having gendered nouns not comprehensive enough for you? Was I supposed to write a 50 page thesis for you? Frack that. I wrote enough to show that you were wrong about English having gendered nouns. Poetry doesn't support support the point that modern English has gendered nouns, so it didn't need to be included.
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2 years is an entire election cycle. That is political forever.
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So they were teaching you guys gender theory instead of stuff like metaphor?
That would explain a lot now that you mention it.
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@Lorne_Kates said:
97th in the world for education
#1 reason is because we choose to educate everyone.
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(no homo)
Why are you so afraid of being associated with homosexuality.
Is it your frail masculinity?
:P
