Jeff gets it off his chest
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>If you hang out with people who make human art, don't be surprised if you develop a high human arterence and end up becoming part of the problem.
Enhanced.
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https://twitter.com/samsaffron/status/648263173821239297
http://i.imgur.com/qpMvshz.png
(that image is, of course):
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Or we could go for the highly classy elementary school response of "sure you are, but what are we?"
Or "well, we're glad we got the Discourse team out of our community before any negative effects rubbed off."
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I would just like to say that other than Meta.d, I have never been banned from any online community of any form. And now the only black mark on the good @mott555 name is one I had little to do with, from a community I'd mostly withdrawn from.
I wonder if my Twitter account is blocked too. I've literally never tweeted or followed anyone from it before.
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I wonder if my Twitter account is blocked too. I've literally never tweeted or followed anyone from it before.
Follow Jeff and see what happens? (too soon?)
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other than Meta.d, I have never been banned from any online community of any form
Ditto. Interestingly enough, every other online community I have seen/been a part of has a clearly defined 'code of conduct' which (sane) forum software makes you read when you sign up. They ALL then issue warnings if they feel your behaviour is out of line. Meta.d leaves you to guess what they consider acceptable conduct, and then ban+delete posts if you piss them off. I have never seen an admin team that toxic to the community before.
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I would just like to say that other than Meta.d, I have never been banned from any online community of any form.
I got blocked from Scans_Daily for pointing out their policy made no sense. Specifically the part where offended people were allowed to break all the normal rules (including offending others).
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Meta.d leaves you to guess what they consider acceptable conduct, and then ban+delete posts if you piss them off.
They have something that works as a code of conduct, more or less.
Initially, they just delete your stuff. If you keep it up, you get the ban hammer. Though I specifically asked, got a response and changed my behavior, thus avoiding the user specific ban hammer, which can itself be sooper arbitrary, as @abarker demonstrated.
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How do you even find a link to that? I just had a quick look over at meta.d and could only find meta.discourse.org/t/welcome-to-meta-discourse-org/1. It isn't linked to in their sign up or pinned/mentioned in the pinned post and is pretty much undiscoverable without it being given to you on a plate...
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It isn't linked to in their sign up or pinned/mentioned in the pinned post and is pretty much undiscoverable without it being given to you on a plate
Jeff knows where it is, so no UI is needed to locate it. It never occurred to him that other people don't know what he knows.
I realized something this weekend. I was listening to some guys talk about their young kids. Stuff about how unaware they are, or things that they cannot see at the moment must not exist anymore, etc. And all their stories reminded me of someone...
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It's the first entry in the hamburger menu. I believe you get a link in the PM you get when you sign up.
I don't see it in our hamburger menu, but we made a FAQ that, y'know, had actual questions in it. Maybe it goes away if you're logged in and have read it? BTW, one of the things I got my wrist slapped for was pointing out that their "Frequently Asked Questions" page had zero questions on it. Not a single question mark anywhere on the page!
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You can get to ours from the About page (which link is at the bottom of the hamburger menu):
https://what.thedailywtf.com/about
And then go to the "Guidelines" page. Which is a reasonable title for that page, whatever you think of its content.
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Ah, just seen it. I don't think I read the entire "Welcome to meta.d" PM, it seemed to be a guide on how to use discourse so I just ignored it. Anything past about the 1/2 way point wasn't looked at. I have just checked the one here, and it looks to be substantially the same (from what I remember), with the link to guidelines at the very bottom. I'm pretty sure I did read that one, and came to the conclusion it is just common sense stuff mostly.
Also, while I was looking I wasn't looking for FAQs, as that in my mind is things like "I forgot my password" and "How to I create a topic" I was after "Posting Guidelines" or "Terms of Use". Anyway, TIL where that shit is in discourse.
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hamburger menu
Hidden information is a to
Why is there no keyboard shortcut to bring up the Frequently Asked
Only developers read PMs. This should be whispered to the user after each of their first 500 posts.
Filed under: How's the new forums coming?
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@Lorne_Kates said:
Why is there no keyboard shortcut to bring up the Frequently Asked
Because there are no Frequently asked s. Like I pointed out.
@Lorne_Kates said:
Filed under: How's the new forums coming?
Making progress!
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Because there are no Frequently asked s. Like I pointed out.
Frequently told DOING IT WRONGs doesn't have the same ring to it.
Making progress!
Fuck yeah.
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Making progress!
Did you decide on a platform yet? Just curious and too lazy to go fiddling through the topics with hundreds of unread posts.
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Did you decide on a platform yet?
Seems to be the only credible alternative right now.
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@boomzilla said:
Making progress!
Did you decide on a platform yet? Just curious and too lazy to go fiddling through the topics with hundreds of unread posts.
It seems all of the ones we are considering are under active development, thus, progress has been made on whichever platform we will select.
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Interesting. I'm sure whatever platform you "formally" choose, will likely be put to a wonderful stress test that will show glorious failure. I just hope they are more open to your testing styles than your former platform of
choice(no one chooses Discourse, Discourse forces you to choose it and then laughs)
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A couple of NodeBB people (@julianlam / @psychobunny) have signed up here, and we've been interacting with them here and there and in our testing sandbox. See our NodeBB topic:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/nodebb/51147
We've submitted at least one bug at github, which I think has been fixed (at least, changes were made and a dev marked it that way, we haven't deployed and tested it ourselves).
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The control panel is telling me to upgrade, will do that later.
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Jeff knows where it is, so no UI is needed to locate it. It never occurred to him that other people don't know what he knows.
This is a test that distinguishes 3-year-olds from 2-year-olds, usually...
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The control panel is telling me to upgrade, will do that later.
If that's NodeBB panel: cool, they actually do upgrades
If that's Dickhorse panel: HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING!?!?!?!!
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@Lorne_Kates said:
If that's NodeBB panel: cool, they actually do upgrades
We get a lot of requests for a one-click upgrader. We all like**emphasized text the idea, but upgrading is risky enough that that "one click upgrade" button turns into a "one click bricking" button.
Still, though, if we can resolve some underlying issues (automated/on-demand backups, a sane rollback procedure...), then we can move that from a pipe dream and into reality.
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"one click regression roulette"
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I got blocked from Scans_Daily for pointing out their policy made no sense. Specifically the part where offended people were allowed to break all the normal rules (including offending others).
I see the problem - you should have said you were offended by their policy. Then they couldn't block you!
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resolve some underlying issues
a sane rollback procedure...
Discourse doesn't bother with any of this.
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+1
Excerpt from the article:
But as a career programmer who founded two successful software startups, I am deeply skeptical about teaching all kids to code.
I agree. We already learn logical thinking from doing proofs in Geometry class. This is the only justification I can think of for teaching all kids to code, which would be redundant.
One of the great achievements of modern computing is that we no longer need to be programmers to create, build and get things done with the amazing supercomputers that everyone carries around in their pockets.
Exactly.
Now, it appears that Jeff didn't read far enough into the article, or he would have found this gem and not posted that 'learning to code is overrated' silliness:
But as someone who’s been immersed in the digital world for most of his life, I can attest: Computer science is less an intellectual discipline than a narrow vocational skill.
Vocational skill. Skills are developed through learning and practice. One does not become a grand master pianist by just playing with the piano as he goes along; there is a tech in reading the notes, positioning the hands, working the fingers, to make the music sound aesthetic rather than a bunch of discord. By the same token, one does not become a master programmer solely by picking up a copy of VB.NET and self-teaching how to make the computer say "hello world". There are exceptions, but even then - see below.
A scientist who wants to learn about volcanoes, but ignores everything we've learned about volcanoes up to this point and tries to reinvent the knowledge all by himself for himself, will die stupid about volcanoes. Same with programming: how to code in certain languages is taught in textbooks and classes, and best practices are learned through referencing and applying industry standards for things like version control. Treat that as 'overrated', and you end up hiring a lot of people that consume a lot of resources just getting up to speed on how to do their job, IF they ever do get up to speed. Which makes the exception I referenced above that does work out costly.
EDIT: Oh wait, JEFF wrote that! He doesn't even listen to himself ROFLMAO...
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Now, it appears that Jeff didn't read far enough into the article, or he would have found this gem and not posted that 'learning to code is overrated' silliness:
But as someone who’s been immersed in the digital world for most of his life, I can attest: Computer science is less an intellectual discipline than a narrow vocational skill.
Vocational skill. Skills are developed through learning and practice.
He also apparently is confusing computer science with coding. And we all know he doesn't know about software engineering.
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A scientist who wants to learn about volcanoes, but ignores everything we've learned about volcanoes up to this point and tries to reinvent the knowledge all by himself for himself, will die stupid about volcanoes.
And will quite possibly die stupidly IN a volcano.
"Wait, these things produce carbon monoxide, since hweweeeeenn.... {pass out and die}"
"There's no lava here, so it's obviously an inactive volcano. I'll just set up base camp here. {burnt to death by lava flow in night}"
"Volcanos don't get angry at Yo Mama jokes, so here's a good one-- {gets beaten to death by a Volcano with too much testosterone and an Oedipus complex"
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>But as someone who’s been immersed in the digital world for most of his life, I can attest: Computer science is less an intellectual discipline than a narrow vocational skill.
Perhaps he should have spent less time immersed in the digital world and more time immersed in a class that would have taught him what computer science is.
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But in this digital world, what can we do?
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WHAT CAN WE DO?
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"one click regression roulette"
And just like chat roulette you have a high chance of ending up with a dick
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you have a high chance of ending up with a dick
Dude, you're getting obsessed with my "long name".
Filed under: Just like your mom
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Filed udder: And my mom?
@Luhmann's mom is a bovine? That would explain some things beyond his Belgium resident status...
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Filed udder: And my mom?
I often get off on your mom's chest.
Filed under: That was inappropriate</a?
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Is this better than a FORTRAN Necklace?
Remember to use protection kids, you wouldn't want to catch VB.
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That reminds me, programming is a lot like sex.
One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life!
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That reminds me, programming is a lot like sex.
One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life!
Hundreds of "mistakes" and you get a cult following and call it Discourse and JEFF IS A WANKER.
Filed under: Hmm, that one kinda got away from me there.
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The analogy brakes down ...
With only wanking you don't get any offspring
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Don't know what you have done, but it's right there next to the about link for me...