Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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So your issue is really that you can't accelerate as quickly as you'd like
My issue is that you're still missing the point. For every complaint you have about cyclists, I have the equivalent complaint about cars when they don't meet my vehicle's performance characteristics. When I'm on a motorcycle you're too fat and slow, when I'm in a truck you're darting all over the place or hiding in blind spots and trying to get squished, when I'm in a tractor, holy shit you're impatient and taking massive risks.
I have not complained that cyclists are allowed to use the road.
Perhaps you personally have not. You all merge into one massive entitled blob in this thread.
all the anger, rage, fury, whatever you want to call it, in this thread that has been aimed at cyclists is aimed at incompetent/asshole cyclists
Some people think that's all cyclists. @boomzilla I'm talking about you.
Some people can't tell the difference between competent and arsehole. @Steve_The_Cynic this might be you but I don't know enough about the situation you described to condemn you as thouroughly.
Not dressing properly for night rides
This is unfortunately common. I yell at these cyclists as they pass. Yes, I'm that guy.
Not obeying the rules of the road (e.g. failure to obey signage)
Also common. We don't all do this.
Not using dedicated bikes lanes, which forces traffic to 10-15MPH in a 45 MPH zone.
Where I am, bikes are not required to use dedicated lanes. I've offered a few possible explanations as to why they don't. Maybe those explanations aren't applicable in your area, but just because I can't explain it from here doesn't mean there's no reason.
cyclists are using the road in such a way that motorists cannot pass
I've explained why we do this too. We haven't really made it so you cannot pass when you should be able to, we've made it obvious to you that you cannot pass without committing homocide. We don't change reality, we change your perception of reality to improve our safety. Mostly.
instead of politely using the shoulder
The shoulder is a terrible place to ride. It's full of debris: broken wood off trees, loose gravel, busted car parts from moron cagers, litter from moron cagers, dead animals hit by moron cagers. I generally avoid the shoulder too.
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The shoulder is a terrible place to ride. It's full of debris: broken wood off trees, loose gravel, busted car parts from moron cagers, litter from moron cagers, dead animals hit by moron cagers. I generally avoid the shoulder too.
And you complain about the rest of us being biased.
You're autophobic!
Help! I've been microaggressed!
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Help! I've been microaggressed!
Microaggressed?! I was trying to straight-up aggress you!
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If I'm confused it's because you have communicated poorly.
No, it's because your'e wrong. Very common problem.
Some people think that's all cyclists. @boomzilla I'm talking about you.
Yes, person propelled bikes shouldn't be mixed with the motorized vehicles. Just like pedestrians shouldn't. It's pretty simple, really, and quite different than your complaint about other types of motorized vehicles, though stuff that wasn't really meant for road travel, like farm tractors, gets pretty close.
NB: This is excluding residential streets (I've made that point before, but I probably need to refresh it here).
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On a 45
km/hmph road, your car is going 3 times as fast as my bicycle.On any sidewalk, I am going 6 times as fast as many pedestrians.
I do not think a bicycle should ever be driving on the sidewalk. Though separate bikepaths are preferrable over sharing the main road as well IMO.
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The only %5 signs I've seen are 5km/h in parking or private areas. Noone gives a fuck obviously since you can't really drive a car at such speeds.
The rest of the limits are always divisible with 10.
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Huh? Was meaning to type MPH there.
In the Netherlands we have 30 km/h residential, 50 km/h in city limits, 80 km/h outside city limits, and 100 km/h or 130 km/h motorways. The 100 km/h and higher roads never allow bikes or tractors, the 80 km/h commonly have bike lanes.
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On a 45 km/hmph road, your car is going 3 times as fast as my bicycle.
On any sidewalk, I am going 6 times as fast as many pedestrians.
Now include the relative masses for comparisons. The absolute difference is also a big factor. I think what I'm trying to say here is that you're wrong.
I do not think a bicycle should ever be driving on the sidewalk. Though separate bikepaths are preferrable over sharing the main road as well IMO.
If they had a special path / sidewalk lane, then OK. I will agree that's preferable to the sidewalk. The mostly empty sidewalk is still generally preferable to the busy with cars street (like I said before, this doesn't apply in places with tons of pedestrians).
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bike lanes
a lot of those
never allow bikes or tractors
but the 80 km/h roads while having bike lanes do allow tractors meaning you can be stuck for several km and you are not allowed to overtake.
And then you reach the Belgian border. The bike lane literally stops at the border dumping the cyclists on the main road while at the same time the speed limit increases to 90 km/h and the number of potholes increases dramatically. Only light point is that now you can overtake that damn tractor.
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The rest of the limits are always divisible with 10.
It's rare to see a speed limit sign in the US that doesn't end in 5. It happens, but it's the exception.
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Ever?
It felt like forever. In reality the place you are allowed to overtake are much more limited then in Belgium. Here you generally are allowed except around crossroads, bents and stuff. In the Netherlands they have long stretches where you aren't allowed to overtake without apparent reason.
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Because when you were converting from metric limits to Burmese it was more accurate to round to nearest 5.
50 km/h -> round up to 35
90 km/h -> 55
120 km/h -> 75
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Serious question though:
are the values on your car's speedometer also ending in 5 i.e. main values would be 5, 15, 25 and so on, with the tens in between them?
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One of my cars has 5s and the other has 10s. On the MPH numbers. I have no idea what the KPH numbers are because I never look at them. Well, I did that one time, when I went to Niagra, but it was weird.
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On a 45
km/hmph road, your car is going3 times as fast as30mph faster than my bicycle.On any sidewalk, I am going
67.5 times as fast asFTFY, assuming that average biking speed is 15mph and average walking speed is 2mph, which are both reasonable figures. And yes, I did FTFY, because the absolute differences in speed are more important than the relative differences.
Now, as @boomzilla said:
include the relative masses for comparisons.
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average walking speed is 2mph
It'd kill my knees to go that slow (yes, I hate going shopping for that reason). 3mph is closer to the mark.
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And yes, I did FTFY, because the absolute differences in speed are more important than the relative differences.
Probably depends on which aspect you're looking at. For speed perception, or delay incurred, I'd say relative differences are more important.
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@abarker said:
average walking speed is 2mph
It'd kill my knees to go that slow (yes, I hate going shopping for that reason). 3mph is closer to the mark.
Fine, let's say 2-3, call it even at 2.5. Happy?
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Probably depends on which aspect you're looking at. For speed perception, or delay incurred, I'd say relative differences are more important.
I was thinking along the lines of injury risk in the event of an impact, relatively important factor
ywhen deciding where bikes should go.
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important factory when deciding where bikes should go.
How about scrap metal recycling factory?
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@abarker said:
important factory when deciding where bikes should go.
How about scrap metal recycling factory?
Fixed
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As long as we're talking about bicycles, yesterday I passed a bicyclist going up a hill. I gave her plenty of room as I passed. I then had to turn right at the next intersection, so I put my right turn signal on, and stopped because the light was red. There was only one lane. Before traffic clears and allows me to make the turn, the idiot bicyclist pulls up adjacent on my right side as if to pass me (although there was no lane there) and go thru the red light, despite me having my right turn signal on. I had to give her a good solid glare to figure out whether she intended to blow thru the light on my right side as soon as traffic cleared. She didn't, so there's that at least... I was able to turn right without knocking her over. But what the fuck, seriously? I had my goddamn turn signal on. If you're on a bicycle, or any other vehicle really, don't pull up on the right side of a car that is fucking turning right. Jesus.
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How about scrap metal recycling factory?
Can we have at least a scrap xml recycling factory factory ... otherwise it doesn't feel enterprisey enough
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Can we have at least a scrap xml recycling factory factory ... otherwise it doesn't feel enterprisey enough
Needs to be a scrap XML recycling factory factory bean.
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Beh, not generic enough. Why not just pool the Document instances?
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The only good type of Java comes in a cup.
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It's rare to see a speed limit sign in the US that doesn't end in 5. It happens, but it's the exception.
That depends on where you are. In WA, all freeways are 60, and arterial streets tend to be 30. In CA, rural freeways are 70.
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Before traffic clears and allows me to make the turn, the idiot bicyclist pulls up adjacent on my right side as if to pass me (although there was no lane there) and go thru the red light, despite me having my right turn signal on
Obviously signalling your intention to turn was microagressing her, you jerk.
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In WA, all freeways are 60, and arterial streets tend to be 30.
Not all of Washington believes in your pansy ways. Where I grew up, arterial streets are 35, freeways are generally 60 or 65 in city limits and 70 or 75 outside (been awhile since I went back, so I can't remember which). Highways besides the interstate are 55.
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I don't drive it all that often, so I'm not 100% sure, but I think I-5 is 60 all the way to the OR border. East of the Cascades, who cares; I've actually never been there.
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average biking speed is 15mph
I've ridden 160 miles in 6.5 hrs before. The first 100 was done in 3.5 hrs. YEAH TAIL-WIND!!! (Straight north from Carbondale IL to Decatur.)
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If you're on a bicycle, or any other vehicle really, don't pull up on the right side of a car that is fucking turning right.
You don't catch me doing that!
But if you're a car, don't FUCKING pass me and hook a turn right in front of me. (I hope to hell my bike scraped the shit out his paint. All I know is I was laying in the road, cracked my helmet, and they sped off. Several other cars stopped to make sure I was ok - I was - just PISSED - other than needing to buy a new helmet)
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I don't drive it all that often, so I'm not 100% sure, but I think I-5 is 60 all the way to the OR border. East of the Cascades, who cares; I've actually never been there.
You elitist westerner! Eastern Washington is awesome!
Anyway, the freeways in the mountains do have a lower speed limit, They're all twisty and bendy and shit.
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@abarker said:
average biking speed is 15mph
I've ridden 160 miles in 6.5 hrs before. The first 100 was done in 3.5 hrs. YEAH TAIL-WIND!!! (Straight north from Carbondale IL to Decatur.)
Good for you. Do you want a cookie now?
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Eastern Washington is awesome!
Actually...™, I don't have anything against eastern WA; I've just never had a reason to go there, I can't really afford the gas to do a lot of driving for fun, and I don't really trust the reliability of my 14-year-old minivan to do a lot of driving that I don't really need to do.
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Do you want a cookie now?
Cookies have a mix of simple carbohydrates, complex carbohydrates and fats for both quick and sustained energy during long bike rides. Yes, please. :)
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Actually...™, I don't have anything against eastern WA; I've just never had a reason to go there, I can't really afford the gas to do a lot of driving for fun, and I don't really trust the reliability of my 14-year-old minivan to do a lot of driving that I don't really need to do.
If you're into wine, the Tri-Cities area has a bunch of wineries (I can't vouch for quality), around August (or is it July?) they also have the boat races. Just a couple possible reasons.
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@abarker said:
Do you want a cookie now?
Cookies have a mix of simple carbohydrates, complex carbohydrates and fats for both quick and sustained energy during long bike rides. Yes, please. :)
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If you're into wine
I'm not. I lived, I guess, about 2 hours from Napa, and I was there twice in the 20+ years I lived in the area — once with my family for reasons I don't really remember, but basically just passing through, and once for a work-sponsored Wine Train celebration for completion of a project. I only went because free and because trains! The dinner was almost inedible, drowned in some purple-red sour-grape-juice sludge-sauce with some chicken in it; I don't think I could even taste the chicken. The only good thing about the trip was that I found, while waiting in the Wine Train gift shop before the ride, a little book on how to fire an oil-fired steam locomotive.
boat races
Meh. Probably fun, but it doesn't sound like something I'd consider worth driving that far for.
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You don't catch me doing that!
But if you're a car, don't FUCKING pass me and hook a turn right in front of me. (I hope to hell my bike scraped the shit out his paint. All I know is I was laying in the road, cracked my helmet, and they sped off. Several other cars stopped to make sure I was ok - I was - just PISSED - other than needing to buy a new helmet)
Needs a thermonuclear like. The number of drivers that do this - I just don't understand. They're missing part of their brain.
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It felt like forever. In reality the place you are allowed to overtake are much more limited then in ■■■■■■■. Here you generally are allowed except around crossroads, bents and stuff. In the Netherlands they have long stretches where you aren't allowed to overtake without apparent reason.
When some people (i.e. treehuggers of nimbys) think a road is getting too busy in the Netherlands, instead of making it broader they generally make it narrower, impose an arbitrary speed limit, put in speedbumps and ban overtaking, hoping that the traffic will just evaporate or something. Welcome to a new and unnecessary traffic jam.
