Common Core math question is Algebra!!!! *gasp*
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You might think so, but no.
I have been bamboozled!
Off to burn my scientology books, brb.
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@Onyx said:
Serious question: what do Americans call black Europeans?
Which Americans? Some of us call "African American" people black people.I think it was more a case of "What do [Americans who call black Americans 'African American'] call brown skinned non-americans?"
And the rhetorical answer, when dealing with the ignorant, tends to be "African American."
And we've had this discussion before. More than once1.
And the picture missing from that second link was one of:
- For when that link goes down:
Me:
Joe Edwards:
Before you know it there will be Africanized Americans.Too late. There are, weirdly, people on this planet that would call this person an "African American" - purely because she's 'black'; she's neither African nor American:
[pic from above]
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I think it was more a case of "What do [Americans who call black Americans 'African American'] call brown skinned non-americans?"
Yes.
And we've had this discussion before. More than once.
I still saw no definitive answer. So I tried again. I know, most likely a fool's errand but damn it, I want to know for when I go undercover to oppress them from with the PC movement!
That last bit was my inside voice, yes?
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I still saw no definitive answer.
I think this is the best you're going to get:
And the rhetorical answer, when dealing with the ignorant, tends to be "African American."
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Where are those leftovers of my faith in humanity? I think I need to feed them to the dog...
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I call them 'people'.
I suppose I can act stupid and hide, and that you can't really hide skin color the same way.
But, I was born this way.
Should I start a new -ism. Intelligencism?
Or is that just another one of my privileges that I can't hold.
Discrimination:
If people think it benefits you, it's just another 'privilege'.
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I still saw no definitive answer. So I tried again. I know, most likely a fool's errand but damn it, I want to know for when I go undercover to oppress them from with the PC movement!
Eh...we just don't talk about European minorities enough for it to matter. And having non-white Europeans seems like a pretty new thing. Our PC people are too busy hating on America to care enough about European people of non-pallor to have a special name for them.
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we just don't talk about European minorities enough for it to matter
If conversations about race followed their population percentages...
hating on America
People love to hate on something other than themselves, when fixing their own problems would be harder.
I think I remember....
"And thank you God that I'm not like that sinner" being the wrong response.
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You're going to have a bigger problem than the Crusades if the Ottoman Empire comes back.
And you're welcome..... for the troops we've put in Eastern Europe to block Russia from expanding.
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This is an African American:
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People love to hate on something other than themselves
I hate you all! Go away!
when fixing their own problems would be harder
Well how do you propose I solve my loneliness problem then?
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As I told him today, practicing my psychic powers.
Is it working?
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Besides, many of the African Americans aren't African at all.
If we assume that all black skinned people are from Africa, then they'd end up being.
African-Haitian-American, or something even longer.That makes me an
German/French-Canadian-American
with a bunch of other stuff in front of that, which I don't know about.
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Everyone's ancestors are African if you go back far enough.
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except Superman's
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Everyone's ancestors are African if you go back far enough.
Someone should remind UKIP and the BNP of that sometimeโฆ
That, and every British citizen can trace their lineage back to immigrantsโฆ
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Black person (right):
Itโs also interesting because Iโm actually black, but you assumed otherwise. And this is the sort of awkwardness that we can look forward to at Starbucks across America.
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Probably just confusing him with an actor who has a similar name:
http://humormillmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JB-Smoove.jpg
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I thought he was excellent in The Matrix.
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And Scanner Darkly. I refused to acknowledge it was him at first!
Conclusion: Keanu should always play a character that is utterly confused about the world around him and, if possible, his own identity.
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Black person (right):
> Itโs also interesting because Iโm actually black, but you assumed otherwise. And this is the sort of awkwardness that we can look forward to at Starbucks across America.
The starbucks method of determining which cups to write on.
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NATIVE AMERICANS AND INUIT DO NOT EXIST! <poocourse>
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I just go with:
So much easier.
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They're just hispanic.
They don't know yet.
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@xaade said:
Question:How do you get 10 from 8 + 5?
Answer:You take 2 from 5 and add it to 10.
What age are your kids? Is this the kind of shit I have to look forward to? Because I will tell my child that it is perfectly OK to go back to school and tell their teacher this is bullshit.
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My younger son is "failing" math in public school because of this. When shown how to do it the way we were all taught growing up, he gets it instantly of course - BUT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT THAT WAY IN SCHOOL, so he still flunks. My older son is home schooled (i.e., I hired a retired teacher with a specialty in special needs children to school him) due to his autistic nature, so he gets to bypass this B.S. If I could afford it, I'd home school the younger one too and save him this twisted piece of garbage "logic".
EDIT:
@JazzyJosh said:@xaade said:
So basically, the teacher is really asking.
Solve for x
8 + 5 = 10 + x
Which is what the question should say if that's the solution they want.
DING! DING! DING!
Someone give @JazzyJosh a
for nailing the exact issue!
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Quest
Kill the evil mage. (Learn to add two numbers)
Quest step.
Get the materials needed to make a sword that can kill the evil mage. (Get 10 from 8 + 5)
Hint: Materials are in evil mage's hands. (Learn subtraction, Learn addition).
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I also accept all Federal Reserve Notes greater than $2.
Also Holy Necro Batman!
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Hint: Materials are in evil mage's hands. (Learn subtraction, Learn addition).
Using Common Core logic:
Student adds a 2x4 to his inventory, whacks evil mage across the head; while evil mage dizzy, subtract requisite materials from evil mage to forge (multiply) sword to kill (divide) him with.
QUEST COMPLETE.
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Also Holy Necro Batman!
I can't keep up with all the topics. So, usually, I won't Necro unless I have something I feel should be added even if outdated by DissedCourse standards, yet still relevant to us today.
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Stupidity is always relevant, if not for anything else but...
Hey comere!
Look at this.... this is stupid.... don't do this....
four dots....
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Good Parts:
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.K.OA.A.4
For any number from 1 to 9, find the number that makes 10 when added to the given number, e.g., by using objects or drawings, and record the answer with a drawing or equation.CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.1.OA.A.1
Use addition and subtraction within 20 to solve word problems involving situations of adding to, taking from, putting together, taking apart, and comparing, with unknowns in all positions, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.Note about the following one: as long as they can user some strategies, students should not be penalized for not using all strategies. The breakdown with this specific argument that I'm making starts around Calc level where you will have extreme difficult solving some problems without using specific strategies (e.g. u-substitution, integration by parts, L'Hopital's rule). However, since basic addition is simple enough, this doesn't really matter.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.1.OA.C.6
Add and subtract within 20, demonstrating fluency for addition and subtraction within 10. Use strategies such as counting on; making ten (e.g., 8 + 6 = 8 + 2 + 4 = 10 + 4 = 14); decomposing a number leading to a ten (e.g., 13 - 4 = 13 - 3 - 1 = 10 - 1 = 9); using the relationship between addition and subtraction (e.g., knowing that 8 + 4 = 12, one knows 12 - 8 = 4); and creating equivalent but easier or known sums (e.g., adding 6 + 7 by creating the known equivalent 6 + 6 + 1 = 12 + 1 = 13).CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.1.OA.D.8
Determine the unknown whole number in an addition or subtraction equation relating three whole numbers. For example, determine the unknown number that makes the equation true in each of the equations 8 + ? = 11, 5 = _ - 3, 6 + 6 = _.
parts:CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.1.OA.B.4
Understand subtraction as an unknown-addend problem. For example, subtract 10 - 8 by finding the number that makes 10 when added to 8.These are standards for Kindegarten and 1st grade. Other than this last standard, most of the other standards make sense. One of my friends made the argument that most of the problem is due to the implementation of common core, not the actual standards.
This last one though is complete
Subtraction is not a unknown addend problem, and it is a strategy and should be implemented like my note for CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.1.OA.C.6 I suspect the reason this one is here is because of the first standard I listed. Common Core wants to lead from that to say it's not much of a different problem than finding 1 + x = 10.
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My younger son is "failing" math in public school because of this. When shown how to do it the way we were all taught growing up, he gets it instantly of course - BUT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT THAT WAY IN SCHOOL, so he still flunks. My older son is home schooled (i.e., I hired a retired teacher with a specialty in special needs children to school him) due to his autistic nature, so he gets to bypass this B.S. If I could afford it, I'd home school the younger one too and save him this twisted piece of garbage "logic".
Probably mentioned it in the earlier incarnation of this topic, but oh well.
Your anecdote is exactly why my wife is personally homeschooling our oldest two girls. The youngest is only 18 months, so she's no yet ready for much schooling, but she'll probably get the same when she is old enough.
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These are standards for Kindegarten and 1st grade. Other than this last standard, most of the other standards make sense. One of my friends made the argument that most of the problem is due to the implementation of common core, not the actual standards.
This last one though is complete Subtraction is not a unknown addend problem, and it is a strategy and should be implemented like my note for CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.1.OA.C.6 I suspect the reason this one is here is because of the first standard I listed. Common Core wants to lead from that to say it's not much of a different problem than finding 1 + x = 10.
Yeah, they are trying to teach algebra to 5-7 year old kids. Of course kids are struggling and parents think Common Core is stupid. Firstly, the kids have no foundation on which to build. You can't do algebra without knowing basic arithmetic. Second, people either get algebra, or they don't. The kids who will always have a hard time with algebra are going to fail kindergarten and 1st</st> grade math. Not a great way to start.
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people either get algebra, or they
don'tdidn't get it when first taught it and gave themselves a mental block because "it's too hard and I'm stupid"FTFY
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They are trying to teach algebra to 5-7 year old kids. Of course kids are struggling.
I did algebra at that level for fun at the age of four. Although only when I was sufficiently bored for something so un-challenging to appear fun.
Nobody told me it was algebra of course, they called it 'number puzzles' and it had pictures of things instead of letters, so I had to solve for banana or apple. When I got to high school and had my first very basic algebra lesson, I remember the massive letdown when I found out that this supposedly really hard thing that I'd been frightened and excited in equal measure about my initiation to was the same thing I didn't even think twice about doing.
If kids are struggling with 1 + x = 10 more than the same kids would with 1 + 9 = x, then it's being taught in a really crappy way. And I'm sure it is, because maths is taught in a really crappy way, with or without common core.
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maths is taught in a really crappy way, with or without common core
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I actually got halfway through training as a secondary school Maths teacher before realising that teaching really wasn't for me.
One of the biggest problems is the curriculum changing every couple of years without giving time for the kids to actually take any standardised tests that would provide some semblance of statistical evidence about whether the teaching methods work. It's all idealogical changes whenever the government/education minister/Zeitgeist changes.
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[url=https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf]This[/url] is all so absolutely bl**dy true.
If I have kids I'm going to homeschool them in maths at least through primary school, and send them to school with a note that I don't want them to take part in maths lessons for ideological reasons.
The biggest problems with the way they teach kids maths:
- Kids are taught from the word go to expect maths to be difficult and boring. So they don't even try to be interested in it. Names like algebra and calculus are bandied about with approximately the same inflection as 'bogeyman', except that these days the bogeyman is usually a joke rather than a sincere attempt to frighten anyone.
- the teachers, at least in primary school, don't necessarily know the subject beyond the particular thing they're teaching, so if a kid has an idea they don't know what to say.
(Example: at the age of seven we were learning about 2D vs 3D shapes. I put my hand up and said 'a 1D shape is a line', which I'd thought of entirely by myself just then. My teacher thought about it for a bit and then told me I was wrong. She drew a very thick line on the board and said 'look, it does have thickness'.) - Magic symbols. Kids are taught that + and - and x and รท and = are special 'maths things', rather than abbreviations for verbs. Especially =.
Right through primary school, they learn that = is the symbol you put between a sum and its answer. Then they're expected to start rearranging the sum-and-answer and is it any wonder some of them have trouble gasping the idea? Sure, it's pronounced the same as the verb equals, but (aside from the fact that primary school kids would say 'is the same as' rather than 'equals' in this context) these kids have also learned that know is pronounced the same as no, here and hear, and so forth. No-one ever tried to teach me that when you write = you're saying that the thing on the right is the same as the thing on the left.
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It's all idealogical changes whenever the government/education minister/Zeitgeist changes.
Gotta justify all those Education degrees somehow.
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For us they called it 'filling in exercises', if I remember correctly. Written like
1 + ___ = 10
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For us they called it 'filling in exercises'
I don't remember doing it in school, really. I had a book of FunTM puzzles that went like
4 +
= 6
+ 5 = 11
and the hardTM ones like
+ = __ s
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That page has a FunnyTM one that went, as I recall,
+ + + + + + = :a_heap_of_boys:!I imagine that would enrage them even further.
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I imagine that would enrage them even further.
Yes, that's only 7 boys, so you'd have to forfeit the baseball game.
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Now that just reminded me of the South Park episode Goobacks; I shall refrain from posting a screencap of it ;)
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Kids are taught from the word go to expect maths to be difficult and boring.
Most of the way it is taught is boring. I only really started to find maths fun once I was allowed to go at my own speed and skip all that shit with
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balancing: I'd much rather deal with an honest x, y and z.Of course, I'd been programming for a few years at that pointโฆ
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Most of the way it is taught is boring. I only really started to find maths fun once I was allowed to go at my own speed and skip all that shit with
and and Yes I'm not saying that was a better way to teach it, just that algebra isn't too hard for little kids unless you tell them it will be too hard and never let them try.
