Congratulations on your glorious four hours of downtime
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Do you think Ford hires automobile designers who still use slide rules and clay models?
Yes, they do. We have talked about this, when it comes to talking about cars you know fuckall, so keep your discussions to programming and gaming, or else you look like a fucking dipshit.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/03/2015-ford-mustang-clay-models-reveal-fastback-design.html
and it's pissing me off.
Deal with it.
You know, when comparing A and B, you need to pick some things to mention that A and B don't have in common with each other.
Ruby on Rails doesn't have you, and that seems like a pretty fucking good reason to use it for me.
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These guys use vim and emacs and stuff.. which is insane to me..
There is a method to the madness. Guys who do this use vim and emacs for everything, have spent a lot of time learning their editor, and are generally very efficient with it. Both editors also have some autocomplete capabilities depending on the language.
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What about the taking-the-job decision? Would you stake a job s for an open source project? If yes, would it still be a yes if you were currently employed?
I can't parse this.
@Intercourse said:
Ruby on Rails doesn't have you, and that seems like a pretty fucking good reason to use it for me.
There you go, you're learning.
But seriously, stop fucking confusing development methodology with language. Why are you a programmer? You're an idiot. Maybe you should stick to cars.
Hey Atwood, you looking for more help? I think we got a guy here right up your alley. He had to be reminded Mono exists, and he can't tell the difference between "open source" and "Ruby on Rails".
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There is a method to the madness. Guys who do this use vim and emacs for everything, have spent a lot of time learning their editor, and are generally very efficient with it.
When has "being able to enter text quickly" ever been a consideration in software development? If that's what you're optimizing for, you're optimizing for the wrong thing.
Imagine two guys:
a) spends 4 months learning emacs and 3 days learning Ruby
b) spends 4 months learning Ruby and 3 days learning the Visual Studio editor
Who do you want to hire for your Ruby job? I can tell you which one I'd pick.
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I can't parse this.
I'm blaming my dodgy wireless keyboard that loves to add random keystrokes. Edited the question to make it more clear/less fucked
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He had to be reminded Mono exists
Yes, because briefly having a lapse in memory is the same as incompetence. Perhaps I should do what you do and when proven wrong I could just fucking ignore it and carry on like nothing happened.
and he can't tell the difference between "open source" and "Ruby on Rails".
When the fuck did I say that? Which one of your little shoulder aliens led you to believe this? They are getting bad, you should probably have them checked out because they are apparently hearing voices.
Hey Atwood, you looking for more help?
Well, considering that I am currently employed and earning a living... <not to mention that I am the only stakeholder in the business> Maybe you should learn some RoR? Then you could fill the position?
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What about the taking-the-job decision?
What about it?
Would you take a job working on an open source project?
Sure, why not?
I wouldn't enjoy it if they followed some of the dumber open source "rules", like "release early, release often". But if they're paying me to write the code, it's their code, and they can do what they like with it. I'd just be careful to not attach my name to the buggy "early" releases.
Would the answer be any different if you were in a well paying job vs being unemployed? (i.e. would you take the job when desperate but not otherwise?)
No, why would it?
Now that I can parse your post, I don't really understand what you're getting at.
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I was just curious, given your well publicised dislike of open source software, whether you would work on an OSS project. Thanks for the straightforward answer
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OSS software isn't shit because of the license, it's shit because open source projects by-and-large are run by idiots who don't know how to write software and have ass-backwards priorities and love 1970s technologies like IRC.
For some reason, browsers are an exception to the rule.
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Imagine two guys:
a) spends 4 months learning emacs and 3 days learning Ruby
b) spends 4 months learning Ruby and 3 days learning the Visual Studio editor
Who do you want to hire for your Ruby job? I can tell you which one I'd pick.
The thing is, a) doesn't happen. People who are willing to invest the time to learn an editor are also willing to invest time into learning languages in depth. So I give you a third candidate:
c) has used vim for 10 years and knows Ruby well enough to write interfaces for C libraries.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that c) has also spent 5 years using Visual Studio for his day job.
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Fair enough, but it's also disingenuous to say that there's no opportunity-cost at all to spending time learning Vim or Emacs.
And in any case, I've yet to see any evidence that the guy who spends 3 months (or whatever) learning Emacs is faster at getting text from brain-to-screen than the guy who spends 3 days learning VS' editor.
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Fair enough, but it's also disingenuous to say that there's no opportunity-cost at all to spending time learning Vim or Emacs.
True, so your shoulder alien probably shouldn't have said that. Really, no one here is recommending you learn vim or emacs (except those of us who expect an entertaining blakeyrant out of it).
And in any case, I've yet to see any evidence that the guy who spends 3 months (or whatever) learning Emacs is faster at getting text from brain-to-screen than the guy who spends 3 days learning VS' editor.
You probably wouldn't for new code being added, and emacs as an editor isn't in itself any more efficient than other editors. The strength of emacs is that it can be programmed to do just about anything so you never have to leave the environment. Editing existing code is another story, and an experienced vim user can work really quickly (I'll look on youtube for examples when I get home).
In any case, remember that the original context is @codinghorror's assertion that using vim or emacs for editing code is insane. So saying that there's no evidence that emacs or vim is better is shifting the goalposts.
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In any case, remember that the original context is @codinghorror's assertion that using vim or emacs for editing code is insane. So saying that there's no evidence that emacs or vim is better is shifting the goalposts.
Fair enough.
The real issue here is, why is he hiring insane people?
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The real issue here is, why is he hiring insane people?
Think about it for a bit. There are at least two obvious answers.
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The strength of emacs is that it can be programmed to do just about anything so you never have to leave the environment. Editing existing code is another story, and an experienced vim user can work really quickly (I'll look on youtube for examples when I get home).
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i think you a context there...
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Isn't that a Gen1 Pokemon?
More likely a book by K.A. Applegate.
EDIT: ...In fact, now that I think about it, it's only one letter off a choose-your-own-adventure sub-series by the above mentioned. It's been at least a decade...
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Do you think Ford hires automobile designers who still use slide rules and clay models?
Actually, car makers (maybe only some of them) still do use clay models. (I'm not bringing this up as a gotcha (mostly), just questioning one example. I'm sure you're right about slide rules.)
Edit: I see others brought up clay models already.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-thing-isnt-new-in-car-design-clay-prototypes-1401473645
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I'm sure you're right about slide rules.
I would not be so certain. I know of several engineers who still use them to this day, and a few that aren't even closing on retirement age. ;)
Finding evidence of this, specific to Ford, would be a lost cause though.
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Your post about how Discourse is broken is broken.
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It's broken all the way down.
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I even had the WSoD issue loading this topic the first couple of times.
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There is also the VS2013 community edition which is just one of the Professional versions rebadged.
Thanks for the tip on that, I'm replacing my "Express" versions right now.
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Discourse is mostly unusable on Android now. I just get white screens and loading spinners, I have yet to see a site that is so hostile towards Android and mobile to the point of making a site unusable.
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I'll have to test it out. This is a known thing, as I know you know. Chrome Android V8 bugs.
Good news, there is movement on those bugs and the Ember.js guys are looking more closely at ways to reduce unnecessary generality to help Android perf.
It's tolerable on a 2013 or 2014 device, but yeah, woe betide the user on old Android hardware using Discourse. It's very slow.
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I'll have to test it out. This is a known thing, as I know you know. Chrome Android V8 bugs.
Discourse was usable up until 3 or so days ago. Some lag here and there, but usable. Now it is either a blank white screen or an infinitely spinning loading icon. This is not really a V8 or Ember.JS issue, this just happened and my Chrome did not update around that time.
It's tolerable on a 2013 or 2014 device, but yeah, woe betide the user on old Android hardware using Discourse. It's very slow.
This is on a Galaxy S5, so definitely on the end of the spectrum where you deem performance to be "tolerable", and it was tolerable last week. Now it is rubbish.
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Hmm, I will have a look on my Nexus 5 and 7. And 9. (until I give the 5 and 9 to grandma as her new smartphone / computer respectively.)
I really do like Android 5. It's better than iOS in a lot of ways.
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I noticed that too on my WP8.1 as well. It's much much worse now.
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I will have a look
Thank you. It does not happen every single time, but I would guess around 3-5 times out of 10 when I go to load a topic it just sits there, forcing me to close the tab and reopen.
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Thanks for the tip on that, I'm replacing my "Express" versions right now.
It would be nice if they would clearly and easily show how Community differs from Professional, but the quick glance at a comparison chart I saw when I got the Community edition didn't show anything meaningful.
There's lots of stuff Express doesn't have, like ATL/MFC and a pile of other project types, so it looks pretty close to "rebadged Professional."
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Sane people are boring.
But are less likely to (for example) shiv you, or (possibly) write bizarro code.
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The math is bad on that. 4 hours of downtime during Nov is not 99.45% uptime. Nov has 30 days, which is 720 hours. With 4 hours of downtime, that's 716 hours of uptime. 716 / 720 = 0.99444444 or 99.44%. Looks like pingdom needs some math help.
November has daylight savings fall back, so there is 721 hours.
717/721 = 0.99445, which does indeed round to 99.45%I'm sure someone else pointed this out in the 105 posts between yours and mine, but fuck them.
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Before:
<img src="/uploads/default/10857/d9983f7228a5bb06.png" width="525" height="500">
After
<img src="/uploads/default/10858/2328148702505af3.png" width="512" height="438">
So... upgrading Ember made the inspector font bigger?
Sweet!
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What I like is how the after screenie doesn't have the p tag expanded, so we can't see that the derpamorphs are gone.
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There were derpamorphs between the divs too previously, so you can see that at least those went away.
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There were derpamorphs between the divs too previously
Oh, so there were. When he originally posted the images, I was among those who didn't know what those were, and I guess after I found out I didn't bother re-examining it too closely.
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Greedy bastard, I watch your ads show me the article.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/one-thing-isnt-new-in-car-design-clay-prototypes-1401473645
thats better
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Let me know what you think. This experience is painful now. For some reason it is better if I request the desktop site, but then the reply toaster is completely useless.
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Gave up completely on my S3 now
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November has daylight savings fall back, so there is 721 hours.717/721 = 0.99445, which does indeed round to 99.45%
Not here in Arizona! And not in Hawaii either!
I'm sure someone else pointed this out in the 105 posts between yours and mine, but fuck them.
If they did, it wasn't in a reply to me.
In any case, you're probably right. This does, however, reveal another WTF: pingdom is apparently using localized time instead of UTC (which doesn't observe DST). I would expect a company like pingdom to base their services on UTC.
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The best part is that you can't do it by state, otherwise you'll have the Navajo Nation on the warpath against your WTFy software as they do follow DST on the Navajo reservation, unlike the rest of the state of Arizona!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aWtseb2-4
daylight savings time is complicated!
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The best part is that you can't do it by state, otherwise you'll have the Navajo Nation on the warpath against your WTFy software as they do follow DST on the Navajo reservation, unlike the rest of the state of Arizona!
Except for that little bit inside the Navajo Nation that's actually the Hopi Reservation, which doesn't follow DST. And again, except for that little bit inside the Hopi Reservation which is also part of the Navajo Nation, and so it does follow DST.
It's kind of like Russian nesting dolls.
Anyway, I stick to my statement that they should just provide their services based purely on UTC, and just ignore DST all together.
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Except for that little bit inside the Navajo Nation that's actually the Hopi Reservation, which doesn't follow DST. And again, except for that little bit inside the Hopi Reservation which is also part of the Navajo Nation, and so it does follow DST.
you did watch that video!
that's almost word for word what CGP Grey said!
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you did watch that video!
Nope. I just know that the Navajo Nation is the only place in Arizona that follows DST and the borders between the Hopi Reservation and the Navajo Nation are really messed up. Like I said:
It's kind of like Russian nesting dolls.
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November has daylight savings fall back, so there is 721 hours.
In which country/state in country?... Ours was in October...
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In which country/state in country?... Ours was in October...
A couple / few of years ago, the US Congress moved the dates (in Spring and Fall) to make DST longer.
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In which country/state in country?
You mean like the UK inside of the US inside of Canada inside of Russia? I didn't know we had one of them!
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You mean like the UK inside of the US inside of Canada inside of Russia? I didn't know we had one of them!
The former in the case of most countries, the latter for the likes of the US where parts of it (discussed above) don't even bother with DST.