Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!
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News on the macOS front, 3 months later. The "Try the new Teams" toggle finally appeared. So I tried it and here's the changes I've notices so far.
- The new version still has the big, stupid NEW banner. Will they keep it until the point this one is being deprecated, then wonder what to do? Place your bets.
- They finally got rid of the the "we paid PANTONE to dictate the colour of the year"
purpleVery Peri. The window now looks mostly like the rest of the system. - Instead of 500 MB, the new shit, same as the old shit, is now 1 GB
- While they renamed the original to "Microsoft Teams classic", the new one is now called "Microsoft Teams (work or school)". Yes, really.
I wonder what would happenbreak if I manually renamed that shit to just "Microsoft Teams" - It asks for permissions again, because it can't use the permissions of the original app it's supposed to replace. Besides the expected ones there are "use your location" (fuck off, no) and "access your bluetooth devices" (also fuck no)
Why does it think it need to access bluetooth? If the answer is "to use your bluetooth headset, duh": just ask for microphone access. It's the job of the OS to handle the differences between internal mic, external mic connected with a cable, or bluetooth. "Custom audio integration" is
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I think it needs to be enabled by your company/school/whatever.
Well, looks like my work or school finally did.
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@topspin screen sharing was broken in New™ Teams on Mac until recently. At least you got it after they fixed that.
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@topspin said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
- Instead of 500 MB, the new shit, same as the old shit, is now 1 GB
So.. is it still slow as hell, or did it get worse?
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@topspin well, Very Peri isn’t the colour of the year any more… but there is a suspicious absence of peach tones.
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@MrL said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@topspin said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
- Instead of 500 MB, the new shit, same as the old shit, is now 1 GB
So.. is it still slow as hell, or did it get worse?
Yes!
(I don’t know yet. I assume nothings changed, but haven’t actually used it much yet.)
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@Arantor said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@topspin well, Very Peri isn’t the colour of the year any more… but there is a suspicious absence of peach tones.
That’s… because Microsoft dictated the PANTONE color for marketing, not used whatever PANTONE picked.
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@MrL oh dear, it's definitely slower. I just double clicked the title bar and I could slowly watch it maximize like it's the 1990s.
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@Bulb said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@loopback0 said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@The_Quiet_One said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
Now the fucking taskbar icon has this green "NEW" badge on it. No, this doesn't mean "NEW" messages or alerts. It is literally reminding me that the MS Teams I got is new.
It does make it easier for support teams though when asking a user if they're on new Teams or old Teams. In theory at least.
I'd think the change from purple title- and side-bar to system-default-color title- and side-bar is conspicuous-enough change for the purpose though.
Weird, mine has been all black for a while now, I guess light-mode users can get fucked.
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@topspin said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
Where's the fucking button?
You would think I would have pressed it before telling anyone, but I'm searching for it too.
For me, Corpo IT frobbled a thing and it "just enabled itself" with a notice and a "fuck you I'm restarting now" dialog.
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@topspin said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
I wonder what would
happenbreak if I manually renamed that shit to just "Microsoft Teams"Get the
ready, I renamed it. Of course, that still doesn't fix the menu bar or dock entries, but at least it makes the Launchpad entry readable.
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@topspin said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
Instead of 500 MB, the new shit, same as the old shit, is now 1 GB
Maybe they added ARM binaries to the x86? (CRS for what gluing those 2 together is called)
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@dcon "Universal" (in Marketing) or "fat" (in the Technical Reference).
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@TwelveBaud said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@dcon "Universal" (in Marketing) or "fat" (in the Technical Reference).
Yup, 'fat' was what I was trying to remember!
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@topspin If they ever create a desktop app from Microsoft Forms, will it appear as
Microsoft F...k or school)
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Filed under:
For Workgroups.
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@TwelveBaud "fat binary" is also a more general term for a single file containing multiple distinct binaries(1), and in fact all x86/x86-64 Windows .EXEs are fat binaries because every single one of them contains what's normally(3) a tiny MS-DOS executable that just prints a message saying that the program requires Windows and then quits.
(1) See e.g. almost any binary for an IBM AS/400 (iSystem these days), the aforementioned Windows executables, various generations of mixed-architecture transitionary(2) binaries for MacOS, and so on.
(2) Around the various times that Apple changed the CPU architecture of Macs.
(3) There were exceptions, notably SETUP.EXE for Windows versions before NT and 95, where it was the core setup/re-setup program you could run from DOS, and also the in-Windows (as a proper Windows application) configuration program for "live" changes.
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@topspin said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@MrL oh dear, it's definitely slower. I just double clicked the title bar and I could slowly watch it maximize like it's the 1990s.
Hey! How dare you interprete it so wrong!
It is a very elegant smooth animation!!1!
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@Steve_The_Cynic While
, Windows binaries generally aren't considered fat due to the MS-DOS executable's insignificance (and likely also it being completely divorced from what the Windows executable does -- typical fat binaries are generally two versions of a program meant to accomplish a similar purpose)
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@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@Steve_The_Cynic While
, Windows binaries generally aren't considered fat due to the MS-DOS executable's insignificance (and likely also it being completely divorced from what the Windows executable does -- typical fat binaries are generally two versions of a program meant to accomplish a similar purpose)
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@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
Windows binaries generally aren't considered fat due to not considering the heads of the MS
-DOS executable's insignificancedevelopers responsibleFTF
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Teams just forcibly switched me to New Teams.
More accurately, it offered me the choice between "switch now" and "switch on exit", with no way to close the popup.
Then the toggle was still visible in New Teams, so I reverted back to working Teams immediately.
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@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
reverted back to working Teams immediately
For very low expectations of "working".
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I kind of get the hatred for “NEW” Outlook, since that moved most of the cheese.
But “NEW” Teams is actually the same as old Teams UI wise and actually does run faster. How tf do y’all have problems with it? Or is this just FF22-worship writ large?
Edit: Having scrolled back, I think @topspin’s differences in lived experience stem from being a fruit user
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More experience: In a video conference with multiple people having their cam turned on, you see a grid of videos. So far nothing new. Now, when I move that New Teams window from one monitor to another, the "grid" part is still there but instead of the videos of several users, each tile of the grid shows different slices of one user. And that's happened reproducibly now, in several different meetings and after restarting in between.
I am not even sure how you could possibly implement this to arrive at this bug.
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@topspin bless the little upstart from Redmond, they’re trying.
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@HardwareGeek said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@Arantor said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
they’re trying.
They're very trying.
Exactly why it was phrased like that.
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so... here's a fun one.
i use a three monitor setup. vertical communication monitor on the left, two horizontal productivity monitors to its right.
so the monitor that has pixel 0,0 is 1080x1920 and the other two monitors are both 2560x1440.
New teams is currently actively refusing to stream any resolution of monitor or window other than 1080x1920. doesnt' matter which monitor or window i pick to share..... it streams a 1080x1920 video with whatever monitor or window i selected pinned to the center and any overhangs cropped off....
i have no idea why it does this. but if i move my monitor layout so one of my 1440p monitors contains pixel 0,0 the problem goes away.
Old teams didn't have the issue, but work has disabled that app somehow so i can't authenticate to it so new teams it is..... yay?
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@izzion said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
How tf do y’all have problems with it?
I use Teams in full screen. The switch from small white chat bubbles on a pleasant gray background, to gray bubbles on a fully white screen is an eyesore.
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@marczellm said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@izzion said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
How tf do y’all have problems with it?
I use Teams in full screen. The switch from small white chat bubbles on a pleasant gray background, to gray bubbles on a fully white screen is an eyesore.
This seems appropriate punishment for anyone not using dark mode
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@loopback0 said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@marczellm said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@izzion said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
How tf do y’all have problems with it?
I use Teams in full screen. The switch from small white chat bubbles on a pleasant gray background, to gray bubbles on a fully white screen is an eyesore.
This seems appropriate punishment for anyone not using dark mode
I suppose using dark mode will continue to be punishment enough for dark mode users.
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@accalia said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
vertical communication monitor on the left, two horizontal productivity monitors to its right.
Communication is not productive.
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(Old) Teams has decided I'm offline, and there doesn't seem to be any way to make it change its mind. I can send and receive messages, but it tells everyone I'm not working.
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@HardwareGeek said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
I can send and receive messages, but it tells everyone I'm not working.
It knows about your WTDWTF habit.
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@HardwareGeek said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
(Old) Teams has decided I'm offline, and there doesn't seem to be any way to make it change its mind. I can send and receive messages, but it tells everyone I'm not working.
There are three great lies in online communications:
- "Instant" messaging
- Presence
- Privacy
- Off by one errors
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I have been sent an image through Teams (here, it's the "old" Teams).
- I right-click the image, and select "Copy Image".
- Then I open Paint, and... Paste is grayed out.
- Uh? DId it copy the image as a file instead? I open Explorer, and... Paste is still grayed out.
- Then I open a clipboard viewer program, and it turns out... the contents is text.
<img src="data:image/png;base64,(anonymized;base 64 goes here)" alt="image" iscopyblocked="false">
Teams copies images as HTML with a data URL (which Paint can do nothing with), and not as actual images.
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@Medinoc Doesn't make it not a WTF, but Teams wants you to download the images rather than copy them into another program. The copy as you described is only good for pasting into another Teams conversation.
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@jinpa I’m pretty certain this isn’t something MS thought too hard about and more reliant on Electron just doing the work here.
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@jinpa Yet the right-click menu has no "Save Image..." you need to maximize the image and click the download icon.
...And then rage as the file is immediately put in your Downloads folder because letting the user choose where they want a file is so 2003 I guess!
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@Arantor From Electron's intro:
carve your own path with bespoke HTML code.
Next time someone asks me what I do for a living, I'll say, "I carve my own path with bespoke code."
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@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
And then rage as the file is immediately put in your Downloads folder because letting the user choose where they want a file is so 2003 I guess!
I already did that
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@HardwareGeek said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
(Old) Teams has decided I'm offline, and there doesn't seem to be any way to make it change its mind. I can send and receive messages, but it tells everyone I'm not working.
I use that intentionally.
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@HardwareGeek said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
I use that intentionally.
Yes, but I'm not.
Maybe you should!
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@Medinoc Okay, I'm gonna give this one to Microsoft: I tested "Copy Image" in the NEW Teams, and this time it works as expected. So at least they fixed that.
What they broke was the Spellchecker, or at least its support for languages other than the UI's (I have English UI but communicate in French, and can't get NEW Teams to accept French as a real language).
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@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
I tested "Copy Image" in the NEW Teams, and this time it works as expected. So at least they fixed that.
Something about broken clocks and being right twice a day.
@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
can't get NEW Teams to accept French as a real language
Cue the usual jokes.
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@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
@Medinoc Okay, I'm gonna give this one to Microsoft: I tested "Copy Image" in the NEW Teams, and this time it works as expected. So at least they fixed that.
What they broke was the Spellchecker, or at least its support for languages other than the UI's (I have English UI but communicate in French, and can't get NEW Teams to accept French as a real language).
This is the same company who thought it was a good idea when localising Win11 for the
market thought that s/zip/postcodeeverywhere was good enough.It wasn’t enough to have “Compress to
zippostcode file” in the context menu, they also misspelled the “Add to Favourites” menu item without the u.Like, you managed to over and under localise the same menu, good jorb!
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@Arantor said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
This is the same company who thought it was a good idea when localising Win11 for the
market thought that s/zip/postcodeeverywhere was good enough.As long as nobody tells me my postcode is down, I'll survive...
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@Medinoc said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
What they broke was the Spellchecker
I've had the same experience with Outlook: I write some emails in French and some in English. Until recently, after typing some amount of text, eventually the spellchecker would automatically switch language. But lately it just insists on staying in English (and auto-"correct" away all my carefully placed accents
) no matter what, and I haven't found any way to manually tell it "this message is in French you dumbass!"
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@dkf said in Wow! "NEW" Microsoft Teams!:
my postcode is down
You may be suffering from Delivery Distortion Syndrome. Consult your physician.
