WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But anyways, anyone want to see this little wacky program I made, called Active Desktop?
Wait. You're the one responsible for unleashing that abomination?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
rundll32.exe sysdm.cpl,EditEnvironmentVariables
Oh yeah .... I never thought of doing that.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But anyways, anyone want to see this little wacky program I made, called Active Desktop?
Wait. You're the one responsible for unleashing that abomination?
Not the original iteration, but I did make my own, sadly without blackjack and hookers.
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows is too easy:
Will upload if found.
Aha! Found it! (Well, the compiled debug version, NFC where the source went).
ActiveDesktop.exe (21.5 KB)
Usage: Right click the notification icon to add an item or exit. Each item can be resized (or closed) by clicking the dot-hamburger on the top-right corner of the item.
Due to the way it was implemented, each item is displayed in an IE container, probably in Compatibility Mode.Have... fun?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Not the original iteration, but I did make my own
We don't kink-shame, but there are limits, you know.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I did make my own, sadly without blackjack and hookers.
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It's hard to gamble and afford such services on a zero salary.
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... like installers from the 90ās?
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
... like installers from the 90ās?
And many other installers since. Except on mobile devices because That's Different.
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@DogsB hasn't this been a thing for ages?
edit: oh, no, it's been a thing in the Xbox app for ages
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@DogsB hasn't this been a thing for ages?
It mentions you can do that with xbox stuff at the end of the article. I suppose it would be interesting to know if Epic has mastered that kind of voodoo yet.
*edit I still have no idea how theyāve lost a billion on that store and still donāt have feature parity with Origin in 09. Like, what in fucks name have their devs been doing for two years. How did they launch without a shopping basket. How are they still clunkier than Origin in 08? I gave up on claiming their free games because it would log me out constantly.
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
How are they still clunkier than Origin in 08?
They're a little company and they're doing their best.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They're a little company and they're doing their best.
Let's be honest: their best sucks
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They're a little company and they're doing their best.
Let's be honest: their best sucks
ļ ŗ : If you don't love me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best.
#stockholmWasntAGuide
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They're a little company and they're doing their best.
Let's be honest: their best sucks
ļ ŗ : If you don't love me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best.
#stockholmWasntAGuide
If their best is āyour files may or may not be where you left themā, then I donāt want to see them at their worst.
Wait, that was probably ME or Sasser.
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@DogsB hasn't this been a thing for ages?
It mentions you can do that with xbox stuff at the end of the article. I suppose it would be interesting to know if Epic has mastered that kind of voodoo yet.
When you install a game the Epic Store asks where to put it, not entirely unlike a classic installer.
. How did they launch without a shopping basket.
MVP? They tacked games on to their Unreal Engine asset manager, after all.
How are they still clunkier than Origin in 08?
Seems unlikely; Origin was released in 2011.
I gave up on claiming their free games because it would log me out constantly.
E_NOREPRO
, but like any other stream of free stuff you would probably only like a couple things a year that you don't already own on other platforms.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But yeah, the bottom line is that icons move randomly around and it's easier to stop trying to worry about them and just hunt the one you want whenever you need it.
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I always sadly chuckle at people who desperately cling to their features as if there's some way of maintaining their longevity.
I predict desktop icons will no longer be supported in three years or less.
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@Tsaukpaetra Isn't the desktop the place to store ALL your documents? Preferably all over it. And stick the important ones in the convenient three-arrowed container.
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@Atazhaia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Isn't the desktop the place to store ALL your documents? Preferably all over it. And stick the important ones in the convenient three-arrowed container.
Why do you think Microsoft will get rid of it?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Why do you think Microsoft will get rid of it?
Well, they already tried it once. You think they gonna try a second time?
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I got the new File Explorer UI! Not only does it come with a toolbar instead of a ribbon or mini-ribbon, but it's still got the bug that makes the menu bar appear on windows that have been left open for a while. We've come full circle!
Maybe Windows 12 will bring back File Manager as the default?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I predict desktop icons will no longer be supported in three years or less.
I haven't had any icons on my desktop since sometime in the Windows 7 era.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I predict desktop icons will no longer be supported in three years or less.
I haven't had any icons on my desktop since sometime in the Windows 7 era.
Your choice will be removed regardless, but your bravery is noted.
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God help me but I might start rooting for Linux.
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
HP Smart app
Could it be that it was HP who added it to their drivers ?
A Microsoft spokesperson said that the company is aware of complaints and it is looking into the situation.
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@DogsB Iām getting tempted.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@DogsB Iām getting tempted.
I went down this rabbit hole with a surface. Worked out fairly well but I donāt game or use any other microsoft products. Use it mostly for hobby dev, media consumption and life admin.
I need cutting edge kernels though and theyāre a bit dicey but I have to concede Debian is probably fine for most basic use cases. If you need any kind of media creation products I would steer people to a mac though.
I still have to use a cut down version of windows for gaming. Might make gaming on linux my christmas project but the last time I tried it ended in tears.
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@DogsB I actually think a more significant need for my gaming habits is a collection of suitably good emulators - pretty sure DosBOX exists on Linux but I think WinUAE strode ahead of its Unixish counterpart some time ago, and that could be a real problem.
Curious how good WINE is these days. I donāt just do the odd gaming, I do occasionally need Photoshop (because GIMP sucks that much) and other oddments.
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@DogsB "reportedly"? Fuck, this has been happening for years because the HP printer driver says that's the companion app required to complete installation! And guess what driver gets installed if you happen to have a new-ish printer that's UPnP broadcasting itself? š«
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Well fuck me. On one machine, I saw the Store had an update for Solitaire. Ok, I'll do it on this machine...
Oh look, it has an update for WinTerminal too. FUCK NOOOOOO!!!!!
Bastard killed the active build that was running in the open instance of Terminal.
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
without user consent.
Microsoft is supposed to ask for user consent to mess with their machine?
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@DogsB I actually think a more significant need for my gaming habits is a collection of suitably good emulators - pretty sure DosBOX exists on Linux but I think WinUAE strode ahead of its Unixish counterpart some time ago, and that could be a real problem.
Curious how good WINE is these days. I donāt just do the odd gaming, I do occasionally need Photoshop (because GIMP sucks that much) and other oddments.
Emulation is quite good but I donāt really know anything pre sega mega drive so I canāt really comment on amiga. Dosbox was fine with minimal tweaking for my run through of AITD.
Wine is still interesting but very hit or miss. If it doesnāt run out of the box its probably not worth the effort. The community around it is very haughty and more hostile than we are to newbies. Photoshop is a popular app so its more likely to work.
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@DogsB the Wine DB claims Photoshop is āsilverā tier compatibility, but since the scale starts at āgarbageā I have no idea what that means.
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@Arantor 20 years ago, Disney paid developers to make Photoshop work on Wine
Not sure about later versions
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor 20 years ago, Disney paid developers to make Photoshop work on Wine
Not sure about later versions
Yes, the database indicates better compatibility for some older versions.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Or stop using desktop icons altogether.
I haven't had any icons on my desktop since some time in the Windows 7 days.
And over the years you discover all the asshole programs who create icons on your desktop without asking first.
20 years ago or so I set up my perfect desktop UI. It had a 3 terminal at the bottom from where I could start programs, kind of like a start menu bar, and at the top were a list of running programs that was something like 20 pixels tall. I vilka do all the usual alt-tab and stuff to switch between probably, time Windows and all that stuff, but there was literally no OS Ui clutter.
Sadly, i no longer have the energy to set that up. And i think most of the bits i used to set it up is long dead now.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
make Photoshop work on Wine
Go home Photoshop; you're drunk.
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And i think most of the bits i used to set it up is long dead now.
It's open source, just port it over to Wayland or whatever is the hot shit nowadays!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And i think most of the bits i used to set it up is long dead now.
It's open source, just port it over to Wayland or whatever is the hot shit nowadays!
I can't even find the old source code for some of the bits I used, and the projects that still exist are completely different. And even if I could find all the bits, I'd probably have to rewrite them from scratch anyway.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It's open source, just port it over to Wayland or whatever is the hot shit nowadays!
Close. Wayland isn't hot.
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@dkf exactly, the choices are Wayland (because we're stuck with it) or whatever the hot shit is (because Wayland ain't).
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It's open source, just port it over to Wayland or whatever is the hot shit nowadays!
Close. Wayland isn't hot.
I'm sticking to X.org. Zoom doesn't like wayland and my maximize vertically hotkey doesn't work.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor 20 years ago, Disney paid developers to make Photoshop work on Wine
Not sure about later versions
I'm sure that Adobe has done their best to make sure that newer versions of Photoshop don't run on Linux.
I wouldn't expect anything less from them.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It's open source, just port it over to Wayland or whatever is the hot shit nowadays!
Close. Wayland isn't hot.
I'm sticking to X.org. Zoom doesn't like wayland and my maximize vertically hotkey doesn't work.
Donāt worry, RHEL is boldly leading innovation to reduce user choice again.
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@izzion I've heard it said that x.org is an unmaintainable mess, particularly if you care about security.
And since RHEL is a server distro, GUI isn't that important to them. I fully expect OpenELA to follow.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dkf exactly, the choices are Wayland (because we're stuck with it) or whatever the hot shit is (because Wayland ain't).
Think of it like Wireguard. Shiny, new and good at one particular task but when its forced to account for the thirty odd years of edge cases that OpenVpn has too it's going to be slower and clunkier.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@izzion I've heard it said that x.org is an unmaintainable mess, particularly if you care about security.
I wonder how much of that is true and how much of it is just developers complaining they canāt rewrite it in their image.
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@DogsB I also wonder if there is no small amount of 'what X actually does is fucking complicated and what these devs use it for is a fraction of its real power'
The days of having a graphics server in the hardware sense and desktops being kinda thin clients to it is old now, but that was what X was designed for - and I suspect Wayland and friends ignore all that. Even if it has some advantages (e.g. letting you access your machine from another without futzing around with VNC)
Though I'd have to admit such advantages are less and less relevant now, but they're not irrelevant.
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@Arantor I've heard it said the problem with X is that all individual draw operations are sent to the server (the device which does the rendering, your desktop), possibly as blocking calls, and that ends up a performance bottleneck. You could still do remoting of individual windows in wayland by sending a video stream instead. Not sure if anyone actually implemented that though.
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@PleegWat afaict, all the frameworks building on top of it are actually rendering stuff themselves and just blitting bitmaps to X anyway. Except for some stuff directly interacting with X and looking like itās from the 80s, nothing draws UI elements by sending lines, rectangles, etc. over the X protocol.