Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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An interesting approach for testing the AI of autonomous cars:
As it circles the track, the car must contend with virtual drivers that have been specifically trained by the AI to display adversarial behaviours.
Now I understand why Teslas crash so often: they use the "adversarial" mode in production...
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: Did you return the cart?
: Yup. I put it with the others, next to that car over there.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Now I understand why Teslas crash so often: they use the "adversarial" mode in production...
Being serious for one minute, I wonder if having AI automatically compute a "recklessness" score for other vehicles could be used to improve safety. E.g. if a vehicle swerves without signaling, runs a red light, etc., assume the driver is an idiot and stay away from his vehicle.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Being serious
If you insist. It probably could, but with a fair number of false positives. Sometimes the other driver acts like an idiot, because yet another driver is an idiot. Because AI may not be able to observe it at the time, it will arrive at incorrect conclusions. Naturally, this happens to non-AI drivers, too. Staying away from another vehicle comes with its own problems such as holding up traffic, in which case AI cannot "take the risk".
for one minute,
Time's up.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
assume the driver is an idiot
That's what I think about all the other drivers
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I believe the polite way to state that is to say "I practice defensive driving.".
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
It probably could, but with a fair number of false positives.
In this case, what are the real risks of a false positive? A car is given a bit more space than it needed to be given? There really isn't very much wrong with that. The costs of getting things wrong the other way are much higher. When the downsides are very asymmetric, it makes sense to bias errors...
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@dkf There's no greater sin than holding up traffic due to excessive caution. Traffic laws are to be obeyed, but there are times when they may be bent slightly to help increase the flow.
As for things that AI will consider reckless and which is not legal, but is done often enough [here], consider this:
As a pedestrian I have crossed the road on red (traffic permitting) if a queue is forming at the red. By doing so another two cars can make it as opposed to if I were to wait until the green. Human drivers will understand. AI would brand me reckless.
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@TimeBandit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
assume the driver is an idiot
That's what I think about all the other
drivershumans (and AIs)
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
As for things that AI will consider reckless and which is not legal, but is done often enough [here], consider this:
Left turns are not allowed in Appistan? What are you supposed to do, take 3 rights?
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I suppose each car would be required to yield to the other one, which would obviously create a deadlock.
(unlike programmers, law makers can get away with not considering corner cases.)
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Left turns are not allowed in Appistan? What are you supposed to do, take 3 rights?You're supposed to not cross a car coming the other way on their left, if you're both driving on the right.
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@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Left turns are not allowed in Appistan? What are you supposed to do, take 3 rights?You're supposed to not cross a car coming the other way on their left, if you're both driving on the right.
But they are both turning left?
Turning like in the picture is legal here, if rare.
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@Carnage Over here it's . Depends on the street, and in some cases where there are no lane markings it's not clear at all, so people need to use "common sense".
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Left turns are not allowed in Appistan? What are you supposed to do, take 3 rights?You're supposed to not cross a car coming the other way on their left, if you're both driving on the right.
But they are both turning left?
Turning like in the picture is legal here, if rare.I wouldn't even call it rare. I can't figure out what the issue is. Re-reading the post, I'm thinking he was talking about crossing the street on a red light, not anything the cars are doing.
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tl;dw: A moron of the highest order (i.e. the truck driver) is incapable of understanding a traffic sign ("No overtaking allowed for trucks") shown by the escorting car of a heavy duty transport. She then proceeds to call the police while also severely going against the rule that trucks have to obey a 50 meter distance to vehicles in front of them. She then proceeds to crash into the escort.
Not saying that the escort did everything correctly but this truck driver needs to have her license taken away. Which should be easy - after all, she recorded her idiocy. Also note that the speed limit is 80.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dkf There's no greater sin than holding up traffic due to excessive caution.
Not even mowing a queue of nuns down while playing The Chicken Dance at 120dB, all while driving a car with purple felted dog ears stuck to the outside?
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@boomzilla Both things in one post, poorly separated.
Doing the car thing is not legal. Cars must pass each other to turn in their respective directions. You could call it poor stoopid, but evidently it's perfectly legal elsewhere, so
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla Both things in one post, poorly separated.
Doing the car thing is not legal. Cars must pass each other to turn in their respective directions. You could call it poor stoopid, but evidently it's perfectly legal elsewhere, so
What's the rationale for that?
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What's the rationale for that?
But seriously, aggressive driving is a big issue here and is also causing many accidents. Basically two kinds of drivers: Auditards and phlegmatic retards.
And in a true commie ghost fashion, it's being attempted to reign in with increasingly restrictive rules.
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@Applied-Mediocrity just figured they'd teach about it in drivers ed or something.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla Both things in one post, poorly separated.
Doing the car thing is not legal. Cars must pass each other to turn in their respective directions. You could call it poor stoopid, but evidently it's perfectly legal elsewhere, so
Over here in the Nether Regions, it is not only legal, but the law!
Unless indicated otherwise by lines on the road, obviously.
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@nerd4sale Then can only I hope I'm not
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@nerd4sale said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla Both things in one post, poorly separated.
Doing the car thing is not legal. Cars must pass each other to turn in their respective directions. You could call it poor stoopid, but evidently it's perfectly legal elsewhere, so
Over here in the Nether Regions, it is not only legal, but the law!
Unless indicated otherwise by lines on the road, obviously.Now that I realized what the problem even was, I looked it up and learned that it wasn't always like that around here either. Only since 1992, apparently, is this the mandated way of doing left turns, before that it was the stupid way.
Never knew, not enough for that.
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@topspin As far as I know, the 2nd way is how we've always done it. And I've been driving since 1980.
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@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And I've been driving since 1980.
You must be tired.
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@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And I've been driving since 1980.
You must be tired.
Probably bald by now, tho.
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@Gribnit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And I've been driving since 1980.
You must be tired.
Probably bald by now, tho.
Well, I'll soon be retired!
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In the pass, the trading merchants form groups to move pass bandit infested area.
As police in China started to setup road blocks at night to milk fine from the truck drivers, they started to form groups to rush past any road blocks they see.
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@cheong
我们有一个很棒的大车队
骑马穿越黑夜
我们有一个很棒的大车队
这不是一个美丽的景象吗
护航
护航
护航
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I believe the polite way to state that is to say "I practice defensive driving.".
There was a TV commercial campaign back in the old days, "Look Out for the Other Guy."
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Car status: Along a long, straight, 80 km/h road, there is a short section of 50 km/h featuring a pedestrian crossing, a ferry on one side, and a speedbump.
So I reduced my speed.
And the van behind me didn't.
Me status: Annoyed.
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@PleegWat Do you expect to receive a ticket for overspeeding thanks to that van making you drive faster than you wanted?
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Imagine signing up for China voluntarily.
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@topspin There are some german car insurances offering such tariffs, too.
You get a bad score for driving at night, too.
And sometimes, the system "thinks" that you are driving on 30 km/h residential road parallel to the main highway, and adds some big minus for severe overspeeding...
Etc.
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Disco Steve in the house
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Passed the most Amish road sign ever: "Caution, exposed bridge joints. Walk horses over bridge"
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@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Passed the most Amish road sign ever: "Caution, exposed bridge joints.
After this part I thought it's gonna be a PG-13 warning.
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@loopback0 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Disco Steve in the house
Btw, those "engineering bricks" are very worrisome.
They're created to withstand force from above but very weak at the sides. Soon people will find their antitheft setup have no use because robbers will use sledgehammer to create their own entry path without making too much noise or other trouble.
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@cheong said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
sledgehammer
without making too much noise or other troubleThere's still windows.
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@cheong said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
sledgehammer
without making too much noise or other troubleThere's still windows.
Why bother with that when you have a disco van?
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@cheong said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
In the pass, the trading merchants form groups to move pass bandit infested area.
As police in China started to setup road blocks at night to milk fine from the truck drivers, they started to form groups to rush past any road blocks they see.
A friend who lived in Rio de Janeiro told me what happens there when there is a police road block at night testing alcohol levels. Some people wait a couple of blocks before the road block, hailing passing cars, and offer to drive the car (with the driver as passenger) for a couple of blocks and across the police check, for a small fee. Easy money for the helper, problem avoided for the driver coming back from the bar.
It must be obvious to police what is going on, when they see the same driver again and again, but apparently they don't give a shit about it and keep their useless checks.
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@loopback0 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Disco Steve in the house
The photo was meh, but your comment made it for me.
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@remi Putting your car in a stranger's hands in Rio de Janeiro at night sounds like something only a drunk person would— ohhhh!....
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Driving Anti-Pattern of the day double whammer: drive through sports hall & soccer players with more money & cars then brains
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