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I foresee no possible way this could go wrong
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@izzion said in Internet of shit:
I foresee no possible way this could go wrong
From TFA:
- Engineers believe they can build the dam within two years while eliminating the need for human laborers at the dam site.
- Artificial intelligence will control unmanned machinery to construct the overall structure.
Suffice it to say, I'm glad I don't live downstream of that dam.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
Suffice it to say, I'm glad I don't live downstream of that dam.
I wouldn't want to live upstream either.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
@Bulb said in Internet of shit:
The fact Crew Dragon uses UI built with node and webview suggests he managed to find some people who
understand how to do the certifications efficientlylook the other way.Well, sort of, but no, actually not. 95% of the work that normally goes into the certifications is missing the point completely and certified software is still often massive crap. The certification, if done properly, is more about managing consequences of bugs than ensuring there are none, because you can't really do the later.
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Yes, fault tolerance is a thing. But it's supposed to be used in addition to rigorous design practices, not as a substitute for them. You don't build reliable systems out of @Tsaukpaetraâgrade hardware/software.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
You don't build reliable systems out of @Tsaukpaetraâgrade hardware/software.
It'll be fine, as long as you reboot him frequently.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
rigorous design practices
Some of them are built so that the booster stage that's supposed to fall off and burn up doesn't fall off at all.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
You don't build reliable systems out of @Tsaukpaetraâgrade hardware/software.
It'll be fine, as long as you reboot him frequently.
Cars boot every time the ignition is triggered, right?
.... Right?
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
Yes, fault tolerance is a thing. But it's supposed to be used in addition to rigorous design practices, not as a substitute for them. You don't build reliable systems out of @Tsaukpaetraâgrade hardware/software.
Rigorous design practices? For the safety analysis maybe, but definitely not for the software. If it differs in quality from consumer software, it is invariably worse.
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@Bulb said in Internet of shit:
If it differs in quality from consumer software, it is invariably worse.
A real difference is that the hardware environment tends to be more controlled (i.e., the software and its hardware are paired properly) and practices like "reboot every morning" are more likely to be followed.
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@dkf said in Internet of shit:
A real difference is that the hardware environment tends to be more controlled (i.e., the software and its hardware are paired properly)
⊠which, however, leads to being a valid resolution. Which is fine and dandy until ten years later you need to make it work on the next generation hardware and the mess stares at you from the abyss.
@dkf said in Internet of shit:
practices like "reboot every morning" are more likely to be followed.
Remember that clock issue that requires some Airbus aircraft to be fully powered down every 146 or so days?
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@Bulb They don't run Windows 9x do they?
(No, that would require the cycle to be nearer to 49 days now I think about it.)
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@Arantor Airbus, no (those are real-time systems and Windows 95 is not).
Now, the Medtronic CareLink 2090 programmer (it's only for set up, but that's still safety critical, because the patient's life depends on it being able to set up the pacemaker correctly) affair that was mentioned somewhere around here, well, those still run Windows NT.
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@Bulb see, I was just going for the cheap joke.
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@Arantor said in Internet of shit:
@Bulb They don't run Windows 9x do they?
(No, that would require the cycle to be nearer to 49 days now I think about it.)
Knowing computers, and knowing 49 days is close to power-of-two seconds/milliseconds, I wonder why specifically 146 days. Though I guess it's possible that it's actually 196 days and they included a safety margin. 32-bits fixed-point seconds with an 8-bit fractional part? Or just 24-bits seconds and power-of-two word sizes are for wussies?
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@PleegWat I don't actually remember the number. I don't think it was only 49 though.
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@Bulb Just under.
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@PleegWat 2ÂłÂČ ms is just around 49 days. But I think the Airbus number was something else ⊠actually, quick web search suggests it is 149 hours. Also there is a 248 day limit for Boeing 787.
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@Bulb Hmm... 149 hours is 2ÂłÂČĂ125”s. Something counting ticks at a rate of 8kHz...
[Edit: I mean, it's also almost exactly 100 billion light-miles, but that's probably a coincidence.]
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@Watson said in Internet of shit:
[Edit: I mean, it's also almost exactly 100 billion light-miles, but that's probably a coincidence.]
Who knows. After all, one foot is about one light-nanosecond, which obviously means the universe is both imperial and metric
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@Zerosquare Actually, it is the human foot that has evolved to be around one light-nanosecond.
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@Zecc If your human foot is one imperial foot long, you are Biggus Footus.
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@BernieTheBernie I am indeed Biggus Footus, and I also have an imperial sized thumb.
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@Arantor With shoes, my feet reach 1 imperial foot, too. But then it otter be called a
shoe
, not afoot
.
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@Bulb said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat 2ÂłÂČ ms is just around 49 days. But I think the Airbus number was something else ⊠actually, quick web search suggests it is 149 hours.
That sounds like a reboot during the normal between-flights service cycle (along with loading fuel and food and emptying the toilets). Since it can go on a standard checklist, it's eminently practical.
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Want to pay your shopping bill with your card? Well, there some outages currently in Germany (did not find an english article on the topic):
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
Want to pay your shopping bill with your card? Well, there some outages currently in Germany (did not find an english article on the topic):
"A certificate error in certain versions", yeah that's one way to put it. Another one is that the company bought terminals that are cheap because they've been EOL since 2018 and sold them as new.
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Do you think that if the company that makes turns off their servers, all of the hipsters will die of thirst?
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@Zerosquare we're not that lucky.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
I got a bit too excited about a water bottle that reminds me to drink water.
I got this feeling called thirst to remind me to drink water. I don't need watery effing water bottle to do it.
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@boomzilla Wow, it even comes with in app purchases ...
One thing I found a bit off is that while you can choose different colors for the bottle to glow when you need to drink water if you want to customize the colors, you need to pay extra, which is⊠wrong? I mean, what a weird in-app purchase for a bottle that I already paid $70, and itâs literally one of the main functions.
... to customize the color that the bottle glows in. :lolnope^2:
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@cvi said in Internet of shit:
what a weird in-app purchase for a bottle that I already paid $70
$70
Well, they already know you're
an idiota whale, so this is not surprising.
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@Bulb I used to think that too, but then I discovered if I had an active reminder, Iâd drink more than âenough to stave off thirstâ and felt better for being better hydrated.
Iâm finally at the stage where I can dispense with my reminder service because I built enough habit up.
Unfortunately this means my neat idea for a reminder service app now has no intended customers (or test victims) so I suppose itâll never get built to production readiness and I canât monetise people like me. Something something i guess.
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@Arantor said in Internet of shit:
@Bulb I used to think that too, but then I discovered if I had an active reminder, Iâd drink more than âenough to stave off thirstâ and felt better for being better hydrated.
Same for me, but a transparent 1.5l jug on my desk works fine as a reminder.
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
Do you think that if the company that makes turns off their servers, all of the hipsters will die of thirst?
You can also compete with friends âin fun hydration challenges and earn trophies for your collection.â
The ones who haven't drunk themselves to death by out-competing that one friend who managed to drink 15 l a day just might.
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@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
"A certificate error in certain versions"
And again we were taught a short lesson.
For manufacturers, it will be conveniently easy to implement "Planned Obsolescence". Just use a certificate which will expire at the desired end date.
And nobody will ask about the real reason behind the suddenly stopped items...
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Apropos expired certificate,
Waiting for planes to fall from sky due to expired certificates. The bright future is appoaching.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
Apropos expired certificate,
Waiting for planes to fall from sky due to expired certificates. The bright future is appoaching.The fireball erupting when the plane hits the ground would be pretty bright, yes.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Internet of shit:
Apropos expired certificate,
Waiting for planes to fall from sky due to expired certificates. The bright future is appoaching.With the time it takes to certify anything for aircraft I'd say we have maybe 20 years before certificates make their way to aircraft so it may become a problem.
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@boomzilla With the clarity of Monday mornings, I can see one advantage of this thing, though.
If one fills up the bottle with hard liquor, the bottle will remind one regularly (I assume) that one is not drunk enough yet to deal with said Monday morning. Just in case one forgets.
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@cvi At least there are only 2 more mondays to go (2.5 weeks) before summer vacation!
Although also the most stressful week is this week. Sadly, alcohol is banned from work or I could bring the bottle of Bénédictine I bought this weekend to get through it.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Was it really lost? The path seems to lead somewhere and the surface is smooth enough to be navigable by that robot, so it might have perfectly good reason to ride that way.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
âSmart Grilling Hubâ ⊠where the hell is Wonko when the world needs him?
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@TimeBandit "This should take 10 to 25 minutes." for what's apparently an internet-connected meat thermometer.
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@dkf all those Node JS framework dependencies wonât install by themselves.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Take a closer look.
The robot needed a break for a pee. And, for reasons of convenience and privacy, it decided to drive into the park and look for a tree to pee onto.
Do not disturb it!
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@Bulb said in Internet of shit:
@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Was it really lost? The path seems to lead somewhere and the surface is smooth enough to be navigable by that robot, so it might have perfectly good reason to ride that way.