Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
if only there was an easy way to find out
Double-speed playback?
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@PleegWat This is starting to look like proper complicator's gloves to find a way to get to 250 words per minute.
ETA: I forgot to add some sort of random sarcastic comment, so in true
spirit I'll let you listen to your 
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Project TEMPA
The security of Tesla’s cars has been a hot topic in recent months. In addition to being one of the safest cars on the road, it is also well-protected from hacks and attacks. But how does Tesla make sure their vehicles are safe and secure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfG4JS71eUY&t=1s
tl;dr: Because Tesla wanted to reinvent the wheel (UWB is so last year) they opted for this system where they abused Bluetooth LE to authenticate drivers to the car. Which, because BLE was never designed nor intended for such a purpose, opened them up to relay attacks.
But (this I didn't know either) they also offered authentication by NFC card. So far, so good. Here's the catch, though: After swiping the card the car accepts all BLE communication for a whopping 130 seconds - and considers all of them as authorized, you just need a program which speaks the proprietary protocol. Which then allows you to add authorized keys to the database.
And if someone doesn't use the NFC card? Simply place a BT jammer somewhere nearby until they use their card.
So, basically, the only solution at this point is to enable the PIN2Drive which to me leads the whole thing ad absurdum.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
leads the whole thing ad absurdum.
It's Tesla. Ad absurdum is the starting point.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
leads the whole thing ad absurdum.
It's Tesla. Ad absurdum is the starting point.
And they're still accelerating upon crossing the border to Sheer Lunacy.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
enable the PIN2Drive
So they reinvented technology from mid-90s French cars?
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@loopback0 but worse!
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And they're still accelerating upon crossing the border to Sheer Lunacy.
Well yeah, their cameras are trained on detecting emergency vehicles to ram, simple borders are just something that you ignore.
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@boomzilla can't have technology making things better. That'd never catch on!
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@loopback0 we'd never have gotten blockchain if it did.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
leads the whole thing ad absurdum.
It's Tesla. Ad absurdum is the starting point.
And they're still accelerating upon crossing the border to Sheer Lunacy.
Fairly soon, they'll be doing Ludicrous Speed.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
leads the whole thing ad absurdum.
It's Tesla. Ad absurdum is the starting point.
And they're still accelerating upon crossing the border to Sheer Lunacy.
Fairly soon, they'll be doing Ludicrous Speed.
I think they already referenced Plaid themselves. Truth can be stranger than fiction, it seems.
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WATCH: Cowboys, emergency crews wrangle cow loose on busy Oklahoma City highway
Crews wrangled a cow after it got loose on a busy Oklahoma City highway Monday morning.
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You may recall a number of incidents where Hertz reported cars as being stolen (usually overdue rentals, sometimes not even overdue) but failed to report them as recovered when they were eventually returned. This resulted in people with perfectly valid rental cars being arrested because the cars they were driving were flagged as stolen when the police ran the license plates during routine traffic stops.
In case you thought it was safe to rent a vehicle from a company other than Hertz, ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYMkhRmBya4
Transcript:
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welcome once again to lato's law here's
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steve lato had a whole bunch of people
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send me a story it reminds us of the
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hertz stories where hertz was reporting
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cars stolen and people were getting
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arrested uh when they simply rented a
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hertz vehicle well there's something
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different going on here but it involves
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u-haul so some people immediately noted
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the connection between you know hurts
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and u-haul but also this is someone
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getting arrested for a mistake that it
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appears
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you all made so ktnv.com published the
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story 13 investigates
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u-haul customer jailed over company's
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mistake
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the rumble of a u-haul truck should have
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been the sound of a fresh start for the
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man and his girlfriend in the story he
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said my hopes were high i got a good job
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with my brother at a fab shop we were
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making
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honey extractors and uh
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his girlfriend had an opportunity to be
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a real estate agent with my brother's
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wife and things were looking up so we
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rented a u-haul
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in the final stages of relocating to
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southern utah the couple rented a u-haul
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in st george to spend christmas in vegas
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with the girlfriend's family
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and the man says i was excited to come
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to town i had presents for everybody
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so the man was driving with
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his girlfriend's father
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they stopped at a 7-eleven to guess at
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the truck on their way to christmas
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dinner i was waiting at the dinner table
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calling them over and over and over
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again and they were not picking up says
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the girlfriend and nobody knew what had
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happened to them
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after a few hours i got a phone call
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from the boyfriend from jail
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saying he's pulled over for stolen
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plates on the u-haul that he had just
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rented
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unbeknownst to the boyfriend the license
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plate in the truck didn't match the one
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on his contract
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now the father of the girlfriend said
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you wouldn't think something like this
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would happen
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how could this be a fictitious plate
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henderson police spotted the truck
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ran the plate and saw the plate came up
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as stolen and so they figured well the
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people in the truck are the obvious
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suspects
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uh the boyfriend says they pulled me out
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with guns drawn and they put me in
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handcuffs and threw me in the back of
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the car
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and the father of the girlfriend says um
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they pulled me right out of the store in
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front of all the people like i was
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robbing the place or something i was
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like what what did i do what's wrong
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police records show two men were
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arrested and charged with displaying a
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fictitious plate that's one of those
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things that i often point out to people
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is that if you borrow someone else's car
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i'm just giving an example here you
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borrow your friend's car you're driving
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down the road and police officer pulls
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you over says you know license and
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registration
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well you give them your license but you
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need the registration for the vehicle
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you're in
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and so you hope they've got one
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and also insurance
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what if your friend lent you a car that
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had no insurance on it oh and the
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registration has expired your friend
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doesn't get in trouble for that you do
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because you're the one who's driving the
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car
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so i just couldn't believe my ears are
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telling me they gave me a stolen plate
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says the boyfriend
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who wound up pleading no contest in
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court
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why plead no contest to something you
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know you didn't do
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asks the investigator from the tv
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station and he said because i wanted to
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get out and get back to work
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it was just already too late he said
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so an attorney called it the wrong place
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wrong time perfect storm scenario
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this isn't the type of case the attorney
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would normally take but when they called
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him
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after going into his office he said you
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know it seems so weird so odd and
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they're so destitute he lost his job
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he laid out all the documents i was
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looking at going this is just
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unbelievable
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and the two of course the boyfriend
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girlfriend saw the answers they recorded
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their visit to the u-haul office on
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decatur
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where the truck was taken after police
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impounded it
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we're just trying to piece it all
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together here why this happened she asks
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an employee
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and nick asks has this ever happened to
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you guys before
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and the employee says i've only had it
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happen once and i've been here three and
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a half years
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nick asked why police would have run the
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plate to begin with and the employee
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responds here they run all the u-haul
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plates just to make sure they're on good
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contracts
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because u-hauls do get stolen
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so u-haul has apparently
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asked them to run the plates when they
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see a u-haul truck but
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going over the timeline
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the girlfriend noted that u-haul
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this particular one was dropped off at
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the st george location at 11 am
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and then
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they had it from 11 a.m until 4 p.m when
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they picked it up
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and um they rented it of course the
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vehicle could have been inspected in
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that five-hour window
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of course it may have been inspected but
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nobody caught the wrong plate on it
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the contract from these customers shows
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that it came in from somewhere in
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colorado their attorney explains
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according to police report the plates
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have been reported stolen in california
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back in july of 2020 about a year and a
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half before this truck was rented by the
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couple in this case
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and sarah the girlfriend said this is
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basically just pure negligence
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the police report says the license plate
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on their u-haul box truck was supposed
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to be on a u-haul ford f-150 pickup
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which makes you wonder why somebody
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would steal a license plate from a
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u-haul to put on a u-haul
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uh it's a little bit scary as could
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happen anyone who runs at you all for a
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move or otherwise
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it's really scary said the attorney if
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you're not careful on your end you could
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be driving a vehicle improperly licensed
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and how would you ever know
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and that is the case how would you ever
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know there's something else that the
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couple didn't know what happened to some
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of their belongings that were in the
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back of the truck because when the truck
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got pulled over and they got arrested
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that is the man and his girlfriend's
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father
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they were no longer possession of the
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truck
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now the girlfriend says there was a
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special plant i had in there that was
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the most important thing
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because
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it contained her mother's ashes
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and it disappeared she said i have no
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idea what happened to my mother she says
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she also lost personal financial records
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her social security number was
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compromised and so was her bank account
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which she says she then had to close due
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to suspicious activity
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now in uhaul's settlement offer in this
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case the company admits no wrong doing
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but they admit that the wrong plate was
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on the truck they apologized the
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unfortunate incidents and they made an
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offer of three thousand five hundred
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dollars with a pre-signed liability
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release
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only the signature in the document they
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sent is the girlfriends
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and the truck rentals actually in the
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boyfriend's name
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and now of course they're wondering who
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signed this documents there's all kinds
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of problems there as well now they're
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not allowed to talk about how much money
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they ultimately got after they hired the
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attorney
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asked for an interview you all sent back
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a written statement saying it is not our
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practice to offer comment or grant
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interviews on legal cases pending or
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settled
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even after the case was settled you all
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kept coming back after the boyfriend
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because they kept the truck overtime of
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course which he did not do the police
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had it
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it was impounded but that didn't stop
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u-haul from sending him to collections
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his most recent bill is for nearly nine
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hundred dollars
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after the tv station reached out to
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u-haul for this story they then
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apparently contacted the collection
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agency and says you can stop trying to
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collect that debt
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so it was a mess all the way around and
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i don't know this one baffles me why
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someone would steal a license plate off
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one um put it on another unless of
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course they're planning on keeping the
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u-haul way beyond the contract time but
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by putting another u-haul plate on it it
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seems to pop back up in the system
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so i don't know now i've mentioned
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before they've had a variety of jobs
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before i became an attorney i was a disc
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jockey i worked at a gas station i drove
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a tow truck and believe it or not one of
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the shortest length jobs i ever had time
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wise i worked for a company that rented
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cars
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i kid you not very very briefly and i've
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never mentioned it before because it
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never would have mattered with any fact
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pattern that we talked about here on
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this show
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however when i was in high school i had
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a driver's license i don't think i was
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18 years old though i got a job as a
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porter for a company that rented cars in
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southfield on telegraph road the bulk of
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their business was the car dealerships
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up and down telegraph road somebody got
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a car accident brought their car to the
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dealership it was in for repairs they
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say we need a rental car and the
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dealership is they call this place it's
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right down the street and then i'd get
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the phone call i'd have to run over the
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dealership pick the person up bring them
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back let them sign paperwork and they'd
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be off on their merry way i didn't
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handle the paperwork all i did was run
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cars back and forth run cars back and
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forth and also check in cars when
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customers brought them back and every
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car we had had a set of car keys on it
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that had a tag that identified the make
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and model and year of the car and
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the license plate the license plate so i
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can't say after all these years for
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certain that i walked around and checked
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the license plate on every single car as
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i checked it in or checked it out but i
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think we would have noticed if somebody
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swapped the plate out it would have
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gotten caught i think so i think so but
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it's very strange to me
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that these people i'm talking about
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u-haul when they get a vehicle in they
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climb all over it and i've rented
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u-hauls before in fact in the last five
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years i've actually rented u-hauls i
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think one to three different occasions
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that i can think of uh and so i've
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rented u-hauls and i'm familiar with the
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entire experience and the you know go
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inside sign the contract sign your life
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away all that stuff you know go out get
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in the truck and then you gotta remember
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where the gas gauge was and bring it
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back on that all that and
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i would assume that one of the things
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they glance at is the license plate
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but it's a crazy set of circumstances
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but
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people got arrested because somebody put
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a stolen plate on the u-haul which
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strikes me is extremely odd so i suspect
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someone in the audience will have a very
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good explanation i have not thought of
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yet as why somebody would do that and if
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you have such an explanation please
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comments below that's what they're there
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for so got to thank uh all the people
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who sent the story ken jamie david brian
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rex ricky matthew and joe the story from
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ktnv.com
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13 investigates u-haul customer jailed
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over a company's mistake but appears now
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the case has been resolved talk to you
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later bye-bye thank you for watching
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latos law there is no quick way to
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success it comes in installments every
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day's activities is a minor contribution
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to a heavy pay of success don't waste
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the day
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How NOT to beat a DUI charge:
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
How NOT to beat a DUI charge:
The best comment:
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On the topic of Tesla, the local newspaper had a thing about Tesla accidents in the US.
Out of 35 accidents [with Teslas], 3 of them have been determined to have not been caused by the vehicle being on autopilot.
Kinda telling where it’s easier to list the cases where autopilot wasn’t involved…
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
tl;dr?
Man Charged w/ 157 MPH in a 65 MPH Zone
Plus:
- "I didn't realize I was going so fast."
- Legal consequences may include 6 points on license, losing license, 30 days in jail, 6 months ban on getting new license, and possibly a criminal conviction that shows on your record when you apply to your next job.
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The rest is just rambling, for example of how driving very fast at night is irresponsible.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
tl;dr?
Man Charged w/ 157 MPH in a 65 MPH Zone
Plus:
- "I didn't realize I was going so fast."
- Legal consequences may include 6 points on license, losing license, 30 days in jail, 6 months ban on getting new license, and possibly a criminal conviction that shows on your record when you apply to your next job.
Way to ruin our
funtorment.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
if only there was an easy way to find out
Double-speed playback?
This is why I can't watch streams. They are unedited and slow.
Something edited that I can speed up, much better.
If I am still struggling to focus, I play with a fidget spinner. Otherwise I distract myself with email and what not and miss what I am trying to learn.
This is another benefit of working from home. I can't do that in the office.
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@boomzilla eh, the punch will be inefficient as such. Really effective only for sharply jerking the wheel killing everyone. That's much less embarrassing probably.
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@aitap the cable has stretched, or gotten longer in some other fashion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-hsaHksdg
Because embedding is hit-or-miss, the video title: "Kids Lost Cars for Doing Donuts by PD After Graduation"
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@HardwareGeek … ah, the title in the video itself makes quarter a nibble more sense.
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@izzion said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Sad monster truck noises
A tractor doing a wheelie could just do the same trick
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@Gribnit I think that the mechanic has checked that. @acrow's guess of an air bubble seems most likely for now, given how the problem seemed to solve itself and never reappeared despite multiple traffic jams we had to sit through since. But @Carnage may still be right and we may end up replacing the other cylinder, too.
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Staged crashes, fake injuries, insurance fraud
37 convictions.
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Caught on Camera: Van being hauled by truck smashes into overpass in Broward County
Dashcam video shows a van being hauled by a truck smashing into an overpass in Broward County.
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@boomzilla good smashies! But our Florida Man is in another
...
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@Gribnit yeah, but it's kinda boring for Florida Man stuff. I considered putting it there but it seemed better to put it here.
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@boomzilla dunno, I estimate interest in foot-pounds / second so it had me hooked.
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@Gribnit I guess "boring" was the wrong word. More like "banal."
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Gribnit I guess "boring" was the wrong word. More like "banal."
Too banal for Florida sounds pretty scary. I'm gonna hide under my porch awhile.
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This was just sent to me by a friend:
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More rental car company screw-ups. TL;DW: Woman rents a car. Woman returns the car. Rental company says she didn't. Woman gets a speeding ticket (from a speed camera) issued almost a month after she returned the car (and $1000s in late charges on her debit card). Woman kept the paperwork proving she'd returned the car. Months later, the company eventually paid the ticket themselves and promised the charges would be refunded Real Soon Now™.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Woman kept the paperwork proving she'd returned the car.
Paperwork?
I've had occasion to rent cars while traveling various times, and I don't recall ever receiving "proof of return" paperwork when I took one back.
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@Mason_Wheeler What kind of place do you rent from? Every time I rent one from an airport, they want a signature from me to a form that states the car was undamaged when handed to me. And when I return the car, I get the second copy of the same, with their signature, to prove the car was undamaged upon return.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What kind of place do you rent from?
...the kind at airports, I guess?
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@Mason_Wheeler And you never got a carbon copy of a form listing the car's damaged areas (or lack thereof)?
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Mason_Wheeler And you never got a carbon copy of a form listing the car's damaged areas (or lack thereof)?
Only on receiving the car. Returning the car is handled differently by different companies. Some only require you to throw the key into their return box.
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@Rhywden I understand why the rental companies would like that method. I'm just wondering why anyone who rents a car would waive their right to a receipt. But I guess people's evaluation of risks is different.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Woman kept the paperwork proving she'd returned the car.
Paperwork?
I've had occasion to rent cars while traveling various times, and I don't recall ever receiving "proof of return" paperwork when I took one back.
Not even a receipt? These days there's usually a guy that checks the car and prints it out so you have something for your expense report.
