WTF Bites


  • BINNED

    Firefox is doing a survey. Normally I'd just dismiss this crap, but because of the telemetry trap I decided I'd give it a shot for once.

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    How satisfied are you with the search for the following categories in Firefox on your desktop or laptop

    Work / school related, online shopping, health, media/entertainment/social media, local search (weather/restaurants/shops/news)

    Very dissatisfied, rather dissatisfied, neutral, rather satisfied, very satisfied, N/A

    What the fuck kind of question is that?
    Firefox is a browser, not a search engine. You can ask me how satisfied I am with the usability of the search bar, customization of search engines, auto suggestions, etc. Technical questions like that. The search results are provided by the search engine, and the category of what I search for has nothing to do wtih how I use the browser.
    You are building a browser, you should be aware of that concept.



  • @topspin Given that Mozilla's principle revenue stream is the people paying for their search to be default...?



  • Speaking of Mozilla, I just got this banner:

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    Why would I ever trust one of Mozilla's partners with my privacy? I think I'd rather just have my ISP handle it


  • 🚽 Regular

    @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    You can ask me how satisfied I am with the usability of the search bar

    And on that subject: who thought it was a good idea to change focus to the address bar when I start typing in the search box in the center of a new tab? (both highlighted red in your screenshot) :wtf:


  • Considered Harmful

    @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    Firefox is doing a survey. Normally I'd just dismiss this crap, but because of the telemetry trap I decided I'd give it a shot for once.

    Bildschirmfoto 2022-04-07 um 23.31.37.png

    How satisfied are you with the search for the following categories in Firefox on your desktop or laptop

    Work / school related, online shopping, health, media/entertainment/social media, local search (weather/restaurants/shops/news)

    Very dissatisfied, rather dissatisfied, neutral, rather satisfied, very satisfied, N/A

    What the fuck kind of question is that?
    Firefox is a browser, not a search engine. You can ask me how satisfied I am with the usability of the search bar, customization of search engines, auto suggestions, etc. Technical questions like that. The search results are provided by the search engine, and the category of what I search for has nothing to do wtih how I use the browser.
    You are building a browser, you should be aware of that concept.

    They probably correctly assume that >90% of their users have NFC what you're even talking about. That or the 90% include the Mozilla marketroids who design these surveys.
    inb4 :why_not_both:



  • @hungrier Might want to check your Firefox installations. Most of mine got the banner, but one was already on Cloudflare DNS over HTTPs when I opened connection settings.


  • BINNED

    @Zecc said in WTF Bites:

    @topspin said in WTF Bites:

    You can ask me how satisfied I am with the usability of the search bar

    And on that subject: who thought it was a good idea to change focus to the address bar when I start typing in the search box in the center of a new tab? (both highlighted red in your screenshot) :wtf:

    It's trying to tell you that you don't need that thing. 😉



  • @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    Languages like C and C++ don't because of the same problem of needing the main compiler vendors to agree on anything that should be added, and actually adding it.

    A significant part of the C community doesn't want any standard library at all because they'll supply their own that works better in the very specific use cases that they're working with. (Seriously, glibc is really bloated when you're working in a very restricted environment.)

    No, you can't have a standard library, we have a standard library at home!



  • @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    @hungrier said in WTF Bites:

    @Bulb I recall trying to install it on Windows, and it refused to do so unless you changed some actual virtualization setting, maybe even something in the bios. But that's only on Windows: In Linux, even a Linux guest VM, it Just Worked™

    That's because the containers are designed to run under Linux, so it needs a Linux and it installed in VM. It has since switched to WSL2, but I believe that still uses some bits of the virtualization support. It also needs a Linux VM when installed on MacOS.

    :um-actually: There is a possibility to make Windows containers with Windows applications. I assume that in that case, no VM is necessary.
    But I've never heard about anyone who actually even tried that thing.


  • Considered Harmful

    @Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:

    But I've never heard about anyone who actually even tried that thing.

    I am hereby betting: @Tsaukpaetra ?



  • @Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:

    @Zecc said in WTF Bites:

    @LaoC said in WTF Bites:

    says they're working on something sane that's not ready yet

    Well, a Date constructor takes time.

    :rimshot:

    What? It's only 04 October 2005 20:22.

    I can find only one point of ambiguity as I'm trying to match the specified expressions.


  • Considered Harmful

    @djls45 said in WTF Bites:

    I can find only one point of ambiguity as I'm trying to match the specified expressions.

    And with that you've already put more thought into it than I did. People were dunking on Javascript (ever the popular and easy target), @Zecc made an actually funny quip, got upboets, I just wanted in on the action.



  • @Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:

    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    @hungrier said in WTF Bites:

    @Bulb I recall trying to install it on Windows, and it refused to do so unless you changed some actual virtualization setting, maybe even something in the bios. But that's only on Windows: In Linux, even a Linux guest VM, it Just Worked™

    That's because the containers are designed to run under Linux, so it needs a Linux and it installed in VM. It has since switched to WSL2, but I believe that still uses some bits of the virtualization support. It also needs a Linux VM when installed on MacOS.

    :um-actually: There is a possibility to make Windows containers with Windows applications. I assume that in that case, no VM is necessary.
    But I've never heard about anyone who actually even tried that thing.

    Dtto. Yes, I know, and … actually I heard, third hand, about someone who actually used that thing. But this argument was about Linux docker and Linux containers. Windows don't run on anything but x86 and arm families anyway (actually, Windows CE do also run on SH4 and MIPS IIRC, but I doubt they made containers for Windows EC, which are no longer for general use).


  • Considered Harmful

    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    Windows EC

    Is that what Harold Klemp uses? 🍹


  • Notification Spam Recipient

    @Benjamin-Hall said in WTF Bites:

    @dcon said in WTF Bites:

    @hungrier said in WTF Bites:

    @Arantor Usually it's ok but sometimes it Verymuch Sucks

    Still better than xcode.

    That bar isn't just low, it's embedded somewhere near the center of the earth. If it were possible to get lower, xCode would find a way.

    https://youtu.be/a01QQZyl-_I


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    @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    @Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:

    But I've never heard about anyone who actually even tried that thing.

    I am hereby betting: @Tsaukpaetra ?

    Not yet! My current fucks have not built up enough yet. Try again in a month.



  • So I am subcontracting for this big company. I access their network through a VPN that is proxies all the way down.

    Well, on Thursday evening the tower of proxies collapsed.

    • The (web) mail started saying simply that the proxy (which appears to mean some proxy further down the chain) is refusing connections.
    • Most sites say I cannot be authenticated. It does seem like the main culprit is some authentication thing falling apart.
    • Some sites work, because they are in some other DMZ that has less strict policy.

    Unfortunately the source code repositories and build server are in the middle category, so I can't do anything. Ok, not :trwtf: yet.

    So on Monday we discussed the issue – there is several people from our company subcontracting for the same department of the same corporation, but different projects. And some said that their project leaders (at the client) raised separate tickets with their IT support.

    :trwtf: It got fixed only for those people whose managers phoned the IT support. Because apparently creating the ticket alone, or mailing them, won't raise the priority high enough. And of course they can't just fix it for everybody when they are at it, they fix it for each person separately. Because their IT support is clearly full of :mordac:s.

    Proxies all the way down: I VPN to some DMZ that has a http proxy that lets me CONNECT to the services I am allowed to access, from the look of the current issue through further proxies, and then I have a local proxy in front of it to route only the domains that should be to it and provide credentials for applications that may have trouble doing it themselves.

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    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    :trwtf: It got fixed only for those people whose managers phoned the IT support. Because apparently creating the ticket alone, or mailing them, won't raise the priority high enough.

    Phone culture :killitwithfire:



  • @MrL Yup. Their IT is very much stuck in a phone culture.

    Which is another complication, because for us externs their directory contains some bogus phone number to some office thousand kilometres and several countries away from where we can actually be found. So one day I had a ticket open and they wanted something. But instead of asking the additional questions over e-mail they sent me an e-mail saying they couldn't reach me. So I responded with the correct phone number that is actually on my desk. And a couple of days later they responded they couldn't reach me again, because they either didn't read the response at all or were not willing to accept the external (obviously) phone number.


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    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    @MrL Yup. Their IT is very much stuck in a phone culture.

    Which is another complication, because for us externs their directory contains some bogus phone number to some office thousand kilometres and several countries away from where we can actually be found. So one day I had a ticket open and they wanted something. But instead of asking the additional questions over e-mail they sent me an e-mail saying they couldn't reach me. So I responded with the correct phone number that is actually on my desk. And a couple of days later they responded they couldn't reach me again, because they either didn't read the response at all or were not willing to accept the external (obviously) phone number.

    Sounds almost as dysfunctional as IT around here. Good luck.



  • @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    And a couple of days later they responded they couldn't reach me again, because they either didn't read the response at all or were not willing to accept the external (obviously) phone number.

    Clearly you should have phoned them.



  • @Watson Yes. IIRC it was kind of pointless because it actually required some other bureaucratic procedure to get what I needed anyway.


  • Considered Harmful

    @Bulb yeah. Eventually the managers go full retrograde. The diagnostic phrase is "email is not communication". True for illiterates, certainly.

    Some directors may operate on something other than sublimated masochism but I doubt it.



  • @Gribnit There is always the “People spend too much time reading e-mails. I know, we'll ban e-mail” approach some former colleagues have been through.



  • @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    whose managers phoned the IT support.

    What? That's the :trwtf: !
    In a correct world, they'd better use 📠 .





  • @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    And of course they can't just fix it for everybody when they are at it, they fix it for each person separately.

    Update: so we know the proximate cause. Accounts get locked after a year unless renewed, presumably to avoid having unneeded active accounts around too long. Now most of our accounts should have been renewed some time late last year, for which the project managers should have gotten a reminder, but the system was apparently not working. So probably something somewhere woke up, noticed the accounts should be expired and disabled them – without any notification. That explains why all of them had to be re-enabled one by one.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    Accounts get locked after a year unless renewed, presumably to avoid having unneeded active accounts around too long.

    Because connecting anything with HR is too hard? Figures, I guess…


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @dkf

    1. HR fails to send notifications to IT for terminations
    2. A hostile separatee decides to get his revenge with credentials that weren’t disabled.
    3. IT gets the blame for failing to disable his account.
    4. IT sets a policy of automatic account expirations based on initial contract term with a max of 1 year to “do something”
    5. HR is still shite at remembering to send notifications on termination.


  • What it should do, obviously, is automatically terminate HR's accounts if they fail to do their job on time. :half-trolleybus-tl:



  • @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    Accounts get locked after a year unless renewed, presumably to avoid having unneeded active accounts around too long.

    Because connecting anything with HR is too hard? Figures, I guess…

    I am pretty sure that when it comes to sub-contractors of contractors, HR is not involved at all.

    Of course, that is often the whole point of having a contractor pyramid.



  • @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    @Bulb said in WTF Bites:

    Accounts get locked after a year unless renewed, presumably to avoid having unneeded active accounts around too long.

    Because connecting anything with HR is too hard? Figures, I guess…

    It's a huge multi-national limited liability company. With multitude of variations on each kind of system as they inherited stuff as they grew by buying smaller companies. Connecting anything with anything is too hard.



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    @Gribnit said in WTF Bites:

    sublimated masochism

    I'll have to remember this one.


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    @izzion said in WTF Bites:

    @dkf

    1. HR fails to send notifications to IT for terminations
    2. A hostile separatee decides to get his revenge with credentials that weren’t disabled.
    3. IT gets the blame for failing to disable his account.
    4. IT sets a policy of automatic account expirations based on initial contract term with a max of 1 year to “do something”
    5. HR is still shite at remembering to send notifications on termination.

    Hold on, adding issue to my registration project....


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Why are multiple unrelated apps all breaking weirdly today? (I didn't write any of them. I don't think Tsaukpaetra was very involved in any of them either.) It's very irritating.



  • @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    Why are multiple unrelated apps all breaking weirdly today? (I didn't write any of them. I don't think Tsaukpaetra was very involved in any of them either.) It's very irritating.

    Patch Tuesday was yesterday...


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    @dcon said in WTF Bites:

    @dkf said in WTF Bites:

    Why are multiple unrelated apps all breaking weirdly today? (I didn't write any of them. I don't think Tsaukpaetra was very involved in any of them either.) It's very irritating.

    Patch Tuesday was yesterday...

    Fuck, I ran all the patch Tuesday's yesterday on the hopes I wouldn't have to touch my home computer if I needed it remotely...



  • @Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:

    What it should do, obviously, is automatically terminate HR's accounts if they fail to do their job on time. :half-trolleybus-tl:

    Or even terminate the HR drones.


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    @Carnage said in WTF Bites:

    @Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:

    What it should do, obviously, is automatically terminate HR's accounts if they fail to do their job on time. :half-trolleybus-tl:

    Or even terminate the HR drones.

    We don't terminate anymore, spawning instances is inefficient. Instead we monkey patch them into new roles!



  • The Bad Ideas™ thread is :arrows:



  • aitap: stopifnot(x)
    R: (nothing, exception not raised)
    aitap all(x)
    R: [1] TRUE
    Makes sense, x must be a logical vector consisting of a number of TRUE, right?
    aitap: any(x)
    R: [1] FALSE
    aitap: :wat:

    Now, what x actually was? A zero-length logical vector. In a way, it's even convenient: when validating that any user-submitted widget must have property foo and the user submits zero widgets, the validation check rightfully passes, because no user-submitted widget has been found not to possess property foo.

  • Java Dev

    @aitap It's also the generally accepted mathematical value of the any (∃) and all (∀) operators applied to that set.



  • @PleegWat said in WTF Bites:

    @aitap It's also the generally accepted mathematical value of the any (∃) and all (∀) operators applied to that set.

    And from what I know of R, that's the dominant concern. It's foremost a statistics/mathematics package, not a generalized "make applications for consumers" language (although being Turing complete, it can be used for the latter, much like C can be used to make applications that people can actually use, not just malware :tro-pop).



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    Hey, FF, I don't think a randomly generated credit/debit card number would be very useful.



  • It very much would be, if they fixed the bug to make it only generate valid card numbers (that are not yours) 🍹



  • @HardwareGeek My Foundry VTT installation (for running remote D&D games) and my LastPass extension have an interaction like that--LastPass interprets the "monster name" field as a username. So it overlays the "pick/save username!" on it. Which isn't really useful. I really should disable lastpass for that site....


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Benjamin-Hall Froghemoth checks out…


  • BINNED

    @HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:

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    Hey, FF, I don't think a randomly generated credit/debit card number would be very useful.

    That’s probably the website’s fault for using the wrong input types.



  • @topspin True, but :faxbarrierjoker:.


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