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status: I just did a "workplace violence" where the quiz at the end was literally "all the above" responses.
Each.... But did I learn anything?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
status: I just did a "workplace violence" where the quiz at the end was literally "all the above" responses.
Each.... But did I learn anything?
That the workplace violence was inside us all along?
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
I just did a "workplace violence"
Should you admit that in public?
I have been acted upon!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
status: I just did a "workplace violence" where the quiz at the end was literally "all the above" responses.
Each.... But did I learn anything?
Welcome to the world of mandatory training videos. They are all shit. In my last place the correct answers were always the longest ones.
And then you'd get a survey asking about your learning experience and how much you'd recommend this to someone else.
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@homoBalkanus said in WTF Bites:
In my last place the correct answers were always the longest ones.
It was always said about the theoretical exams for driving license here – if unsure, select the longest answer, it's usually the right one.
Also yesterday I was doing a company security training (predictably a
) and the same rule was true as well (there was one multi-select question where the two longest were correct, so that's a partial exception).@homoBalkanus said in WTF Bites:
training videos
Not a video in my case, just plain text. And it was at least something that actually make sense to train, though the execution left a lot to be desired.
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@homoBalkanus said in WTF Bites:
mandatory training videos
@homoBalkanus said in WTF Bites:
how much you'd recommend this to someone else.
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WTF of my day: So I tried my hand at Blazor WebAssembly. Since I wanted some authentication, the docs suggested that it was merely a case of adding the needed authentication info from my Keycloak instance and inserting two lines of code.
Well, something did not work. The error messages were not too enlightening but I did spot something about missing CORS headers in the console of the WASM app. Weird that none of my other apps complained about such missing headers. Alright. Added the headers in the nginx config file, confirmed with Curl and PostMan that they were indeed set to the proper value...
... and now the bloody thing complained that there were two headers. Said headers having an identical value, even.
Yeah, no, Curl and PostMan both disagree with you there, mate.
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@Rhywden .... aaaaaand of course the cause of the problem was to be found somewhere completely different. It's working now.
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I've read so many jokes about Web x.0 that I couldn't remember what number people out there were taking seriously.
Well. Apparently just at Web 3.0. Much like Web 2.0, it doesn't really seem to provide worth while. In fact:
And now the dawn of Web3 is upon us. People define it in a few different ways, but at its core is the idea of decentralization, which we’ve seen with cryptocurrencies (key drivers of Web3).
Well, much like Web 2.0 or anything-web, there's not exactly any compelling reason to take this seriously either.
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@cvi the bit that kills me is that what is old is new again. The web was always somewhat decentralised and then the social media juggernauts happened.
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The $130,000. Porsche. Station Wagon.
Porsche builds a sporty red wagon: The 2022 Taycan GTS Sport Turismo
We get our first drive in the latest electric Porsche, and it's a station wagon.
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@cvi the bit that kills me is that what is old is new again. The web was always somewhat decentralised
It was very decentralized, just connected with hyperlinks. That’s why it’s called the web.
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@cvi the bit that kills me is that what is old is new again. The web was always somewhat decentralised and then the social media juggernauts happened.
I've heard this particular joke in some Polish comedy sketch from the 70s (in one of the countless TV reruns that our national TV likes to do when they run out of anything new). Except it was about government structure instead of a corporation (autonomous local offices vs. centralized command). What I'm trying to say is, this joke is older than capitalism.
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The $130,000. Porsche. Station Wagon.
Porsche builds a sporty red wagon: The 2022 Taycan GTS Sport Turismo
We get our first drive in the latest electric Porsche, and it's a station wagon.
Better than Porsche Cayenne.
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What I'm trying to say is, this joke is older than capitalism.
must … not … 
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@LaoC capitalism in Poland started in 1988, is what I was referring to.
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@LaoC capitalism in Poland started in 1988, is what I was referring to.
I assumed you were talking about Poland, but didn't have pre Nazi occupation Poland down as feudalistic.
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@LaoC feudalism endured in Poland well into the 19th century. In 1930s we've still had like 30% illiteracy, almost all of it east of Vistula. These stats got much better during the war, although not because more people got education.
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@LaoC feudalism endured in Poland well into the 19th century. In 1930s we've still had like 30% illiteracy, almost all of it east of Vistula.
You mean like with serfdom, landed gentry and no more than primitive manufacture? Illiteracy is not unusual at all for the less advanced stages of industrialization so that's not usually included in the definition of feudalism.
Edit: and the joke is probably not older than the 1830s, is it?
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@LaoC feudalism endured in Poland well into the 19th century. In 1930s we've still had like 30% illiteracy, almost all of it east of Vistula.
You mean like with serfdom, landed gentry and no more than primitive manufacture?
Yup! It wasn't until 1864 that serfdom was officially dissolved. Although western Poles got it a few decades earlier, due to being conquered by the Kaiser instead of the tsar.
Edit: and the joke is probably not older than the 1830s, is it?
I'm pretty sure the joke is as old as the idea of decentralization.
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@LaoC feudalism endured in Poland well into the 19th century. In 1930s we've still had like 30% illiteracy, almost all of it east of Vistula.
You mean like with serfdom, landed gentry and no more than primitive manufacture?
Yup! It wasn't until 1864 that serfdom was officially dissolved. Although western Poles got it a few decades earlier, due to being conquered by the Kaiser instead of the tsar.
That's still more than half a century of official capitalism before the Nazis appeared.
Edit: and the joke is probably not older than the 1830s, is it?
I'm pretty sure the joke is as old as the idea of decentralization.
OK, decentralizations was probably a big topic of discussion in the serf/landowner management meetings.
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@LaoC I imagine it was quite big on the meetings between the absolutist kings of 17th century and the disgruntled nobles.
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@LaoC I imagine it was quite big on the meetings between the absolutist kings of 17th century and the disgruntled nobles.
The fight about how best to run a streamlined feudal economy at maximum efficiency was fierce at the time.
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@cvi the bit that kills me is that what is old is new again. The web was always somewhat decentralised and then the social media juggernauts happened.
I've heard this particular joke in some Polish comedy sketch from the 70s (in one of the countless TV reruns that our national TV likes to do when they run out of anything new).
That's actually quite amazing, looks like 1970s Poland TV had very lax censorship rules.
Except it was about government structure instead of a corporation (autonomous local offices vs. centralized command). What I'm trying to say is, this joke is older than capitalism.
It should be noted (for those who don't and/or cannot remember it) that Poland/Czechoslovakia/Hungary/DDR/etc in the 70s and especially in the 80s was basically just a Dilbert Corporation. Although this is kinda non-PC today, because people think it's somehow "defending the communism" (because being Dilbert Corporation is apparently positive or something).
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@El_Heffe I mean, they already have the Panamera.
It looks off though, like two different cars were put together.
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@El_Heffe *discontinued GTC4Lusso noises*
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
That's actually quite amazing, looks like 1970s Poland TV had very lax censorship rules.
Censorship was loosened up from time to time to make public mood better. It was called 'security valve' (to let out the steam from people getting angry/mutinous).
There were also government friendly ("licensed") artists that were allowed to make fun of the situation a little (within well understood boundaries of course). Some of them now paint themselves as freedom fighters, which is hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
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It was called 'security valve'
Safety* valve.
Translating is hard. Don't even ask why English needs two different words for bezpieczeństwo.
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@cvi the bit that kills me is that what is old is new again. The web was always somewhat decentralised and then the social media juggernauts happened.
I've heard this particular joke in some Polish comedy sketch from the 70s (in one of the countless TV reruns that our national TV likes to do when they run out of anything new). Except it was about government structure instead of a corporation (autonomous local offices vs. centralized command). What I'm trying to say is, this joke is older than capitalism.
Could be. Has someone looked thru Gary Larson's stone age comics? He might have created one for the era of the Neandertals.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
That's actually quite amazing, looks like 1970s Poland TV had very lax censorship rules.
I do not think so. The rules were strict. But when your satire had some literary quality ("reading between the lines"), and you did not mention taboo words, you could say many things.
East german cabaret was great. Czechoslovakia produced funny films based on fairy tales.
The typical dumb "satire" of nowadays - just calling politicians dicks etc. - was not allowed. Actually, they were forced to produce high quality.
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@BernieTheBernie said in WTF Bites:
The typical dumb "satire" of nowadays - just calling politicians dicks etc. - was not allowed.
Not just satire - low effort anything was banned. Censorship was just as much about the right politics as it was about upholding quality standards. And as much as it pains me to say, it worked.
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Translating is hard. Don't even ask why English needs two different words for bezpieczeństwo.
It puzzles me more why so many languages conflate such obviously different concepts
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Don't even ask why English needs two different words for bezpieczeństwo.
Because “safety” is about dealing with unintentional failures whereas “security” is more about dealing with intentional failures.
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Don't even ask why English needs two different words for bezpieczeństwo.
Because “safety” is about dealing with unintentional failures whereas “security” is more about dealing with intentional failures.
Can we have some other language pedants chime in on this? I'd like some second opinions.
Because that sounds like a very nice explanation that I'll want to remember if it's deemed to be correct.
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Translating is hard. Don't even ask why English needs two different words for bezpieczeństwo.
It puzzles me more why so many languages conflate such obviously different concepts
.What? You have different words in Czech?
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@BernieTheBernie No, we don't. But I've already been in some discussion (concerning software) where the distinction mattered.
… because safety-critical software and security-critical software require very different approaches and since we encounter some of both in our company, so sometimes you need to clarify which you are talking about.
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@Bulb Same here - "Sicherheit" in german for both cases. But with my cow-orkers, no differentiation is need: they don't care anyway.
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@topspin I’m certainly in the category of linguistic conservationist when it comes to language drift and I’d back up that explanation because that’s where the separation should be even if various people insist on trying to redefine things “for security”.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
That's actually quite amazing, looks like 1970s Poland TV had very lax censorship rules.
Censorship was loosened up from time to time to make public mood better. It was called 'security valve' (to let out the steam from people getting angry/mutinous).
There were also government friendly ("licensed") artists that were allowed to make fun of the situation a little (within well understood boundaries of course). Some of them now paint themselves as freedom fighters, which is hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
Yes, but message saying management (== state officials) do random things just pretend that they actually have any plan is way, way beyond the usual line.
Of course, this often happened not at the usual bureaucratic level, but by the action of some higher-up. For example, one film with Louis de Funès set in 17th century Spain was banned simply because of the line "I don't need to know anything, I'm a minister!" (and that was after the full dub was done and finished).
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even if various people insist on trying to redefine things “for security”.
If you mean social security, that redefinition happened almost 100 years ago. A bit late to stop it now.
Hold on... Was Social Security Act redefining security, or did security get redefined after Social Security Act got passed, making it sound wrong but actually it wasn't at the time?
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@Kamil-Podlesak I am reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX45hc0aZt0
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@Gąska I meant the more general behaviour in English to abuse “security” far beyond its logical or literal scope, in reference to “security” vs “safety”.
In the specific case of “social security” I could even start to argue this supports the notion by implicitly concluding that the welfare system is a necessity because capitalism is fundamentally flawed and that it isn’t a safety net against unexpected circumstances but I could see that getting very
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
That's actually quite amazing, looks like 1970s Poland TV had very lax censorship rules.
Censorship was loosened up from time to time to make public mood better. It was called 'security valve' (to let out the steam from people getting angry/mutinous).
There were also government friendly ("licensed") artists that were allowed to make fun of the situation a little (within well understood boundaries of course). Some of them now paint themselves as freedom fighters, which is hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
Yes, but message saying management (== state officials) do random things just pretend that they actually have any plan is way, way beyond the usual line.
It was framed as a conversation between two guys, one of them saying "look, I'll teach you how to be a successful reformer". Never outright saying that it's stupid.
Bareja's locally-famous movie Bear, on the other hand, was so on the nose it's a miracle he wasn't arrested for directing it. And that miracle is called Solidarity strikes of August 1980.
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even if various people insist on trying to redefine things “for security”.
If you mean social security, that redefinition happened almost 100 years ago. A bit late to stop it now.
Hold on... Was Social Security Act redefining security, or did security get redefined after Social Security Act got passed, making it sound wrong but actually it wasn't at the time?I thing the second - AFAIK these two words used to be almost synonymous and used interchangeably. IMHO it was just another case of "posh" word of french origin versus "working-class" word (also of french origin, but well hidden).
Btw: if you look at etymology, "safe" should actually mean "injury-free", while "secure" actually mean "worry-free". Which actually matches lots of the usual cases, including "social security" (because unemployed should not have worry too much, but still can get injured freely) and "workplace safety" (because employees should not get injured, but in many management theories they should worry
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
That's actually quite amazing, looks like 1970s Poland TV had very lax censorship rules.
Censorship was loosened up from time to time to make public mood better. It was called 'security valve' (to let out the steam from people getting angry/mutinous).
There were also government friendly ("licensed") artists that were allowed to make fun of the situation a little (within well understood boundaries of course). Some of them now paint themselves as freedom fighters, which is hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
Yes, but message saying management (== state officials) do random things just pretend that they actually have any plan is way, way beyond the usual line.
It was framed as a conversation between two guys, one of them saying "look, I'll teach you how to be a successful reformer". Never outright saying that it's stupid.
OMG! That's, like, ten times worse! No reform is needed, everything is perfect as it is!
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@Kamil-Podlesak you'd think so but Polish People's Republic was reforming left and right basically the entire time. Polish socialists were never ideologically pure, at least not after Uncle Joseph's death.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in WTF Bites:
as banned simply because of the line "I don't need to know anything, I'm a minister!"
I heard such a story also from a GDR cabaret. They got a second chance to show their fresh program to the censors, after it had failed. They did so by changing exactly one word only: the title of one specific overlord. And succeeded.
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Status: fucking Sharepoint.
Okay, so there's an arbitrary limit of 5000 items in a "view" for a list, because hard I guess.
Okay, sure. So then limit it, I expect no more than a dozen entries anyways...
Guess what doesn't happen when I click OK?
If you guessed "Cannot display because greater than 5k items!" I have a jar of dirt you just won from me.
