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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
It has security hole written all over it.
The car remains locked and should someone still get inside and try to drive the car without the keys it won't let them.
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If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
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@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
It has security hole written all over it.
The car remains locked and should someone still get inside and try to drive the car without the keys it won't let them.
Since a fairly simple radio repeater has been used to overcome such issues before, in have my doubts.
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@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
Since a fairly simple radio repeater has been used to overcome such issues before, in have my doubts.
So the worst case is that it's no worse than needing the key to start. Especially if someone's left the key in the car in order to warm it up (like @boomzilla said).
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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
Usually a remote start will turn off after about 10 minutes.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
Usually a remote start will turn off after about 10 minutes.
No. I do the sensible thing and don't buy stupid things.
Was blakey an AEM developer? On the version I was on, if you didn't strip out \r's the page wouldn't render.
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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
Usually a remote start will turn off after about 10 minutes.
No. I do the sensible thing and don't buy stupid things.
OK but a car with remote start is a wonderful thing in the winter and the summer. Maybe you're confusing this with stuff like Teslas requiring you to control your car with your phone?
Was blakey an AEM developer? On the version I was on, if you didn't strip out \r's the page wouldn't render.
I don't know what AEM is.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
Usually a remote start will turn off after about 10 minutes.
No. I do the sensible thing and don't buy stupid things.
OK but a car with remote start is a wonderful thing in the winter and the summer. Maybe you're confusing this with stuff like Teslas requiring you to control your car with your phone?
Was blakey an AEM developer? On the version I was on, if you didn't strip out \r's the page wouldn't render.
I don't know what AEM is.
Always Eating Money. The official software product of Elon Musk's brain children
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
I don't know what AEM is.
The A is for Adobe, if you want to know how shit it is.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
You can't put a null in a filename because filenames are null-terminated in system calls.
Linebreaks may be fair game. They're not even the most evil legal option. Escape sequences are far worse.
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@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
I don't know what AEM is.
The A is for Adobe, if you want to know how shit it is.
If that's not enough, the other two words are Experience and Manager.
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@dkf said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
You can't put a null in a filename because filenames are null-terminated in system calls.
I'm pretty sure any byte sequence is a valid file name as long as it does not contain NUL and is less than 255 bytes. It does not need to be in any particular character set and can contain any control character you like (or hate)
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@PleegWat pretty sure
/
is not allowed.
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@topspin Right, of course. I blame switching between paths and filenames halfway through writing the post.
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
I'm pretty sure any byte sequence is a valid file name as long as it does not contain NUL and is less than 255 bytes.
This depends on your filesystem.
NTFS is not UTF-8 but UTF-16 (pretty sure it's actual UTF-16 and not UCS-2 at this point) which is quite strict about byte sequences. UTF-8 is too but there's more combinations of validity in UTF-8.
NTFS also restricts what characters you can use; it's namespaced between Win API and POSIX.. Win API restricts use of
/\:*"?<>|
plusNUL
while POSIX only restricts use of/
andNUL
. Also trailing spaces are not allowed.On top of that, the limits on path length are funky; 255 is only a restriction left for legacy compatibility; the filesystem itself supports 64K length paths - and even then it's not 255 bytes but characters, even accounting for UTF-16.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
Usually a remote start will turn off after about 10 minutes.
No. I do the sensible thing and don't buy stupid things.
OK but a car with remote start is a wonderful thing in the winter and the summer. Maybe you're confusing this with stuff like Teslas requiring you to control your car with your phone?
I see where you're coming from but there's just something about a wireless on/off switch for a three ton box that can move at over 60mph that doesn't sit well with me.
I have no idea what Tesla are up too but that sentence has put the frighteners on me.
Was blakey an AEM developer? On the version I was on, if you didn't strip out \r's the page wouldn't render.
I don't know what AEM is.
You'll live a longer happier life not knowing.
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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
I see where you're coming from but there's just something about a wireless on/off switch for a three ton box that can move at over 60mph that doesn't sit well with me.
The remote start is done from the key and once you've started the car as normal and driven off can't just remotely stop the engine.
That's what made Toyota's subscription especially stupid - you needed it for a function that involves the key talking to the car directly.
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@izzion said in Internet of shit:
@topspin
Also, there's the pinning effect - you want to set a Kickstarter low enough that it's sure to fill and generate buzz. Preferably with vague hints regarding stretch goals and extra rewards for greatly exceeding the goal. And then when you overpromise on the stretch goals, you just ghost and people figure it was just another TypicalKickstarter(tm) anyway.Yup, a typical board game Kickstarter (main thing I buy there) is around $20k, but then they'll have stretch goals that go to at least $50k, because that's the actual breakeven point. (Or maybe the point-where-we-actually-make-a-little-money.)
Side note: the guy who made the Defense Grid board game spent two years working on the design, making prototypes, refining the game, and generally mucking about. He made a grand total profit of about $20k on the price of manufacturing the game. As far as money-for-effort goes, it was pretty much a dead loss. As a completely unsurprising coda, I did not get the upgraded miniatures (one of the stretch goals), because the guy decided he was done flushing money down the toilet.
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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
I see where you're coming from but there's just something about a wireless on/off switch for a three ton box that can move at over 60mph that doesn't sit well with me.
Good, because that's.... not what Remote Start is?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
I see where you're coming from but there's just something about a wireless on/off switch for a three ton box that can move at over 60mph that doesn't sit well with me.
Good, because that's.... not what Remote Start is?
Remote start sounds suspiciously like wireless on button.
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@DogsB For the engine, right? Not to put the transmission into gear?
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@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB For the engine, right? Not to put the transmission into gear?
Maybe?
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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB For the engine, right? Not to put the transmission into gear?
Maybe?
There's what it's intended to do, and what it can also do because the software is crap.
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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB For the engine, right? Not to put the transmission into gear?
Maybe?
That's different functionality though.
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB For the engine, right? Not to put the transmission into gear?
Maybe?
There's what it's intended to do, and what it can also do because the software is crap.
If there is no wireless hardware, it's a lot harder to do nefarious stuff wirelessly.
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@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@Gurth said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB For the engine, right? Not to put the transmission into gear?
Maybe?
There's what it's intended to do, and what it can also do because the software is crap.
If there is no wireless hardware, it's a lot harder to do nefarious stuff wirelessly.
I hereby challenge anyone to "hack" my truck to turn off wirelessly. I have an extremely predictable route regularly timed and am well versed in how to control suddenly inoperable devices.
I'll be waiting.
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@Tsaukpaetra NNEMP should do the trick. Of course, it might have some collateral effects.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra NNEMP should do the trick. Of course, it might have some collateral effects.
BTDT, but I have a feeling that's not what's being talked about here since you don't really need a wireless radio function do implement it.....
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
BTDT
you don't really need a wireless radio function
Who said anything about radio? You were talking about turning your truck off without wires. EMP don't need no steenkin' wires.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
BTDT
This is @Tsaukpaetra we're talking about. I'm not particularly surprised.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
Who said anything about radio?
Welcome to the conversation! Here's some highlights:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
a wireless on/off switch
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
a car with remote start
@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
a fairly simple radio repeater
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Welcome to the conversation! Here's some highlights:
Yeah, but your challenge was simply:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
I hereby challenge anyone to "hack" my truck to turn off wirelessly.
My proposed "hack" would turn off your truck and didn't involve wires.
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Bonus points for being able to Remote Start it after!
Your challenge didn't say anything about working afterward.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
I hereby challenge anyone to "hack" my truck to turn off wirelessly.
Hey if you can turn off my truck with lights I'd even accept that. Maybe.
Bonus points for being able to Remote Start it after!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Bonus points for being able to Remote Start it after!
Mission creep...
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@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
If they can remote start, can it be remotely turned off? It still seems questionable to me.
Do you also stay awake at night worrying that someone has made a filename with linebreaks or nulls or whatever silly thing @blakeyrat used to whine about?
Usually a remote start will turn off after about 10 minutes.
No. I do the sensible thing and don't buy stupid things.
OK but a car with remote start is a wonderful thing in the winter and the summer. Maybe you're confusing this with stuff like Teslas requiring you to control your car with your phone?
I see where you're coming from but there's just something about a wireless on/off switch for a three ton box that can move at over 60mph that doesn't sit well with me.
I have no idea what Tesla are up too but that sentence has put the frighteners on me.
Was blakey an AEM developer? On the version I was on, if you didn't strip out \r's the page wouldn't render.
I don't know what AEM is.
We all go through this blissful period of child-like ignorance
You'll live a longer happier life not knowing.
If you gaze long enough into an AEM, the AEM will gaze back into you.
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@dkf said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Bonus points for being able to Remote Start it after!
Mission creep...
In modern parlance we call them stretch goals!
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@dkf said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Bonus points for being able to Remote Start it after!
Mission creep...
Considering what most of us do, we should be very familiar with that. And the fact that it's still supposed to be delivered by the same date as before the creep.
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@dcon wait something that isn't that happens somewhere in the world? I just assumed that was how the world worked, that everyone lied to each other about expected completion dates etc.
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@dcon said in Internet of shit:
@dkf said in Internet of shit:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Bonus points for being able to Remote Start it after!
Mission creep...
Considering what most of us do, we should be very familiar with that. And the fact that it's still supposed to be delivered by the same date as before the creep.
I thought you were supposed to avoid dates when creeps were involved.
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I always knew my faucet didn't have enough blockchain, but no longer shall I suffer!
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@HannibalRex Oh please let them have screwed up and made that monitor not water proof!
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@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
It has security hole written all over it.
The car remains locked and should someone still get inside and try to drive the car without the keys it won't let them.
Since a fairly simple radio repeater has been used to overcome such issues before, in have my doubts.
No longer possible with newer systems - they are all doing Time Of Flight measuring now. So if the response to the challenge doesn't come within a time window which indicates that they key is physically located close by it'll reject the command.
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@Rhywden said in Internet of shit:
@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@loopback0 said in Internet of shit:
@DogsB said in Internet of shit:
It has security hole written all over it.
The car remains locked and should someone still get inside and try to drive the car without the keys it won't let them.
Since a fairly simple radio repeater has been used to overcome such issues before, in have my doubts.
No longer possible with newer systems - they are all doing Time Of Flight measuring now. So if the response to the challenge doesn't come within a time window which indicates that they key is physically located close by it'll reject the command.
You'd think so, with such countermeasures being a decade old, at least, but no. There are still a fair number of new cars that are vulnerable.
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@HannibalRex said in Internet of shit:
I always knew my faucet didn't have enough blockchain, but no longer shall I suffer!
Source pic was four years ago?
https://www.reddit.com/r/softwaregore/comments/6s4uuf/just_wanted_to_wash_my_hands/
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
Source pic was four years ago?
Network-connected taps were just as unncessary then as they are now.
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@Tsaukpaetra It seems I have been deceived by a repost, but at least I wasn't in another thread!
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The suggestion came after the girl asked Alexa for a "challenge to do".
"Plug in a phone charger about halfway into a wall outlet, then touch a penny to the exposed prongs," the smart speaker said.
I think Alexa might be a 4chan user.
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@blek said in Internet of shit:
The suggestion came after the girl asked Alexa for a "challenge to do".
"Plug in a phone charger about halfway into a wall outlet, then touch a penny to the exposed prongs," the smart speaker said.
I think Alexa might be a 4chan user.
This is why European plugs don't have fully metal prongs. Assuming conforming plugs and sockets are used (and I don't think selling anything else is legal) the metal part of the prongs is completely covered by the socket before they contact mains voltage.
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@blek is being able to reach the metal parts of the pins while they are touching the contacts inside the socket.
Oh, ’d, I see.
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Even with fully exposed metal prongs, wouldn't you have a 50/50 chance to just trigger the fuse? I.e., if the penny connects to neutral before touching the live one, there might be some arcing, but you'd essentially just short the socket.
Also ... why specifically a phone charger?