WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
No mention of ownership, no mention of control
The article said:
The option to create a Windows login via an online account is great. The requirement to do so is an unacceptable intrusion into what’s supposed to be the user’s personal computer. I am uninterested in joining the Greater Microsoft Data Conglomerate in any capacity beyond the level I’m already forced to participate in and I’m will not reward what I view as borderline abusive behavior with compliance. Companies that intend to treat your data ethically do not grasp for it like a slobbering ambulance chaser.
According to Satya Nadella, “Windows has always stood for sovereignty for creators and agency for consumers.” Maybe it did once. Today, “agency for consumers” appears to mean “agency for consumers, so long as they make Microsoft-approved choices, use Microsoft services and products, do not wish to delay updates, and do not mind their PCs rebooting out from under them without warning.”
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit he's right for all the wrong reasons. "Muh PC! Internet not me, me is PC and internet not PC! <incoherent schreeching>" isn't logical reasoning. Neither is "they want me so badly to use it so I refuse to use it because I can". But there exists one very simple logical reason not to do it: what happens when the online account is locked/deleted for whatever reason?
It's for the same reason why I'll never buy Oculus despite currently being the best price-to-performance offer on the VR market by far. You say one wrong thing on FB and all your devices are bricked.
So what OS do you run on your smartphone? Since it clearly isn't iOS or android.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit he's right for all the wrong reasons. "Muh PC! Internet not me, me is PC and internet not PC! <incoherent schreeching>" isn't logical reasoning. Neither is "they want me so badly to use it so I refuse to use it because I can". But there exists one very simple logical reason not to do it: what happens when the online account is locked/deleted for whatever reason?
It's for the same reason why I'll never buy Oculus despite currently being the best price-to-performance offer on the VR market by far. You say one wrong thing on FB and all your devices are bricked.
So what OS do you run on your smartphone?
One that doesn't get bricked when the associated account is suspected to use a fake name.
Since it clearly isn't iOS or android.
I have no idea what you had to do to get your iPhone locked from yourself.
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Just ran into this bug:
Basically...no screenshots (even partial ones) until this gets fixed. Unless I want to dig around in the archived version.
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I wonder if the people who reported that bug to MS were asked to include a screenshot of the error message.
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@Zerosquare I mean, you're not supposed to use Snipping Tool anyway...
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Except the shortcut that's mentioned in your screenshot appears to be broken as well:
“Win + Shift + s doesn’t do anything. On opening the app from search a message pops up saying “A problem with Windows is preventing Screen Snipping from opening. Refreshing your PC might help fix it. Everything is up-to-date,” another user noted.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare I mean, you're not supposed to use Snipping Tool anyway...
I tried snip & sketch, and it's not as nice for a quick screen grab in my opinion, but I guess that's in line with the ux work if the last decade, make the UI worse.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare I mean, you're not supposed to use Snipping Tool anyway...
Predictably new tool needs more clicks to make a screenshot, is awkward to use and has ugly animations for no reason (which you can't turn off).
MS sometimes stumbles and releases something practical and easy to use, that Just Works. But they never fail to fuck it up royally later, you have to give that to them.
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@MrL they have elevated it to an art form.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Just ran into this bug:
Basically...no screenshots (even partial ones) until this gets fixed. Unless I want to dig around in the archived version.
You could turn off "Use Snipping Tool" in Settings and use the traditional screen capture.
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@Parody wait what? They hijacked PrtScr for launching snipping tool? Motherfuckers.
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I tried snip & sketch, and it's not as nice for a quick screen grab in my opinion
I might be tempted to use it if, after WIN+SHIFT+S, it would display the capture in a window to keep around, because that's like 90% of my use cases for Snipping Tool (e. g. I'd take a snip of the variable values in the debugger and keep it around until the next run / step / whatever to compare).
Apart from that keyboard short cut (which is just a teeny bit more convenient then WIN-"SNIP"-RETURN), I don't see any improvement over the old Snipping Tool, the window (when opened normally) is obnoxiously big, and somehow it apparently needs a Privacy Statement...
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody wait what? They hijacked PrtScr for launching snipping tool? Motherfuckers.
It's an option, yeah. They stuck it down in the
AccessibilityEase of Access settings with Sticky Keys and such.
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@ixvedeusi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Snipping Tool (e. g. I'd take a snip of the variable values in the debugger and keep it around until the next run / step / whatever to compare).
I feel so validated.
Well, as much is possible considering the crowd.
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While on the subject, is there a way to configure it so it doesn't clobber the clipboard?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody wait what? They hijacked PrtScr for launching snipping tool? Motherfuckers.
Not by default.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
is there a way to configure it so it doesn't clobber the clipboard?
Not sure what exactly it does, the wording implies that it will still sometimes clobber the clipboard...
Also for me that was unchecked already, not sure if I did that or if it's unchecked by default.
Snip & Sketch seems to have a similar option.
(Ironically, I had to use Snip & Sketch to take that screen shot because I couldn't take a screen shot with Snipping Tool while its options dialog was open)
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@ixvedeusi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Not sure what exactly it does, the wording implies that it will still sometimes clobber the clipboard...
Also for me that was unchecked already, not sure if I did that or if it's unchecked by default.
I never use either one and the equivalent option was enabled in both, FWIW.
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@ixvedeusi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
is there a way to configure it so it doesn't clobber the clipboard?
Not sure what exactly it does, the wording implies that it will still sometimes clobber the clipboard...
You can click the copy button and then it clobbers on demand.
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@ixvedeusi Sorry, I should have specified I meant Snip & Sketch.
That one copies to the clipboard from the moment I select the area to screenshoot.
@ixvedeusi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Snip & Sketch seems to have a similar option.
I can't find it. It does have this:
but it does say "when annotating". By then it has already copied the unadulterated image.
Edit to add: this is on Windows 10, not 11. No idea about 11.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
but it does say "when annotating". By then it has already copied the unadulterated image.
Ah, oh well that's the one I meant; I didn't read the fine print, my interest for Snip & Sketch is severely limited. But I do stand by my claim that this "seems to [be] a similar option" so CLOSED_WONTFIX_
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@Carnage A lot of my screenshotting is for things I'm seeing in a web browser. For those, I recently discovered the "take screenshot" feature in firefox's context menu.
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@PleegWat said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
For those, I recently discovered the "take screenshot" feature in firefox's context menu.
I recently discovered this too, but out of habit still end up hitting Print Screen and pasting it into Paint like a savage.
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@loopback0 :thisistheway.png:
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I feel like this is going to break my workflows which are either:
- Start snipping tool from taskbar
- Click new
- Click and drag area
- Switch to Discord/Slack as appropriate
- Paste with stupid comment
Or,
- Start snipping tool from taskbar
- Click new
- Click and drag area
- Switch to Photoshop
- Ctrl-N
- Click the ok button
- Ctrl-V
- Hold Alt while scrolling to check whatever it is I wanted to see up close
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Hold Alt while scrolling to check whatever it is I wanted to see up close
++ to start Magnifier.
+Esc to close it.Edit: again, Windows 10. I don't know if it's there in 11.
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@Zecc TIL. Works quite differently from what I remember in XP.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Just ran into this bug:
Basically...no screenshots (even partial ones) until this gets fixed. Unless I want to dig around in the archived version.
Did it also break Win + PrtScr?
Because that's supposed to save a screenshot into
<User>\Pictures\Screenshots\
, and it might work without the snipping tool.
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@Zecc that’s not really what I want in that workflow. I go more for “let me zoom in so I can check the number of pixels distance between things”
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
going to break my workflows which
Win-s, switch to Discord, Ctrl-v ?
It's too bad the pixel coordinates are not in any of the screenshot tools.
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@Tsaukpaetra Well, Win+shift+S might solve the first couple of steps in the workflow (because I didn’t know about it before today, hence pinning Snipping Tool to the taskbar) but this all just sounds like I should stay on 10 to me…
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I feel like this is going to break my workflows which are either:
- Start snipping tool from taskbar
- Click new
- Click and drag area
- Switch to
Discord/Slack as appropriateTDWTF - Paste with stupid comment
Your workflow is almost correct.
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@HardwareGeek I don’t post the memes here, I let everyone else do that because y’all have the better memes.
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@HardwareGeek The thing was--I actually posted that when I couldn't snip out (and then edit for anonymity) a facebook post I was going to put here in the garage. Because there were some really dumb statements I wanted to point at and say , but that isn't politic on FB these days.
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My work laptop upgraded itself automatically this morning. So far, I am ... unimpressed.
It just said it needed to reboot within the next few days, but I know from experience that it would reboot on its own tonight if I didn't take action, so I decided now was as good a time as any for a reboot. I didn't know it was an upgrade that would take 2 hours and disrupt my entire day when I'm facing a deadline, rather than a simple patch that would take a few minutes.
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@ixvedeusi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I might be tempted to use it if, after WIN+SHIFT+S, it would display the capture in a window to keep around, because that's like 90% of my use cases for Snipping Tool (e. g. I'd take a snip of the variable values in the debugger and keep it around until the next run / step / whatever to compare).
Did they break that in Windows 11? In 10 it pops up a notification which you can click for a full window with whatever. I use that all the time in a similar way to what you described
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody wait what? They hijacked PrtScr for launching snipping tool? Motherfuckers.
Not by default.
There's an "auto copy to clipboard" setting that's on by default, but turning it off doesn't stop it from doing it anyway
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@Zecc TIL about win+esc to close the magnifier. But I never used it anyway
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else::
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@Zerosquare are they actively trying to get rid of users through broken shit? I'll happily swap my gaming computer over to Linux of they break shit like this with a forced update.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Personalized Menus in Office were pretty well panned. I would have thought they'd remember that, but I imagine there are now developers at Microsoft who never had to deal with them.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I imagine there are now
developersmanagers at Microsoft whonever had to deal with it.INOWASHOON FUH FUH PERFONALIFED FUH FUH CLOUD AI AY AY
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prioritizing the most commonly-used options to appear as icons at the top of the list.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
prioritizing the most commonly-used options to appear as icons at the top of the list.
Can you imagine your cheese moving every few days? Good thing we're all mice who enjoy searching for food....
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
prioritizing the most commonly-used options to appear as icons at the top of the list.
Yup.
Apparently what they've done is completely replace the context menu with one using the current look that only shows the options Windows adds and a "Show More" option to show the old one. No idea if the "Quick Access" icons come from both or just the new one. (I miss having a bleeding edge Insider build VM.)
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Windows 11 Home will now require both internet access and a Microsoft account
I predict a big surge in pirated copies of Windows 11 Pro.
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It doesn't mean the Pro version won't require it as well. Windows 10 "Pro" offers little more control than the Home version.
If you're gonna pirate, get the Enterprise version
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It doesn't mean the Pro version won't require it as well.
It doesn't require it currently.