WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@topspin the PNG format was invented pre-Agile so such things were out of requirement scope because they insisted on such things back then.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska what about right to left?
Who would ever want that? Be reasonable.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gąska what about right to left?
Who would ever want that? Be reasonable.
How about having the original creators make an animated version that the entire industry will reject for a slightly different one that breaks the spec?
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@Parody Because the one that "breaks the spec" decays to a perfectly cromulent non-animated image when animation support isn't available (and also doesn't actually break the spec), and the one by the original creators decays to an unrecoverable error.
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Not only that but the other one is also subject to the problem of being rather merciless.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Nothing should display PNGs in that color format; PNG only supports RGB.
I believe you can put colour profiles in PNG. It's just that the decoders will probably ignore them as most programmers have no idea what to do with them… unless you make them a mandatory extension in which case they'll just refuse to display anything. (PNG is a complicated container format, but at least it doesn't have a standard way to include javascript.)
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
(PNG is a complicated container format, but at least it doesn't have a standard way to include javascript.)
:homer-simpson-not-yet-meme.jspng:
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
PNG is a complicated container format, but at least it doesn't have a standard way to include javascript.)
Huh? I don't see anything particularly complicated there (nor that it's really a container). 8 bytes of compatibility hacks followed by a number of the rather basic length-type-data-checksum chunks until the magic
IEND
chunk or end of file, whichever comes frist. Looks very reasonable to me.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I don't see anything particularly complicated there (nor that it's really a container).
It's when you get into the details that it becomes complicated. Firstly, there's the encoding of the status of chunks in the capitalization of the chunk name. Then there's the support for custom chunks. And some of the chunks have non-trivial internal structure. I'm not aware of anyone having defined a way to put a PNG inside a PNG () but I don't exactly spend my days following all the crazy stuff that people think of in image formats. But I do know that there's ways to encode the color profile and that that's often completely ignored.
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@dkf I know that when I open a PNG in GIMP, it sometimes asks whether I want to keep the embedded color profile or convert it to GIMP's default. So there is a way to encode it, and at least some programs notice it. (The only ones I recall seeing are either sRGB or some variation on that, not CYMK, HSL, YIQ, or other oddball formats.)
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The only ones I recall seeing are either sRGB or some variation on that, not CYMK, HSL, YIQ, or other oddball formats.
ICC profiles are supported in the format (
iCCP
chunk). Apparently.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Nothing should display PNGs in that color format; PNG only supports RGB.
I believe you can put colour profiles in PNG. It's just that the decoders will probably ignore them as most programmers have no idea what to do with them… unless you make them a mandatory extension in which case they'll just refuse to display anything. (PNG is a complicated container format, but at least it doesn't have a standard way to include javascript.)
Device color profiles are different from what color model is used to store the color data. You use CMYK colors so that you get exactly those colors on the final output device, even if they're wrong. A given RGB color can map to a bunch of CMYK colors, and your RIP will probably pick the one that uses the least ink because the default output media was set to newsprint 20 years ago and nobody wants to delve into the S̶e̓̄͂̄̆͐t̝̦̮̳̓͜t̞̳͒̀́i̞͗̌̌ͣ̅ͪ͡n͚̦͕̉̃̃͟g̩̦͉̣͛͢s̖͉̬̻͇̭͗͢ ̝̰ͬͨ̋̓͜M͉̮̱̩̗̉a̶͔͇͕̳̯̜̭n͉̗ͧͩͩ͟ ͦ̀ͩ͒̚W̱̙̘̄̃͆̎̀͡a̳̻̬͇͉͕͑ͤ̉͛͡s̭̠͙̭̫ͮ̾ͤ̎ͥͯ ̸̙͌͊N̗̦͍̞̱̝̪̊ͣͣ̉̏̃̍̕o͕̊ͣ̈ͧ̆t͒̓̅ͩ ̢̰ͣ͑̄̊̊͌Me͇̖̩͖̤ͣ͐͆͞a̘̫̠͕̟ͭ͛̀͐̍̀n̢̗͌̈̐͛̄t̥̣͚͍͗̆̑̇̊͐̎ͅ ͓̱̔͒̑̒̈͝ͅT͇̗̪̳̟̫ͦ͜ơ̰̖̿̈́ ͖̯̲͈̣̳̓C̠͎̥̗̫̮͌ͥ̾ͮ͂͋ǫ̩̗̝ͫͯ͗̿̆m̿ͪ̅͏̬̣p̠͂͌͆̎̇̌ͩ̀r̖̜͕̯̩̻͗ͯ́e̘ͣ̔̾̍͗͆hẹ̫̬̉͋ň̙̻͍̊̅d̬̠͕͕͔̻̼͊͂̋ͩ̓ͭ.
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Sure... Let's just move all the elements to the side. Instead of clicking "...", "Downloads and updates" to check for updates. Let's see... <click>no<click>no. "Library", oh there it is.
Edit: What I really like about this?
Win10: "Let's move all the controls from the top to the side"
Win11: Hold my beer.
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@dcon Win11:
Hold my beer.Except the taskbar. No one uses two-plus layers of RDPManager anyway, right?
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@Medinoc my personal record is 4, but I know folks who’ve had to do up to 15 to navigate stupid network “security” provisions.
Fortunately those places aren’t bleeding edge…
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
up to 15
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@Zecc think janky hospital IT where for “security” different things get isolated in different networks and it becomes a maze of “I need to get to there, what systems do I have to use as jump stations?”
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@Medinoc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon Win11:
Hold my beer.Except the taskbar.
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@dcon Ah. Sorry for the then.
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@TimeBandit what an oddly specific percentage.
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Status: Checking into one of my sleeper PCs, it was being a little sluggish of the services it was running and reporting a load of over 8.
Logging in I can't access the Start Menu because the taskbar has frozen (and, actually, the Teamviewer app has also frozen). Trying to get to Settings App sneakily, and...
Wat.
Tell it through Task Manager to shutdown -r -t 0 for shits and giggles. Get disconnected but.... it isn't rebooting. Connect again and...
I... really don't want to embark on this adventure at this point...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I... really don't want to embark on this adventure at this point...
No, no nonononono, someone stop me!
There's no way this can go wrong....
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@Tsaukpaetra
wait ... that isn't going to cut it ...
now we're set!
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Honestly, I'm torn between "I should reboot @Tsaukpaetra and his computer before it's too late" and "I want to see the aftermath".
EDIT: meh, "11 hours ago". It's already too late. @Luhmann, do you have some popcorn left?
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@Zerosquare
it's getting stale due the lack of update anyway ...
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare
it's getting stale due the lack of update anyway ...
Everything went fine. The only remaining problem is apparently the USB 3.0 disk enclosure has dropped to USB 1.0 half duplex mode and I get roughly 2mbps bandwidth to it, but that will probably resolve when I fuck it to sleep this coming Tuesday.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
that will probably resolve when I fuck it to sleep this coming Tuesday.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
that will probably resolve when I fuck it to sleep this coming Tuesday.
Well I don't want to remotely put it to sleep as I'm not confident the people there will be able to wake it up...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I fuck it to sleep
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@Tsaukpaetra Mine went thru that ok. But I did apply the 20H2 update before the Cumulative Update rolled in...
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Microsoft might finally beat Adobe
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@El_Heffe I've once had Flash updater go up to 2,000,000,000%. Then go into negatives.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Everything went fine.
The only remaining problem is
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One more reason to use Edge
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My work Windows 10 desktop caught the latest update and it seems to have broken IE Mode in Edge, which luckily I was only testing on something and it's not actually critical.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Windows 10 desktop caught the latest update and it seems to have broken
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Ugh. First my main docking station died (currently using my customer provided station for my company laptop). Now Windows is derping about the resolution on one of the monitors. Previous tricks (switch resolution + revert, restart) aren't having an effecty.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Ugh. First my main docking station died (currently using my customer provided station for my company laptop). Now Windows is derping about the resolution on one of the monitors. Previous tricks (switch resolution + revert, restart) aren't having an effecty.
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Opened up the "Intel display fuckity fuck" whatever and it was claiming that the monitor was at 59Hz, contradicting Windows, which said 60Hz (60Hz is what the monitor wants). Now it works.
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Ranting for a difference of one hertz? You've got your chances for the 2021 BlakeyRat Award.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Ranting for a difference of one hertz? You've got your chances for the 2021 BlakeyRat Award.
That's how I get ubuntu to turn the 27" monitor back on after screen-lock/timeout. Switch to 59, Confirm? No, revert. Monitor magically works again. (Or wiggle the mouse. Wait till the screen blacks one. Wiggle again. 2nd monitor starts working.)
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Ranting for a difference of one hertz? You've got your chances for the 2021 BlakeyRat Award.
That's how I get ubuntu to turn the 27" monitor back on after screen-lock/timeout. Switch to 59, Confirm? No, revert. Monitor magically works again. (Or wiggle the mouse. Wait till the screen blacks one. Wiggle again. 2nd monitor starts working.)
Yeah, those tricks do not work on this particular monitor I shoved in a corner. That one often crashes when going to sleep, so badly that you can't even "turn it R off and on again" with the power button but must completely remove power from it.
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The power of your Technology Distortion Field keeps amazing me.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The power of your Technology Distortion Field keeps amazing me.
I'm already beginning to infect others here. Some random in India is emailing me that I should update my WiFi drivers, but in four round trips has failed to indicate which computer he's talking about, either by name, ticket number, MAC address, anything at all!
This last round I got a generalization of range of models of could be. Gee thanks!
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Status: Windows 10 will tell you if a program is using your microphone. It looks like this:
This icon is never clicked (normally) and thus usually gets swept really quickly to the "other icons" drawer thing, out of sight, out of mind.
This is super handy (if you know about it) to know that the reason your bluetooth headphones aren't outputting any sound is that they've switched to "headset" mode because the fucking microphone is being accessed!
I forgot that at some point I was trying to figure out why Remote Desktop sound recording wasn't working and left the window open.
Windows dutifully switched my default mic to my headset, and since the Recording tab was selected, started "using" it to show the sound meter (mind you this was behind the other windows, I had moved on to bigger better things by then and only switched to it just now):
It's just too bad that clicking the Microphone icon just opens the Settings App, which does nothing at all to actually tell you or focus the application that's causing the ruckus:
No, you need to scroll down, change the list Sort By (because it's sorted by Name by default. ) and see that, oh wouldja look at that, the.... Rundll32 program is using the Microphone.
Fucking hell...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the fucking microphone is being accessed
No problem. I don't have a microphone connected to my desktop machine.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the fucking microphone is being accessed
No problem. I don't have a microphone connected to my desktop machine.
I normally don't either, but my Bluetooth headphones include one, and apparently cannot simultaneously output stereo sound while the microphone is being enabled (apparently the fault of Bluetooth being fucktarded).
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@Tsaukpaetra You need faststream to do high-quality audio and a microphone, otherwise yes, you end up with headset quality. Almost nothing supports faststream, though. Avantree has a few items that work well.
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No display after the latest windows update. Not even if I switch to the integrated card's output or a lower resolution monitor.
HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS STILL HAPPEN?
I have no patience to deal with this right now.
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I was quick to blame Windows updates because that's always a fun thing to do, but it might have been just a coincidence. In retrospect, the boot before starting the update there had been a BIOS complaint about a hardware change which didn't happen. I dealt with it by loading whatever previous configuration it had before and it had booted normally.
Today, after plugging in an HDMI cable to my discrete graphics card (as opposed to the DVI/HDMI cable it had before) I did have image output. On the motherboard's configuration screen I noticed the date was 1/1/2009 right after midnight. In Event Viewer the only odd thing I saw was, on Thursday already, time service was refusing to change the date because the difference was too big. I payed to attention to the date or time, so maybe it was wrong since then already? But then, how could I trust the date of the event? I guess Windows trusted more its time service than what the motherboard reported.
I find it strange a simple date change would have any impact on the ability to output graphics, so something else is afoot here, but just like I had no patience to deal with this yesterday, I don't have any to deal with this now. Specially if it's hardware related.
So I'm going to follow the ostrich/kneeling warthog methodology of troubleshooting until it happens again, or something explodes on my face or something.