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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
For those of you who don't know what wire-wrap is, it looks like this:
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@remi said in In other news today...:
Things that require much less work than a complete API, such as companies' logos (that a design studio billed you millions to design a new doesn't mean they actually worked to do it ), can be copyrighted.
Those sorts of things are usually not (meaningfully) copyrighted because it makes more sense to use trademarks or design patents.
The main thing for copyright to be meaningful is that it should involve some actual creative input, and just listing the API functions (together with types) is generally insufficient. However, if the API docs also include general descriptive text and examples then those may well be copyrightable; there are many ways they could have been written but someone had to actively choose to do it that way. Purely mechanically-generated descriptions are not copyrightable; don't just use the defaults for your doc comments if you want things to be protected.
APIs might still be protectable under rights that protect lists of things (such as phone books), but I don't think anyone's tried to do that so far and they may be not automatic so there's no risk from existing work suddenly getting restrictions applied by legal magic.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
The main thing for copyright to be meaningful is that it should involve some actual creative input, and just listing the API functions (together with types) is generally insufficient.
I agree that just listing existing API functions is probably not enough, but the actual creation of those API functions (choosing which ones to create and their names, regardless of their implementation) probably implies creative input. (I mean, that might not be the case if the API is for something so well established that everybody could do it, and would do it in the same way, but that's probably a very limited subset of APIs and not the kind being discussed here)
If I was making a cookbook that just list recipes' names (i.e. API function names, not their implementation), with the lists structured and curated in some specific way(s) (e.g. "recipes with(out) such and such ingredients", or "meal plan for a week" or other), I would expect that book to be copyrightable, because I'm putting some work into selecting which recipes I include and in which order etc. (and that's even ignoring the fact that to follow with the API analogy I would be the one who have created the recipes, not just listed them!)
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@remi said in In other news today...:
If I was making a cookbook that just list recipes' names (i.e. API function names, not their implementation), with the lists structured and curated in some specific way(s) (e.g. "recipes with(out) such and such ingredients", or "meal plan for a week" or other), I would expect that book to be copyrightable, because I'm putting some work into selecting which recipes I include and in which order etc. (and that's even ignoring the fact that to follow with the API analogy I would be the one who have created the recipes, not just listed them!)
This sort of thing is one of the reasons why recipe books often have some extra text per recipe; that's the definitely copyrightable part.
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@dkf Fair enough. The point remains that it's not obvious to me that an API should not be copyrightable (which is a different question as saying that it shouldn't be copyable, as the ruling proved!).
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@topspin Toby Faire, they've probably got a use case (and customers) for that sort of thing. Someone has to keep ancient business systems working, and the hardware doesn't last forever.
I thought that was usually accomplished by emulating the mainframe on a raspberry pi?
I know a guy who's basically trying to recreate some old computer (a PDP-8 I think?) by using original chips slotted into breadboards and wired together by hand.
I've often thought he's insane.
PDP-8 was all wire-wrap, anyway.
For those of you who don't know what wire-wrap is, it looks like this:
Each connection looks like this:
Some of it has to have been solder. Wait... no, no it doesn't, they had to be able to replace every damn component all the time. Right.
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@Rhywden said in In other news today...:
@topspin Oh, you'll have fun with this Cray-1:
Front:
Back:
Zoom:
The good old days when signal propagation time didn't matter.
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@Gąska Um. It did. That's
The Interconnect
you're looking at. Those wires have fairly precise lengths.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0roQUZvU-As
The quantum foam affects the wobble in the spin, and now there is perhaps more quantum foam that we didn't know about yet.
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@cvi foamy spin wobbles. Of course! it was right in front of us the whole time.
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@cvi foamy spin wobbles. Of course! it was right in front of us the whole time.
That's the "physics as seen in a bar near closing time" model.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
It's super-exciting every time to hear they're firing Fermilab stuff up again. Bit of a letdown when it fails to happen again, but one of these days, bam! Sweet oblivion.
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
A bat;'leth is a weapon.
Not a very good one, and if not sharpened, it's about like having a piece of sheet steel.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
A bat;'leth is a weapon.
Not a very good one, and if not sharpened, it's about like having a piece of sheet steel.
Besides, according to the article, it was hanging on the wall.
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It's not written about software, but applies just perfectly:
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
A bat;'leth is a weapon.
Technically. You need
Throw Anything
to get good mileage out of it, though.
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@Gąska Um. It did. That's
The Interconnect
you're looking at. Those wires have fairly precise lengths.IMHO the better thing to say that inductance and crosstalk did not matter.
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@loopback0 shudder dog hands.
It is pretty neat, though, that you can gesture at something... and a dog w... are you sure this isn't satire?
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
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@Tsaukpaetra said in In other news today...:
A bat;'leth is a weapon.
Not a very good one, and if not sharpened, it's about like having a piece of sheet steel.
Now of course, once you sharpen it, you have an irregularly shaped sharp piece of sheet steel, eminently suited for any attack requiring no mechanical advantage, and leveling the playing field of combat vs an unarmed adversary.
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Sure, he released an exploit for a security vulnerability that hasn't actually been patched in any end-user software, but at least he
scored 1337 haxxor pointsdidn't weaponize it by including the sandbox escape he used!
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@izzion he dropped it? Was Blakey-Drax around to catch it? Not that it’d go lost.
Damn, these rapper lingo headlines make me feel .
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
Sure, he released an exploit for a security vulnerability that hasn't actually been patched in any end-user software, but at least he
scored 1337 haxxor pointsdidn't weaponize it by including the sandbox escape he used!Last sentence in article:
Removed zero-day from headline and article text as this was not the case, per Agarwal’s statements.
Of course it still shows up in the preview...
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
@izzion said in In other news today...:
Sure, he released an exploit for a security vulnerability that hasn't actually been patched in any end-user software, but at least he
scored 1337 haxxor pointsdidn't weaponize it by including the sandbox escape he used!Last sentence in article:
Removed zero-day from headline and article text as this was not the case, per Agarwal’s statements.
Of course it still shows up in the preview...
From RTFA, the bug is "patched" in the underlying Chromium V8 JavaScript library, but the patch had not yet been integrated in Chrome or Edge as of when he posted the exploit.
Seems like a 0-day to me.
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Clbuttic:
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@JBert said in In other news today...:
Not much to see right now. In the dark.
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@boomzilla
Sun is up but these Dutch fish don't seem to be early birds.
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So this is horrifying...
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@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
So this is horrifyingly awesome!
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
So this is horrifyingly awesome!
The GOP needs this to work to create future candidates.
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Damages are estimated to be as high as $12.
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Oh My Cod!
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That's a lot of clams:
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@JBert said in In other news today...:
a lot of clams
Clams? We need a comment on that from Scientology!
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
ct a pastry
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