CDPR gets Cyberpulled
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8MB save file limit fuckup is fixed in newest patch.
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@PleegWat said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I do play on PC.
The most recent patch has fixed most of the issues I've seen, including a stretch of road where the textures were just entirely in the wrong place. Still a few glitches about with quests interfering with game state, but nothing too awful…
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I would buy that just to experience the train wreck.
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@dkf said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@PleegWat said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I do play on PC.
The most recent patch has fixed most of the issues I've seen, including a stretch of road where the textures were just entirely in the wrong place. Still a few glitches about with quests interfering with game state, but nothing too awful…
Not sure if it was just the software update or also hardware upgrades, but the game is now playable on maximum settings, with ray tracing, without DLSS of GeForce Now. Not a stable 60FPS, but definitely playable. And if they finally fix the advertisements and street sign texture loading bug (the high-res textures load way too late), it'll be an incredibly beautiful game.
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@dfdub Something definitely changed with the graphics in the last update. I didn't change any settings or hardware, but my GPU usage isn't nearly as high as it was before. I didn't think to pay attention to the fine details to see if the visual quality had changed meaningfully.
Edit: Specifically, I saw a significant decrease in average GPU clock speed and substantially cooler GPU core temperatures. The card is simply using less power than it did before. That could either be bad or good, depending on what is actually happening.
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@Placeholder said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I didn't think to pay attention to the fine details to see if the visual quality had changed meaningfully.
I can't say for sure, since I didn't take before/after pictures, but I don't think so. Seems like they're simply optimizing the rendering pipeline while trying to get the game to work on the old consoles.
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@Placeholder said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I didn't think to pay attention to the fine details to see if the visual quality had changed meaningfully.
I can't say for sure, since I didn't take before/after pictures, but I don't think so. Seems like they're simply optimizing the rendering pipeline while trying to get the game to work on the old consoles.
What about rain? I ran the game after applying 1.06 and after 10 minutes it started raining like hell. I don't remember it happening before.
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@MrL said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I don't remember it happening before.
Sounds like a coincidence. I think I had seen rain before 1.06.
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@Placeholder said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@dfdub Something definitely changed with the graphics in the last update. I didn't change any settings or hardware, but my GPU usage isn't nearly as high as it was before. I didn't think to pay attention to the fine details to see if the visual quality had changed meaningfully.
Edit: Specifically, I saw a significant decrease in average GPU clock speed and substantially cooler GPU core temperatures. The card is simply using less power than it did before. That could either be bad or good, depending on what is actually happening.
They probably actually turned on the "use the manufacturer features" settings that various redditors had found for AMD processors and GPUs.
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I think I had seen rain before 1.06.
I was definitely noting the rain right from the first day of release. Perhaps my card is one where it always worked? (It's an old one now, with only 4GB of RAM for textures, but a GPU that is pretty good at postprocessing, so things still look pretty good.)
I did see one genuine repeatable breaking glitch today, where driving out of a bus station (after just finishing a gig there) would drop the car through the bottom of the map; it happened several times from one quicksave. Walking out and summoning the car was the obvious workaround.
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Cyberpunk 2077 Is the Game of the Year, but Only in That "Time Man of the Year" Kind of Way
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@DogsB said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Cyberpunk 2077 Is the Game of the Year, but Only in That "Time Man of the Year" Kind of Way
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I thought that reading this would be better than talking about politics with my family at christmas table. I was wrong.
Well, fall back to alcohol, I guess.
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@MrL
TIL some reviewers considered this game transphobic. I'm wondering whether those reviewers even played the side missions involving a certain (IMO very well-written) trans character.(I have to agree with the rest of the article, though.)
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@MrL
TIL some reviewers considered this game transphobic. I'm wondering whether those reviewers even played the side missions involving a certain (IMO very well-written) trans character.I seem to remember that the trans in the game were exactly the reason for the game being called anti trans.
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@Carnage
From what I saw, the criticism revolves around an advertising seen pretty much everywhere in the game that fetishizes a trans person. I specifically looked up reviews that criticized the game in this way because I was curious and the authors of the ones I read didn't even seem to have figured out that the character I'm talking about is trans. (Which is one of the reasons I think they're well-written: If you don't spend time with said NPC, you'll never know.)
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@MrL
TIL some reviewers considered this game transphobic. I'm wondering whether those reviewers even played the side missions involving a certain (IMO very well-written) trans character.(I have to agree with the rest of the article, though.)
The anti-trans criticism I saw was that when creating your character, you select the voice actor. You have two choices, a male or a female. While you don't explicitly choose your gender, if you pick the male voice, other characters will use male pronouns for you, and they'll use female pronouns if you use the female voice.
The lack of voice acted pretend pronouns bothered some people.
You do choose your biological sex, though. (Or not, I guess. You choose your current genitalia, which in a world with better plastic surgery and cybernetic enhancements isn't necessarily what you were born with I guess.)
Your choices for genitals are "no genitals", a vagina, or a penis. If you select a penis, you have the choice of "large" or "small" and the choice of "circumcised" or "not".
I sort of hope the analytics around the penis size choices leaks, mostly because the Console Wars have been pretty tame for the last generation and a half, and "PS5 players are more likely to tell Cyberpunk that they have a small penis" is a good place to start a dick measuring contest.
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"CP is transphobic" is a whole story, spanning all of 2020, or even further.
First it was 'there are no trans characters', they were added. Then it was 'not enough exposure', poster was shown. Then it was 'poster is a mockery', full genitals customization was added. So now it's 'no configurable pronouns'.
There's just no winning with the Church of Whine. CDP should know better and just refuse to play the woke game.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
If you select a penis, you have the choice of "large" or "small" and the choice of "circumcised" or "not".
Why the fuck is that even an option, unless you want to troll certain always-complaining people into complaining?! I assume the game doesn’t have explicit sex scene where you could tell that?
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@topspin said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
If you select a penis, you have the choice of "large" or "small" and the choice of "circumcised" or "not".
Why the fuck is that even an option, unless you want to troll certain always-complaining people into complaining?! I assume the game doesn’t have explicit sex scene where you could tell that?
I haven't played far enough into the game, but apparently there are certain characters in the game who will refuse to date you if your penis length/style is not to their liking.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@topspin said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
If you select a penis, you have the choice of "large" or "small" and the choice of "circumcised" or "not".
Why the fuck is that even an option, unless you want to troll certain always-complaining people into complaining?! I assume the game doesn’t have explicit sex scene where you could tell that?
I haven't played far enough into the game, but apparently there are certain characters in the game who will refuse to date you if your penis length/style is not to their liking.
Understandable. Wait, I mean, who’d do such a thing?
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@MrL
While I'm pretty sure there were crazy people who made up theories about an unreleased game, I don't believe your timeline is accurate. I'd be very surprised if the trans character was added as an afterthought, because it definitely doesn't seem so, and not including non-traditional characters in a cyberpunk game would just be weird.@GuyWhoKilledBear said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
but apparently there are certain characters in the game who will refuse to date you if your penis length/style is not to their liking.
This is complete BS that was made up by online trolls. It's a purely aesthetic choice that has zero effect on any in-game interactions.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
but apparently there are certain characters in the game who will refuse to date you if your penis length/style is not to their liking.
This is complete BS that was made up by online trolls. It's a purely aesthetic choice that has zero effect on any in-game interactions.
Is the troll that they were promising a more complex and interesting game than was actually released, leading to me being disappointed?
I assume the game has certain characters who are only sexually interested in you if you have one set of genitalia, and another set of characters who are only potentially interested in you if you have the opposite genitals.
You know, the way real life works.
I assumed that some characters are only into the big dicked version of you and others into the small dicked version to be an extension (
) of that system.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
I assume the game has certain characters who are only sexually interested in you if you have one set of genitalia, and another set of characters who are only potentially interested in you if you have the opposite genitals.
You know, the way real life works.Can confirm. You can even get yourself into an awkward rejection situation.
Sadly, the objectively best romance option wasn't attracted to my character's gender.
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@MrL
While I'm pretty sure there were crazy people who made up theories about an unreleased game, I don't believe your timeline is accurate. I'd be very surprised if the trans character was added as an afterthought, because it definitely doesn't seem so, and not including non-traditional characters in a cyberpunk game would just be weird.I don't know when the character or genital configuration was added. This is how media-CDP back and forth went.
For added fun there were accusations about game being not POC inclusive enough (because medieval Europe of W3 was not black enough*). Now the game is out and whining changed to... wait for it... too many POC characters.
* which is also, apparently, a huge problem of Kingdom Come. A historically accurate game taking place in middle ages Moravia. There is >gasp< zero black people in this game.
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@MrL Well, the cycle of outrage and announcements rarely provides an accurate timeline, so I'll choose to believe that neither was the result of public feedback and that it may simply seem so due to the order in which demos and trailers were published and some idiots on Twitter got their panties in a bunch.
And yeah, social media was a mistake. It's time to finally realize Twitter outrage doesn't actually translate to real-world problems and ignore that medium. Not sure why everyone's still pretending like the opinion of random Twitter
botsusers matters.
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@MrL Well, the cycle of outrage and announcements rarely provides an accurate timeline, so I'll choose to believe that neither was the result of public feedback and that it may simply seem so due to the order in which demos and trailers were published and some idiots on Twitter got their panties in a bunch.
Yeah, like I said, I don't know when what was added.
And yeah, social media was a mistake. It's time to finally realize Twitter outrage doesn't actually translate to real-world problems and ignore that medium. Not sure why everyone's still pretending like the opinion of random Twitter
botsusers matters.Social media: CP is a disaster. DISASTER!
CP: Sells 5 million copies in two weeks.
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@MrL said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Social media: CP is a disaster. DISASTER!
CP: Sells 5 million copies in two weeks.I'd say getting removed from PSN and all console sales blanket refunded is a disaster.
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Can confirm. You can even get yourself into an awkward rejection situation.
Is it actually going on the genitalia, though? You can choose the body type, male/female voice, and finally the genitalia. For the genitalia, the default during character creation is none. So do that choice actually affect anything? Are there a pile of eVnuchs running around in night city, not getting any?
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@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@MrL
While I'm pretty sure there were crazy people who made up theories about an unreleased game, I don't believe your timeline is accurate. I'd be very surprised if the trans character was added as an afterthought, because it definitely doesn't seem so, and not including non-traditional characters in a cyberpunk game would just be weird.FWIW: having played and run many campaigns of tabletop Cyberpunk and Shadowrun over the years, genitalia, transexuality, and similar topics are things that never came up. I don't really care what you are or what the other guys are, I just want to get through this mission without getting my head blown off or my brain fried.
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@cvi said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@dfdub said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Can confirm. You can even get yourself into an awkward rejection situation.
Is it actually going on the genitalia, though? You can choose the body type, male/female voice, and finally the genitalia. For the genitalia, the default during character creation is none. So do that choice actually affect anything? Are there a pile of eVnuchs running around in night city, not getting any?
It does not. The romanceable characters all work off of a combination of "body type" (masculine/feminine) and/or "voice choice" (masculine/feminine). The particular character I ended up romancing (who is, in my opinion, the best choice and I was so happy you could do this) is only attracted to your character if you have both a feminine body AND feminine voice, as she's a lesbian.
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@e4tmyl33t Ah, if only it worked like Skyrim. If the NPC is romancable, it does not matter if you are male or female. They will marry you without question. Everyone is bisexual ftw!
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@Atazhaia said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Ah, if only it worked like Skyrim. If the NPC is romancable, it does not matter if you are male or female.
It doesn't matter if you romance them either; they'll always behave the same.
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@MrL d'oh, it wasn't 37 minutes ago
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Here's the post it was linking to:
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So, to sum it up: execs scrapped huge amount of content, ordered gigantic rewrites and set impossible deadlines.
Sounds not only plausible, but also familiar.
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@MrL said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
* which is also, apparently, a huge problem of Kingdom Come. A historically accurate game taking place in middle ages Moravia. There is >gasp< zero black people in this game.
Funny that you mention it, because I wanted to write about it. CDPR could learn a thing or two about damage control: KCD was released in absolutely terrible state, with multiple game-breaking bugs, yet what people remember is that "the reviewers wanted to ban it because there were no blacks in it". And I am not actually citing you - this is something that many people recall.
It's, of course, absolute bullshit. When KCD went out, I have actually made point of reading lots of "journalist" articles (something I don't do since early 2000s, when user evaluation started to be a thing) and they were overwhelmingly positive, with the main negative being the buggy state (sometimes using harsh words, like "Bethesda-like"). Sometimes it mentioned that "Warhorse studios' founder engaged in social media controversy". One article actually did have socio-political issues, namely that "contemporary issues like witch-burning, church corruption and oppressive feudal system are not addressed at all, maybe except one cutscene". Which is a little unfair, the church corruption is mentioned several times - but the "middle ages are great, without Hungarians everything would be just perfect" attitude is something I have found a little jarring too (especially in the first half, before the story kinda explained why Henry is not beaten every time he talks back to his betters).
In the end, I had waited with KCD purchase for several months, assuming that most bugs were then fixed (I still had to use debug console to progress, but only once). I intend to do that with Cyberpunk too.
Btw that "social media controversy" was just a typical stupid example of Twitter bullshit, With Vávra making passive-aggresive statements carefully formulated to be just short of actually racist (but could be interpreted such, with prejudice). At the time (2014? CBA to check) I though that he should take some lesson in PR - it was much later that I realized he could actually give a lesson or two.
Also,
the game takes place in Bohemia (although Moravia is mentioned few times, usually as a place where outlaws could try to escape to).
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Fallout 4 offers what Cyberpunk 2077 doesn’t: consequences
RPGs should make you feel like your actions matter
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Cyberpunk 2077 game-breaking glitch discovered after latest update
One of the missions changed in the patch has a bug
Cyberwindows Update
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Cyberpunk 2077 game-breaking glitch discovered after latest update
One of the missions changed in the patch has a bug
Cyberwindows Update
They clearly didn't test the game before the release, why would they test updates?
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Why are gamers so eager to trust and even forgive the snake oil...
This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I get kinda riled up about it every time I see it unfold. And every time it keeps happening, people keep falling for it... It all...
tl;dr: Ori developer gets angry at the games industy continuously overhyping and underdelivering on their products, and blames the games press for assisting in this behaviour and acting as advertisements and sweeping problems under the rug instead of doing a critical look at the shit happening.
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@Atazhaia said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Why are gamers so eager to trust and even forgive the snake oil...
This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I get kinda riled up about it every time I see it unfold. And every time it keeps happening, people keep falling for it... It all...
tl;dr: Ori developer gets angry at the games industy continuously overhyping and underdelivering on their products, and blames the games press for assisting in this behaviour and acting as advertisements and sweeping problems under the rug instead of doing a critical look at the shit happening.
And on the filp side of it, you have a game developer who makes the hard decision to delay content to ensure they meet their quality standards & timing deadlines, and the community savages them for that too: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/ldrvtu/new_ultimate_delayed_until_61/
(Context: FF14 had originally planned to release a second Ultimate difficulty raid in the 5.5 patch cycle ~2 months from now, but they got to a point where trying to adjust to the changes in their work environment due to COVID & such meant that either they had to delay something -- the Ultimate itself or the expansion -- or release shit. So they delayed Ultimate, and Reddit lost its shit. To be fair to Reddit, I agree that probably means that Ultimate effectively "got cancelled" and all Ultimate raids are going to be pushed back 1 "release window" in perpetuity... but still, I'd rather they make the hard choice than release something shit).
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Fallout 4 offers what Cyberpunk 2077 doesn’t: consequences
RPGs should make you feel like your actions matter
Whoever wrote that headline must have played neither. I've never seen an RPG so devoid of consequences of player's actions as Fallout 4. And I finished Skyrim.
Edit: Initially I liked F4's perk system. Your initial attribute choices determined your play style throughout the entire playthrough, by permanently locking up the best perks unless you're willing to sacrifice something. Then I learned you can spend skill points on attributes.
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@Atazhaia said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Why are gamers so eager to trust and even forgive the snake oil...
This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I get kinda riled up about it every time I see it unfold. And every time it keeps happening, people keep falling for it... It all...
Next up: why are voters so eager to trust and even forgive politicians...
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@Gąska said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Fallout 4 offers what Cyberpunk 2077 doesn’t: consequences
RPGs should make you feel like your actions matter
Whoever wrote that headline must have played neither. I've never seen an RPG so devoid of consequences of player's actions as Fallout 4. And I finished Skyrim.
Edit: Initially I liked F4's perk system. Your initial attribute choices determined your play style throughout the entire playthrough, by permanently locking up the best perks unless you're willing to sacrifice something. Then I learned you can spend skill points on attributes.
Yeah, when I read "I loved Fallout 3" in the headline, I knew that the guy has no idea about good RPGs.
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@MrL said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@Gąska said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
Fallout 4 offers what Cyberpunk 2077 doesn’t: consequences
RPGs should make you feel like your actions matter
Whoever wrote that headline must have played neither. I've never seen an RPG so devoid of consequences of player's actions as Fallout 4. And I finished Skyrim.
Edit: Initially I liked F4's perk system. Your initial attribute choices determined your play style throughout the entire playthrough, by permanently locking up the best perks unless you're willing to sacrifice something. Then I learned you can spend skill points on attributes.
Yeah, when I read "I loved Fallout 3" in the headline, I knew that the guy has no idea about good RPGs.
Haha yeah one of the best selling RPGs of all time is bad and I kno better than anyone else
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@Jaloopa said in CDPR gets Cyberpulled:
best selling
...is not really any kind of seal of quality, you know.
