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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Ha-haHue-hue-hue
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Gap could let hackers access users' home networks.
Breaking news: The sun rose this morning. Film at 11.
Filed under: Mind the gap
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Gap could let hackers access users' home networks.
Breaking news: The sun rose this morning. Film at 11.
Filed under: Mind the gap
the Gap lets people hack into my network? GODDESS PRESERVE US! As if i needed ANOTHER reason to hate that store......
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@Vixen said in Internet of shit:
the
GapGoop lets people hack into mynetworkvagina?
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@TimeBandit ISTM that would tend to prevent rather than allow it.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@Vixen said in Internet of shit:
the
GapGoop lets people hack into mynetworkvagina?
You're thinking of the gash.
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@loopback0 Shirley they mean in the collective sense
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@TimeBandit Hey don't mock Philips Hue! That's actually a decent product.
YMBNH
From the first post in this thread:
This thread is made for mocking.
And that's just what we do.
One of these days this thread is gonna mock all about you...
Filed under: Apologies to Nancy Sinatra / Lee Hazlewood, INB4 TDEMSYR
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@JBert said in Internet of shit:
mock all about you
Doesn't scan right. (There may be other places, but that's the one that I find really jarring.) You can sing about as "UH-bout" instead of "uh-BOUT", but :cringe:.
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@HardwareGeek I admit I don't really like that third line either, but after thinking about it for a couple of minutes I decided to move on to more productive things, like squeezing oranges for a drink.
In conclusion: the "tags" I added are waranted IMHO.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
The product had it's share of problems and shortcomings (such as resetting color to white and brightness to max after power loss which was finally fixed a year or two ago),
Arguably that's a feature. You
cancould still stick it in a normal socket and normal people who don't care about your atmosphere™ can use a light switch to use it like a normal light bulb.but it is pretty decent by now, and it has a public API so you can program it from any device that can send web requests to the bridge, including the Shortcuts app on your iPhone.
It's also about as useful as this ties-itself-via-bluetooth shoe.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
bad CRI which leads to terrible color reproduction.
Which is a thing the typical user cares very much about for their living room lamp.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@TimeBandit Hey don't mock Philips Hue! That's actually a decent product.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
It is a LED bulb, so if you don't care about atmosphere you can still do some good by replacing incadescent bulbs with it to save electricity. Yes, you can buy cheaper Chinese LED bulbs but they have a tendency to flicker, can damage your eyesight with UV radiation, and have bad CRI which leads to terrible color reproduction.
You don’t need some programmable garbage for that, though. I replaced most of my incandescent bulbs with good quality LEDs that you get for like 5€ (thinking of it, probably also Phillips). That’s a lot more expensive than an incandescent, but also a lot cheaper than some Phillips Hue thingy I don’t need for 35€.
YMMV.
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@topspin I had to go and buy some more expensive LEDs because while the usual ones don't flicker visibly, they actually do flicker when you try to use something like an Oculus Quest with its inside-out-tracking. The cheap ones are probably using really simple rectifiers (I'm not saying that it'll be just a Graetz Bridge but likely close)
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@Rhywden said in Internet of shit:
Graetz Bridge
Never heard it called a Graetz bridge before, just a bridge rectifier. I suppose Graetz is the guy who invented it, but I don't think I've ever heard of him before, either.
I would think that to build one really on the cheap, you'd just use the LED itself as the rectifier; after all, it is a diode. That would also explain the flicker, as it would be on only half of every 50/60Hz power cycle. Slightly less stupid and cheap would be LEDs in parallel, opposite polarity; each would emit light during opposite phases of the current flow — less flicker, and it would be at 100/120Hz, which is a lot less noticeable, and at no additional expense, as all(?) real bulbs contain multiple LEDs anyway.
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@HardwareGeek Yeah, but a simple half-wave rectifier (which an LED would be) would mean that you'd get a) a 25 Hz flicker with b) even worse, the LED being dark for more than 50% of the time. Which would yield a noticable flicker even to ol'Eyeball Mk1.
A full-wave bridge rectifier would roughly make it dark for only about ~20% of the time (after all, you need to pass a minimum voltage for an LED to light up). And that you only notice with devices like shutter glasses (for 3D TVs) and cameras.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
I would think that to build one really on the cheap, you'd just use the LED itself as the rectifier; after all, it is a diode.
Unlike standard diodes, the maximum reverse voltage for LEDs is generally only a few volts, so it's not a good idea in practice (unless you put the LEDs in anti-parallel configuration).
@Rhywden said in Internet of shit:
25 Hz flicker
50 Hz (half-wave rectification creates flicker at the line frequency, full-wave rectification creates flicker at twice the line frequency).
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@Zerosquare Yah, you're right. A bit too tired to think straight.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@topspin Do you also use an abacus to write forum posts instead of that programmable garbage called "computers" which other people use?
No, but I use a normal keyboard instead of one with RGB lights that cost ten times as much. The same with white LED bulbs instead of RGB bulbs.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@topspin Philips Hue come in plain white as well. You don't need to buy the RGB ones if all you want is white.
At this point you are arguing against lights being programmable and being able to control them using voice when your hands are full or dirty, or when it is too dark to find a switch or you are too sleepy to get up to turn them off.
Printer and loaded gun in a drawer next to it.
Programmable lights, that's a no.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@MrL said in Internet of shit:
Printer and loaded gun in a drawer next to it.
Programmable lights, that's a no.Why, would that require an automatic rifle in a drawer?
Nah, automatic rifles are for schools. For a printer regular handgun is enough.
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@Rhywden said in Internet of shit:
@HardwareGeek Yeah, but a simple half-wave rectifier (which an LED would be) would mean that you'd get a) a
2550 (or 60) Hz flicker with b) even worse, the LED being dark for more than 50% of the time. Which would yield a noticable flicker even to ol'Eyeball Mk1.
A full-wave bridge rectifier would roughly make it dark for only about ~20% of the time (after all, you need to pass a minimum voltage for an LED to light up).If your mains frequency is 50 Hz, the LED will conduct and emit light for (a little less than) one half of each 1/50th second cycle of the voltage. To get a 25 Hz flicker, you'd have to have a 25 Hz mains frequency, which is a thing not even you crazy Europeans have. Edit:
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Arguably that's a feature.
But you could have used it as a regular light even without that bug.
What you couldn't do was continue to sleep if you had one in your bedroom and your power went out for a moment, because the bulb would turn on at full blast and wake you up.
Ah, so it just didn't remember its last state and they took a few years to fix that?
@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
It's also about as useful as
this ties-itself-via-bluetooth shoeyour irrational hate of it.
It is a LED bulb, so if you don't care about atmosphere you can still do some good by replacing incadescent bulbs with it to save electricity. Yes, you can buy cheaper Chinese LED bulbs but they have a tendency to flicker, can damage your eyesight with UV radiation, and have bad CRI which leads to terrible color reproduction.
The whole fucking point of it is to produce spectra other than "as close as possible to blackbody radiation", so you have terrible color reproduction by definition.
I don't "hate" that thing, I just think it's IoS-ing for no good reason. There's no way fucking around with that app is even more convenient than using a plain old light switch—unless you add some Google or Amazon spyware that listens to your every word of course, but only morons want that.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@MrL said in Internet of shit:
Printer and loaded gun in a drawer next to it.
Programmable lights, that's a no.Why, would that require an automatic rifle in a drawer?
Isn’t it obvious?
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@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Google or Amazon spyware that listens to your every word of course, but only morons want that.
Have you seen how popular Alexa and friends are? There are a lot of morons who want that.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
Yes, you can buy cheaper Chinese LED bulbs but they have a tendency to flicker, can damage your eyesight with UV radiation, and have bad CRI which leads to terrible color reproduction.
Good, non-internet enabled LED bulbs are also available.
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Google or Amazon spyware that listens to your every word of course, but only morons want that.
Have you seen how popular Alexa and friends are? There are a lot of morons who want that.
I got an Echo Auto for Christmas.
I have yet to find a use case for it...
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@hungrier Yes there are, but are you aware Hue doesn't have to be connected to the internet either?
Sure, but then you're paying extra (multiple times extra) for something you don't use. It's like buying a fully decked-out Mac Pro and and using it to play Tux Racer on an LTS Ubuntu release
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@HardwareGeek said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC said in Internet of shit:
Google or Amazon spyware that listens to your every word of course, but only morons want that.
Have you seen how popular Alexa and friends are? There are a lot of morons who want that.
There are many morons in the world. News at 11!
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@LaoC The reason it took so long is that they cited concerns for first responders' ability to operate lights in disaster scenarios.
Totally something you start thinking of after product launch. It's a fucking lightbulb, even the proverbial elevator controller is more complicated.
As for "no good reason", how is it not more convenient to control the light from a phone when the phone is next to your bed and light switches in many bedrooms are on the wall next to the door?
One more reason to fiddle with your phone. If you count the actual time you spend with it because you discovered something that "required" your attention when you pick it up to operate the light, I bet I still beat you to the light switch by a wide margin.
How is it not more convenient to hook it up into HomeKit and be able to say "Hey Siri, turn on the hallway light" when your hands are full of shopping bags?
That's suuuper convenient, although I'm still faster with my elbow to the light switch (which, remember, is usually at the entrance) than you talking to Siri, but OK. As I said: unless you're opening your house and literally everything you say to the marketing mafia.
How is it not more convenient to have a light that can also turn on and off on a schedule?
If you find a use for it … Used to popular as an anti-burglar thing using those mechanical timers when I was little, but didn't even work then.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
I get that you are a bunch of old grumpy men,
Yes (although only in my mind, my body is more feeble than old)
but you don't have to be technophobes as well.
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
As for "no good reason", how is it not more convenient to control the light from a phone when the phone is next to your bed
Because now I have to fumble for my phone on my nightstand instead of the button for the light that is sitting on the night stand?
How is it not more convenient to hook it up into HomeKit and be able to say "Hey Siri, turn on the hallway light" when your hands are full of shopping bags?
How do you open your front door with your arms full off bags?
Maybe don't try to carry bags with complicator gloves on.How is it not more convenient to have a light that can also turn on and off on a schedule?
Because randomingly turning lights on and off doesn't seem like an improvement. My cats can see in the dark perfectly fine. I have an electronic timer I can use to control an appliance if I want to give the impression there is someone home. I often use it to let the tv or radio play a few hours during longer vacations.
How is it not convenient to have light turn up gradually in the morning instead of blinding you as you wake up?
The night light on my nightstand is perfectly dimmed.
How is it not convenient to have a light that can dial down the blue component in the evening to help you get sleepy easier?
I don't like the disco effect when the color of the light changes.
I get that you are a bunch of old grumpy men, but you don't have to be technophobes as well.
And not all things are improvements for everybody.
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@Luhmann said in Internet of shit:
How do you open your front door with your arms full off bags?
Maybe don't try to carry bags with complicator gloves on.I'm sure it's posted in this thread already: you (or your neighbor) just say the magic words:
"HEY SIRI, UNLOCK THE FRONT DOOR." She unlocked the front door.
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@frillunflop said in Internet of shit:
we were worrying about back doors.
I'm always worried about unauthorized access to my backdoor.
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@frillunflop said in Internet of shit:
"HEY SIRI, UNLOCK THE FRONT DOOR"
... And we were worrying about back doors.
Fun fact: stepbrother managed to leave the keyring in the back gate lock. It contains keys for both gates, the trailer and hitch locks, front and back doors, all three sheds, and a carabiner.
I was not amused.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Internet of shit:
@frillunflop said in Internet of shit:
"HEY SIRI, UNLOCK THE FRONT DOOR"
... And we were worrying about back doors.
Fun fact: stepbrother managed to leave the keyring in the back gate lock. It contains keys for both gates, the trailer and hitch locks, front and back doors, all three sheds, and a carabiner.
I was not amused.
I wouldn't be either, if my stepbrother left my carabiner where just anyone could walk off with it!
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
What you couldn't do was continue to sleep if you had one in your bedroom and your power went out for a moment, because the bulb would turn on at full blast and wake you up.
trust me, if power goes out in my room you're going to be awake long before the lichts come back on automatically because power were restored....
you're going to wake up to the clamor of the UPS units in the next room complaining about lack of wall power.
BEEP! BEBEBEEP! BEEEEEEP! BBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
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@Vixen I'm a sheep.
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Supposedly it does face recognition locally, so maybe this is just a "smart device of shit"
“Everything takes place locally, just like it does on your mobile phone, and it never leaves,” Brostoff said. “So that eliminates one of the key privacy concerns.”
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@hungrier said in Internet of shit:
Supposedly it does face recognition locally, so maybe this is just a "smart device of shit"
“Everything takes place locally, just like it does on your mobile phone, and it never leaves,” Brostoff said. “So that eliminates one of the key privacy concerns.”
Holy shit. That tech is nowhere near maturity for that kind of thing...
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@sloosecannon About 10-ish years ago, I had a laptop with a "face unlock via built-in webcam" feature. A friend of mine saw it and was all "there's no way that's secure. All I need is a picture of your face." So he took one on his phone, and waved his phone in front of the camera several times. It never unlocked, which honestly kinda surprised me.
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@Vixen said in Internet of shit:
trust me, if power goes out in my room you're going to be awake long before the lichts come back on automatically because power were restored....
I thought the bigger “risk” when sleeping in your room would be waking up to a fox getting very cuddly under your covers...
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
As for "no good reason", how is it not more convenient to control the light from a phone when the phone is next to your bed and light switches in many bedrooms are on the wall next to the door?
FWIW- I used to have some Hue lights, and didn't particularly hate them. Didn't find fucking around with a cell phone particularly convenient, though. Their app used to be kinda meh, and I've yet to meet a reliable wifi connection.
Having physical switches is neat, and when they're wireless, it's easy to place them wherever you want them (including next to the bed). Makes it easier when you have guests as well.
(It's still a IoS system. I haven't connected mine to the internet, though.)
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@levicki said in Internet of shit:
@Vixen I have a UPS too, but the beep is configured OFF.
I could configure them that way too....... but
@levicki said in Internet of shit:
The equipment is set to shutdown safely before the battery runs out, and to power up when the mains power is restored
this, or it's stuff like a cable model that will just you know...... start back up when power is restored.
@levicki said in Internet of shit:
there is literally nothing else I could do if I was aware that the power went out.
as I said.....