Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Bulb said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Yes, there were actually assholes who were blocking this lane deliberately
We have the same kinds of assholes here. But it's funny how they (whoever rants about it in the media) tend to point out how it works great in Germany…
They're probably pointing out how it's supposed to work (and does a lot of the time). That doesn't stop assholes fucking things up, here, too.
I remember the story where a fireman gave all the assholes stopping to take pictures of an accident a quick hosedown.
: "Hey, look! Free carwash!"
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@Rhywden Followup: Today I was contacted by a police officer who asked me to forward the picture I had taken. He also wrote that he had sent some forms via snail mail which I was to give a look over if there were any errors, sign the forms and then mail them back. Rather painless procedure up till now.
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Vancouver police officer struck by distracted driver while ticketing a distracted driver
Police say the officer was sitting in his unmarked vehicle with the lights and sirens on after he had pulled over a distracted driver.
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@hungrier said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Vancouver police officer struck by distracted driver while ticketing a distracted driver
Police say the officer was sitting in his unmarked vehicle with the lights and sirens on after he had pulled over a distracted driver.
I'm only surprised it took this long to happen.
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@Vixen It didn't. Stories like this have been happening for a few years now; this is just the first one you've seen.
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@Mason_Wheeler that does not surprise me in the slightest. You dont' get regular access to the news of the human world in the woods.
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Dear motorcyclist,
There is help.
And if you really insist on killing yourself, would you mind doing it in a way that doesn't inflict the trauma of having killed you on other motorists?
Busy surface street; three lanes in each direction (plus protected turn lanes at intersections). Traffic following each other too closely with insufficient stopping distance. Impatient motorcyclist, rather than splitting lanes, weaves back and forth across multiple lanes between cars that are already too close together. Just to arrive at a red light about 15 seconds sooner than he would have by just riding with the flow of traffic. (For additional irony, he was still waiting at the red left turn light as the through traffic he'd worked so hard to pass passed him.)
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@boomzilla that...... I don't know more than that clip but that looks like the car deliberately tried to hit the scooter while passing them?
like i'm all for saying scooter with top speed of 70kph shouldn't be allowed on a freeway where the speed limit is 100kph, but..... to attempt vehicular manslaughter at best or murder at worst....... seems excessive.
though given the number of fucking crazy drivers on my commute into work today...... I dunno is like mercury in retrograde or the moon full or something?
I had a truck riding my ass and laying on the horn while i was already going 5 over the speed limit in a residential area. Like RIDING my ass. Couldn't have been a foot between my rear bumper and theirs.... They were literally so close that all I could see out the rear window was their grill. Also flashing your high beams at me? real nice touch.
Eventually I put on my four way flashers and just let my car coast off the road and onto someone's front yard just to let the asshole pass.... only to have some other asshole pull the same thing when i pulled back out onto the road. Really wishing I'd put in that forward and rear dash cam so I could send the footage to the local police because fucking hell those drivers were a menace....
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@Vixen said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I don't know more than that clip but that looks like the car deliberately tried to hit the scooter while passing them?
I kind of think that as they were passing the scooter they noticed the car in the other lane that was passing them and they flinched. But it's funny that the car fell apart and the scooter was fine. I posted for teh lulz.
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
they noticed the car in the other lane that was passing them and they flinched.
I suppose it could be that....
is really hard to say without more context.
without that context it's probably going to be one of those "duck or rabbit" trick pictures.
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@Vixen I had a semi up on my butt this morning, and I was doing almost 10 over. Sucks.
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So, this happened last week. My uncle and me were driving to the northern part of Munich in semi-heavy traffic on the Autobahn. He wanted to take the next exit in 2 km, thus he switched to the rightmost lane (of four) while also dropping down to 90 km/h (speed limit was 80 on this stretch). The truck behind us was obviously doing 100 because he started to overtake us.
But due to the heavy traffic he only could pull up beside us. That's when he "complained" with his horn. We figured that the moron had just discovered the upcoming exit and had also calculated that he wouldn't be able to make it, what with him being not in the rightmost lane and also being neither faster nor slower than us.
Instead of letting him eat crow we dropped back and let him pull to the right.Only to have him see continue straight on instead of taking the next exit. Some people
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@Benjamin-Hall Yesterday, I was driving through a work zone (posted 45 mph limit) on a freeway (normally 55 mph) with two narrow lanes (maybe two feet wider than a car) in each direction with those temporary concrete walls right at the edges of the lanes on either side of the road (i.e. no shoulder), and traffic was going easily 60-65 or more. I'm not sure of the pertinent laws in PA, but back in UT if I kept to 45 mph, then I would've been the one to get a ticket for "impeding the flow of traffic."
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@djls45 That would get thrown out in court - because in this case you could argue that you'd have to break the law either way.
We have "impeding the flow of traffic" as well over here. And it only is valid if you drive significantly slower than the speed limit for no good reason.
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So I've been trying to maximize my MPG for my new truck (to see what the theoretical max really is for a featherfoot goody seven-shoes). Personal best after two weeks is 25.77.
But anyways, this means driving rather peculiarly, especially on highway: I bring up to speed, then keep the throttle at precisely 4 percent (or whatever the requirement for maintaining speed on level road).
Note: Even in Arizona, roads aren't perfectly level.
This means that on slight incline, my speed will naturally decrease at the benefit of maintaining (instantaneous) 30 MPG, and of course increase on declines. So, 65mph can go as high at 80, and as low as 50.
Nobody seems to care much, and I avoid a difference of more than 10 from surrounding traffic so... profit?
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@djls45 That would get thrown out in court - because in this case you could argue that you'd have to break the law either way.
We have "impeding the flow of traffic" as well over here. And it only is valid if you drive significantly slower than the speed limit for no good reason.
It is my understanding when driving with a trailer at max speed with that trailer (80 or 100 km/h) in the left lane is still impeding the flow of traffic in Germany.
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@PleegWat said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@djls45 That would get thrown out in court - because in this case you could argue that you'd have to break the law either way.
We have "impeding the flow of traffic" as well over here. And it only is valid if you drive significantly slower than the speed limit for no good reason.
It is my understanding when driving with a trailer at max speed with that trailer (80 or 100 km/h) in the left lane is still impeding the flow of traffic in Germany.
Not really. Only if the truck / trailer is forbidden from overtaking. It's annoying sometimes, yes, but it's not subject to fines.
And with three-lanes highways I've never seen a truck / trailer in the leftmost lane.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
And with three-lanes highways I've never seen a truck / trailer in the leftmost lane.
My brother claims those are not allowed in the third or further lanes anywhere in Europe. I never looked it up myself; it's very rare for there to be a good reason.
I do take the trailer in any lane in France, but I'm allowed and able to go 130 with it there so it's not an impediment.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
trying to maximize my MPG for my new truck
Have you tried driving not-a-truck?
e: damn mobile, fixed quote
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@djls45 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Benjamin-Hall Yesterday, I was driving through a work zone (posted 45 mph limit) on a freeway (normally 55 mph) with two narrow lanes (maybe two feet wider than a car) in each direction with those temporary concrete walls right at the edges of the lanes on either side of the road (i.e. no shoulder), and traffic was going easily 60-65 or more. I'm not sure of the pertinent laws in PA, but back in UT if I kept to 45 mph, then I would've been the one to get a ticket for "impeding the flow of traffic."
70 near Washington, PA? Because that sounds like that particular stretch of
hellenlightened highwayI'm very glad I only have to drive through that area a few times a year.
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
trying to maximize my MPG for my new truck
Have you tried driving not-a-truck?
e: damn mobile, fixed quote
Sure, but then I wouldn't be maximizing MPG for my truck, would I?
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What kind of American are you? You should be trying to maximize Gallons per Mile instead
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@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
70 near Washington, PA?
No, approximately this stretch of 422 near King of Prussia.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
What kind of American are you? You should be trying to maximize Gallons per Mile instead
Oh that's easy: I'd just dump it into the water supply.
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@djls45 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
70 near Washington, PA?
No, approximately this stretch of 422 near King of Prussia.
Well at least they're consistent...
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@djls45 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
70 near Washington, PA?
No, approximately this stretch of 422 near King of Prussia.
Oh hey, I know that road construction! Has it moved all the way down to King of Prussia now? When I was there, the big bottleneck started right before the Pottstown exit, and was a part of my daily commute.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@djls45 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@sloosecannon said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
70 near Washington, PA?
No, approximately this stretch of 422 near King of Prussia.
Oh hey, I know that road construction! Has it moved all the way down to King of Prussia now? When I was there, the big bottleneck started right before the Pottstown exit, and was a part of my daily commute.
It's not quite at KoP — it starts just before the Trooper/Valley Forge exit and goes until just after the bridge across the Schuykill River. My link marks out that part of the road.
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@djls45 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the Schuykill River
I didn't think I'd see a place with a weirder spelling-divorced-from-pronunciation name than Puyallup. Then I moved to eastern PA.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@djls45 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the Schuykill River
I didn't think I'd see a place with a weirder spelling-divorced-from-pronunciation name than Puyallup. Then I moved to eastern PA.
I thought Schuykill was pronounced "shoykill" until I realized that it was the name I kept hearing on the "Traffic on the Twos" news radio reports ("skoogull").
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@djls45 Yeah, it took me way too long to connect the spoken word "scoogle" to that written name too.
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@Mason_Wheeler From reading it, I thought "sky-kill"
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@djls45 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the Schuykill River
I didn't think I'd see a place with a weirder spelling-divorced-from-pronunciation name than Puyallup. Then I moved to eastern PA.
The names over there are either Dutch (Schuylkill) or Welsh (Bryn Mawr).
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@lolwhat Round these parts there's Strathaven ("Straven"), Milngavie ("Mill-guy"), Kilncadzow ("Killcaygee" - but weirdly Cadzow is pronounced as it's written, "Cad-zohw"), and Larkhall ("that far-right shithole").
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So I got to drive on the Autobahn for the first time - I was visiting a friend in Aachen, Germany, so I had to drive through most of Czech Republic and across Germany and then back. Some things I've observed:
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Waze is way less useful in Germany than it is in the Czech Republic. Around here the ministry of transportation maintains an up to date map of traffic information, so for example when there's roadwork going on somewhere, Waze knows about it pretty much immediately. In Germany I had to drive through some stretches of highway that were being worked on, clearly for weeks, with temporary speed limits (usually 100 or 80 kph), and Waze wasn't showing me a speed limit at all.
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I had my brakes (pads everywhere and front rotors) replaced about 2 weeks ago, and thank fucking Christ for that, because otherwise the Feuerwehr would still be pulling me out of some poor guy's ass. Somewhere between Frankfurt and Köln I was in a group of cars in the leftmost lane, doing about 150 kph and passing everyone, and then suddenly brakes, BRAAAAKES! I had to hit the pedal so hard my hazards automatically came on, which I didn't even know my car could do because this hasn't happened before. After a moment it became clear what happened: some idiot 2 cars ahead of me decided he wanted to get out at the exit we were about to pass, so he hit the brakes and went from 150 to like 20 in two seconds, and then waited for an opening to the right to cross three lanes and take the exit. After we started accelerating again, my friend who was with me goes "oh my good, look at this motherfucker", so I look right, and I see the same asshole doing a U-turn right after the exit and rejoining the highway again. Whoever you are, get fucked by a cactus. Thank god people behind me were paying attention too.
Oh yeah and the rotors are now warped, I think it's because of this incident. You stupid goddamn asshole.
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On the way there I was briefly following a guy in a beat up 1st gen Škoda Octavia with a small trailer that was rated for up to 80 kph. We were doing about 140. It was pretty funny but I passed him the first chance I got.
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Germans don't seem to signal when changing lanes surprisingly often, I'd say Czechs are better at that. I was really surprised too, I expected it to be the other way around.
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The A3 going through the middle of Frankfurt airport is amazing, you're driving straight ahead and there's an endless string of airplanes landing on either side of you because there's a runway on each side. It's a sight to behold.
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Since Aachen is right at the border with both the Netherlands and Bel*ium, we decided to travel a bit and go to Liège, it's about 50km from there. The town was alright enough, and we stopped for some absolutely delicious lunch (boulets with fries and an amazing black pepper sauce), but Jesus tittyfucking Christ I did not expect to find a western European city with roads more fucked up than my hometown. The traffic was terrible too, not just because of the roads but because Bel*ians apparently drive like the French (I've never been there but I've heard horror stories). On the way out I saw a fairly small, single lane roundabout where these people managed to form three lanes of cars furiously honking and flashing high beams and weaving around each other. Thank god I only needed the first exit, otherwise I'd probably still be stuck there today.
Next time I'm taking the train.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I've never been there but I've heard horror stories
Don't believe them.
...we're actually worse.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
because Bel*ians apparently drive like the French
No surprise there, some even speak the same language.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Germans don't seem to signal when changing lanes surprisingly often
What a shocker
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Germans don't seem to signal when changing lanes surprisingly often, I'd say Czechs are better at that. I was really surprised too, I expected it to be the other way around.
That is surprising. Have you noticed if they have more BMWs though?
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@Zecc said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Have you noticed if they have more BMWs though?
I was shocked a few days ago to see a BMW driver who did use his/her turn signals.
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@HardwareGeek
He was just showing off the extra option pack he got
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
did not expect to find a western European city with roads more fucked up than my hometown. The traffic was terrible too, not just because of the roads but because Bel*ians apparently drive like the French
Welcome to
! South part of the country has been neglecting it's roads since the job was decentralised
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@Luhmann said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Welcome to ! South part of the country has been neglecting it's roads since the job was decentralised
After WWII?
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@lolwhat
No we used those Marshall $$$ to repair that.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
- Waze is way less useful in Germany than it is in the Czech Republic. Around here the ministry of transportation maintains an up to date map of traffic information, so for example when there's roadwork going on somewhere, Waze knows about it pretty much immediately. In Germany I had to drive through some stretches of highway that were being worked on, clearly for weeks, with temporary speed limits (usually 100 or 80 kph), and Waze wasn't showing me a speed limit at all.
I mean, they're always working on something pretty much everywhere, so it'd be kind of redundant.
Also, Winter Is Coming
, so in November they create a bazillion new construction sites that they won't even begin to start working on until next spring. Why? Because budgetsbean countersFuck You, that's why.Whoever you are, get fucked by a cactus.
Yup. Fuck that guy.
Germans don't seem to signal when changing lanes surprisingly often
Fuck those guys, too.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I've never been there but I've heard horror stories
Don't believe them.
...we're actually worse.
While overall I agree (French drivers are bad), there are two factors that make it worse: big cities and latitude.
Bigger cities, and in particular Paris, tend to have awful drivers. Paris is by far the worst, people will cut you everywhere, honk, squeeze 3 cars where only 1 can go (and that's because there are 2 lanes but one is blocked by a parked car with its warning lights on as if it was an excuse...). The road signs are also very poor (lots of roads going one direction only but with the sign almost hidden until you're already in the wrong direction), lane markings are almost inexistant or gone etc. I almost never drive into Paris itself, and I when I can't avoid it that's late evenings or week-ends, when it's slightly more tolerable. Note that as soon as you go slightly out of the centre, it becomes better, it's really Paris (and the centre of other large cities) itself.
"Latitude" is to say that the further south you go, the worse the drivers are. Basically on the Côte d'Azur they drive like Italians. But while it's bad driving, it's less aggressive than the Parisian (or big cities) style. It's more... a careless disrespect of any kind of rules and a first-come-first-served mentality to driving. That makes it slightly more tolerable if you can slip into that mentality.
Oh and there is "altitude" as well: people in mountainous regions drive very fast. Mostly because they know the roads and know where they can pass you even though there is only a 5 cm gap between you and the cliff and apparently no visibility (except they know where the road goes so they've spotted the next stretch through the trees). But while these ones drive scarily fast, you'll be OK as long as you let them do their thing.
Nice (close to Monaco) combines both the big city and the latitude effect (with a bit of the altitude one as well), and has tiny streets and a poor street layout (due to being squeezed between sea and mountain). It's the worst city I ever drove into, beating even Paris.
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@Zecc Oh yeah definitely, the leftmost lane is BMW/Audi/Mercedes territory, with the occasional Porsche. The signaling problem isn't limited to them though.
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@topspin said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I mean, they're always working on something pretty much everywhere, so it'd be kind of redundant.
Also, Winter Is Coming, so in November they create a bazillion new construction sites that they won't even begin to start working on until next spring. Why? Because budgets bean counters Fuck You, that's why.Same here with the construction everywhere, that's why they have the map.
The winter thing, they used to do that here as well, but last winter the D1 highway (which is the one with the heaviest traffic because it joins three biggest cities in the country and most of it runs like a backbone through half the country) got unbelievably congested when it first started snowing and there was a huge media shitstorm about it, so this year they wrapped everything up before winter and they'll start again next year. I got to Prague without any problems or slowdowns, that hasn't happened in ages.
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@blek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
the leftmost lane is BMW/Audi/Mercedes territory, with the occasional Porsche
Everyone else needs to realise this and GTFO
